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Lawyer1
post Sep 23 2009, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 23 2009, 06:55 PM)
Lawyer1,

1)  You have to answer this yourself.  Do you keep enough outside of Malaysia??

2) Another reason to do this that is to protect your savings in case that RM collapse.

3)  Third reason is to hedge against foreign exchange for future education expenses.

    For example, you KNOW that your children will study in Australia.  So, every year, you transfer a bit of money to your Australia account.  So, instead of taking a HUGE RISK on the exchange rate between RM and Aussie Pound when your children need the money in Australia, you spread it out across many years.

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...dreamer,.. Thank you and you are right about the 3 points,... will give it some thought.

As for the transferring of money, well,... my strategy is slightly different : I intend to migrate there first at this moment, fnd a job there and start building-up my residency in the country-of-choice to earn my Citizenship. Then when my children grow up, I'll be able to enrol them into the U's and the tuition fees will be much cheaper compared to a foreign student's.

I assumed not many parents take this step, guessed I'm a contrarian in this respect,...
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post Sep 23 2009, 08:55 PM

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Ladies and Gentlemen, member of the press,

I am new here smile.gif
May I ask you all the following questions. As LYN has very vast pool ppl from all kind of backgrounds, so this is going to be a good pool of
information sharing.

I want to learn if my existing financial status and net worth is healty, lousy, etc.

So I want to share my info and hope you can share your info too. Please follow the format. At the end of the sharing, you can add your comment/advice.
Age: 28
Occupation: Service Engineer
Marital Status: Not Married but got gf.
Asset(s):

House (2 stories)-
RM220k Outstanding Loan: RM 98k  15 years more

Car (Japanese car)-
Market Value: RM 60k Outstanding Loan RM 45k 4 years more
Liability (ies):
Study loan: RM115k -borrowed from my uncle and he say when he need money will ask from me, any moment(cash)!
Parents, sorry ah pa and ah ma to call you all liability smile.gif

Insurance:
Life: RM20k

Investment:
Bond: RM20k
FD: RM 220k

Cash in hand
RM10k
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i strongly recommend u to refinance ur existing housing loan and get a flexi-mortgage (what i mean in this flexi mortgage is whatever amount u put extra will reduce interest payment, yet can withdraw anytime). Since FD u will only earn at max 2.5% while paying ur housing loan interest of BLR+1.00? or BLR-2.5%, you will still have to pay at least 0.5% more (BLR-2.5% - FD rate of 2.5%). at least same you few thousand bucks in a year!
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QUOTE(Lawyer1 @ Sep 23 2009, 08:35 PM)
...dreamer,.. Thank you and you are right about the 3 points,... will give it some thought.

As for the transferring of money, well,... my strategy is slightly different : I intend to migrate there first at this moment, fnd a job there and start building-up my residency in the country-of-choice to earn my Citizenship. Then when my children grow up, I'll be able to enrol them into the U's and the tuition fees will be much cheaper compared to a foreign student's.

I assumed not many parents take this step, guessed I'm a contrarian in this respect,...
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Lawyer1,

<<I intend to migrate there first at this moment, fnd a job there and start building-up my residency>>

Why?? You are WEALTHY enough.

A) For most country, you can invest / move enough money to qualify for residency.

B) You have ENOUGH MONEY that tuition is not issue for you anyhow.

C) How realistic is that you can find a DECENT JOB oversea?? It is SAFER and MORE LIKELY that you invest and retire over there.

Dreamer



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post Sep 23 2009, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 23 2009, 07:32 AM)
<<it's not all good when putting the money only outside of Malaysia.>>
Lawyer1,
Out of all your total assets, 3 millions is in Malaysia and 1.5 millions is outside of Malaysia.  So, do you feel safe having that much money in Malaysia?? That is the QUESTION that you have to answer yourself.
You are NOT aiming to make money out of those money.  Your GOAL is to keep them safe.  If the GOAL is to make money, there are better way.
<<compare Sgp's Maybank vs Malaysia's Public Bank (PBB). PBB will give you a higher rate.>>
Which is IRRELEVANT.  You have TOO MUCH money in Malaysia.  Your GOAL is to protect the VALUE of your savings to be affected by ONE country. You are in WEALTH PRESERVATION mode.  You have ENOUGH.  It is MORE IMPORTANT not to lose money than make money.
Making 10% out of your investment will not make a difference.  But, losing 30% to 50% of investment will make a difference.
SAFETY is MORE IMPORTANT than return.
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Dreamer, u r sending a very wrong message here, by encouraging people to channel out their money to overseas as much as they can, i really wonder if u r a true malaysian? if u hate the government and malaysia, why r u still living in this country? form your previous posts i guess u r very loaded and can live in other country comfortably.

You are sending the signal that we are going to have a World war III malaysian version, holding asset and cash in this country is unsafe and better run as quickly as possible to overseas and everybody if they can channel out all the money it will be better. DOn't you think your opinion is bias to those who still love this country and not rich enough to migrate to other country? Many ppl are still cant afford to pay their monthly utility bills, not to think about channel out their wealth out of the country......
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 23 2009, 10:30 PM)
Dreamer, u r sending a very wrong message here, by encouraging people to channel out their money to overseas as much as they can, i really wonder if u r a true malaysian? if u hate the government and malaysia, why r u still living in this country? form your previous posts i guess u r very loaded and can live in other country comfortably.

You are sending the signal that we are going to have a World war III malaysian version, holding asset and cash in this country is unsafe and better run as quickly as possible to overseas and everybody if they can channel out all the money it will be better. DOn't you think your opinion is bias to those who still love this country and not rich enough to migrate to other country? Many ppl are still cant afford to pay their monthly utility bills, not to think about channel out their wealth out of the country......
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cheahcw2003,

1) A TRUE Malaysian HATE what the government done and still doing to the country. So, are you a TRUE Malaysian?? Or, a government supporter??

2) Anybody that is WEALTHY enough should PROTECT their wealth from being destroyed any single country.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Sep 24 2009, 07:27 AM
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post Sep 24 2009, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Sep 22 2009, 11:30 AM)
hi guys,

i was thinking of a way to save money. i earn 2.4k a month and i just graduated on May this year. i was thinking of saving money with my current income and would like to invest if i got enough of money and i would like to know what kind of saving methods you guys are using. some forumers mentioned that save 15% of your gross income ( after EPF and other stuffs right? ) and use all the others?

for my current situation, my spending and expenses in a month written below,

Petrol = RM 350
Food = RM 400 (sometimes eat with gf and i spend it )
Utility bills = RM 450
Other expenses = RM 300 (Entertainment stuff and ETC)

all add up together and deduct from my gross income, i only have below RM 700 left. is this good enough?

come and share your methods and care to give me some advices? smile.gif

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guys, any comments of my monthly usage and savings?
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post Sep 24 2009, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Sep 24 2009, 09:18 AM)
guys, any comments of my monthly usage and savings?
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CrossFirE,

Gross income means salary/income before EPF and TAX and so on.

So, your GROSS INCOME is 2.4K. To survive, you need to save at least 10% to 15%. 15% = RM360 per month.

If you can consistently save RM700 per month, you can do better than only survive.

But, first thing that you need to do is to

A) Save 3 to 6 months of emergency fund.

B) Study and learn about investment before investing.

The second thing is to figure out how to go to the next level. Making 5K to 10K per month.

Dreamer
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post Sep 24 2009, 09:52 AM

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Hi there,

I am new at calculating my networth. So here goes. Advice appreciated.

I only have 1 source of income at the moment:
Income: Average 6.5k after tax/epf
Expenditure (per mth):
Rental + Utilities = 400
Meals = 600
Family = 1100
Car = 500

Assets:
House = 0
FD Emergency Money = 20k
FD Short term (waiting to put into investment) = 18k
Cash at hand = 5k (not inc some other cash notes I used to travel overseas)

Liability:
Car loan outstanding = 11k (inc all interest)
PTPTN outstanding = 24k (paying minimal rate at the moment)

I just graduated late last year and have a good 30 years in front of me. Any businessman love to share knowledge with this young man?
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post Sep 24 2009, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Sep 24 2009, 09:52 AM)
Hi there,

I am new at calculating my networth. So here goes. Advice appreciated.

I only have 1 source of income at the moment:
Income: Average 6.5k after tax/epf
Expenditure (per mth):
Rental + Utilities = 400
Meals = 600
Family = 1100
Car = 500

Assets:
House = 0
FD Emergency Money = 20k
FD Short term (waiting to put into investment) = 18k
Cash at hand = 5k (not inc some other cash notes I used to travel overseas)

Liability:
Car loan outstanding = 11k (inc all interest)
PTPTN outstanding = 24k (paying minimal rate at the moment)

I just graduated late last year and have a good 30 years in front of me. Any businessman love to share knowledge with this young man?
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kaiserwulf,

Your net worth is asset - liability = (20K + 18K + 5K) - (11K + 24K) = 43K - 35K = 8K

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 24 2009, 09:31 AM)
CrossFirE,

Gross income means salary/income before EPF and TAX and so on.

So, your GROSS INCOME is 2.4K.  To survive, you need to save at least 10% to 15%.  15% = RM360 per month.

If you can consistently save RM700 per month, you can do better than only survive.

But, first thing that you need to do is to

A) Save 3 to 6 months of emergency fund.

B) Study and learn about investment before investing.

The second thing is to figure out how to go to the next level.  Making 5K to 10K per month.

Dreamer
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for example, if i can save around RM 700 or RM 500 at least. i can use the additional money to buy things? as you said have to save at least 15%?
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 24 2009, 09:58 AM)
kaiserwulf,

Your net worth is asset - liability = (20K + 18K + 5K) - (11K + 24K) = 43K - 35K = 8K

Dreamer
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Then when I buy house.... cry.gif

So everyone is indebted to the banks la. No wonder some bankers I know is so rich.
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 24 2009, 07:20 AM)
cheahcw2003,

1) A TRUE Malaysian HATE what the government done and still doing  to the country.  So, are you a TRUE Malaysian?? Or, a government supporter??

2) Anybody that is WEALTHY enough should PROTECT their wealth from being destroyed any single country. 

Dreamer
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Everywhere else is the SAME. Which country has NO corruption?
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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Sep 24 2009, 10:19 AM)
Then when I buy house.... cry.gif

So everyone is indebted to the banks la. No wonder some bankers I know is so rich.
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kaiserwulf,

<<So everyone is indebted to the banks >>

Not true. There are TWO KINDS of people.

A) Those people that pays to the bank

B) Those people that bank pays them

I own bank. I make money from bank. I am not indebted to bank.

It is YOUR CHOICE to be in (A) or (B).

Dreamer


Added on September 24, 2009, 11:10 am
QUOTE(constant @ Sep 24 2009, 10:46 AM)
Everywhere else is the SAME. Which country has NO corruption?
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constant,

So, you have NO PROBLEM if Malaysia sink to the level of Indonesia and Malaysians have to migrate to oversea just to find a job??

Dreamer

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 24 2009, 11:06 AM)
kaiserwulf,

<<So everyone is indebted to the banks >>

Not true.  There are TWO KINDS of people.

A) Those people that pays to the bank

B) Those people that bank pays them

I own bank.  I make money from bank.  I am not indebted to bank.

It is YOUR CHOICE to be in (A) or (B).

Dreamer


Added on September 24, 2009, 11:10 am
constant,

So, you have NO PROBLEM if Malaysia sink to the level of Indonesia and Malaysians have to migrate to oversea just to find a job?? 

Dreamer
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how you own the bank?
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 23 2009, 09:35 PM)
Lawyer1,

<<I intend to migrate there first at this moment, fnd a job there and start building-up my residency>>

Why?? You are WEALTHY enough. 

A) For most country, you can invest / move enough money to qualify for residency.

B) You have ENOUGH MONEY that tuition is not issue for you anyhow.

C)  How realistic is that you can find a DECENT JOB oversea??  It is SAFER and MORE LIKELY that you invest and retire over there.

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Dreamer,... thank you again.

As for your replies on A) above, I have done some calculations,... yes, could be just enough,... but I will need to leave the money with the Gov't in question, for which I will lose out on the interest income,...

As for B), well,... if we can save on the tuition fees, why not, right ? Why spend if we can save, thus, though I'd earn myself a Citizevship to save on this. Is this a good move ?

As for C), I know it won't be easy (given my age), but if I make it, there will be many advantages, among which are my childrens' tuition fees and living expenses there will be cheaper in future, I will have a new life, I will be able to "escape" from Malaysia, etc, etc,..... It sort of ties in to my own aspirations too.

Anyway, I will have passive income from Malaysia to cover me when I moved over initially, and when I am still in the midst of building my life there. That's why I always emphasise on passive income, 'cos this is the element that will act as my insurance, no the active income. Sure, my company will still be running even though I am not physically in Malaysia, but I'm sure there will be slowdown.

I know of many people from India, China, etc who moved overseas without proper financial backup, and when they couldn't find a job there or couldn't find the job they wanted at the other side, they had to give up and return to their home country. In the same process, they had to give-up on fulfilling their PR conditions,.....

If a migrant has enough financial backup, then I am sure sooner or later, he will get a good job to sustain himself, and finally the family that he will be bringing along,.....

The above would be my opinions,......

Hmmm, I am still waiting for a reply from Geekin,... Thanks again to those who have replied,... you can PM me too if you have any matters.

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QUOTE(noed18 @ Sep 23 2009, 04:24 PM)
this may sound simple trivia question to some, but still interested to know.

In Malaysia, I heard that foreign income below certain threshold is not taxable under company operating profit. Does the same applies if you earn based on personal foreign income? i.e. dividends and rentals from oversea investments.

Somewhere along the line, you will have to be considered as 'tax residents' even if you are not their actual resident, if you earn substantial amount. But that is based on employment only or applicable to general investment income also?

roughly what is the threshold for our neighbor countries, e.g. Singapore, Australia?
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Malaysia taxation system is based on income derived within the territory of Malaysia.

If you are a non tax resident and you spend less than 60days in Malaysia, the income derived within Malaysia is not considered as income, hence not taxable.

If you are a tax resident and the income derived outside the territory of Malaysia, the income is considered as remittance, hence not taxable. But then you would have been taxed in the corresponding country, hence it is not an gain per se. It is just to avoid double taxation.

I good scenario perhaps if you receive your income from tax free country (Bermudas, Cayman Island anyone) and remit them to Malaysia. Then maybe you will be able to avoid tax.

Xuzen

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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Sep 24 2009, 11:15 AM)
how you own the bank?
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Sep 24 2009, 10:08 AM)
for example, if i can save around RM 700 or RM 500 at least. i can use the additional money to buy things? as you said have to save at least 15%?
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To all,

i don't think that saving is the best way.
instead of saving why not earning more money.
to me earning is much easier than saving.
try to earn more by doing part time.
eg. business, investment and so on.
i'm currently doing a investment and doing quite well.

Dare to dream everyone.
When your dream is big then you will look all the matters are very small.


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QUOTE(St. Jimmy @ Sep 24 2009, 02:04 PM)
Dare to dream everyone.
When your dream is big then you will look all the matters are very small.
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QUOTE(St. Jimmy @ Sep 24 2009, 02:04 PM)
To all,

i don't think that saving is the best way.
instead of saving why not earning more money.
to me earning is much easier than saving.
try to earn more by doing part time.
eg. business, investment and so on.
i'm currently doing a investment and doing quite well.

Dare to dream everyone.
When your dream is big then you will look all the matters are very small.
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What is your retirement plan if you're not saving? hmm.gif


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