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post Sep 22 2009, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 20 2009, 09:56 PM)

Lawyer1,

<<Foreign Currency FD>>

If it is in Malaysia, it is STILL not oversea.  At your level of wealth, I will be more comfortable opening an account in Singapore and keep the money there.  IMHO, foreign currency FD in Malaysia is NOT a good deal.  At your level of wealth, you could have just open an account in that country.  You can start at Singapore.  Then, you could either diversify to HK or Australia.
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I invest ALL OVER the world and multiple asset classes: Stock, Bond, REIT.  Search on "dreamer" to get all my posts and detail

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No, I invested directly in the country concerned and yes, in Sgp,... have been doing so for many years, started during the currency control years (Malaysia).

But would like to share some points here though, 'cos, it's not all good when putting the money only outside of Malaysia. Why ?

1) If you put directly in the country concerned, you get taxed quite heavily by the gov't of that country... say, 10% on your FD interest in Australia, and 4.5% in NZ (and that is if you have enrolled for that special savings scheme, (can't remember the name,... 'cos I registered for it sometime back and just left the money there), otherwise, the Kiwi gov't also whack 10% off your interest.

Alternatively, if you put in Malaysia or Sgp, the tax is zero,...

2) If you put in an FCFD (Foreign Currency Fixed Deposit) in Sgp, the interest is lower compared to if you put in an FCFD in Sgp, of course muct compare apple to apple-lah,... same currency and same tenure/duration.

Check it out for yourself - compare Sgp's Maybank vs Malaysia's Public Bank (PBB). PBB will give you a higher rate.


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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 22 2009, 12:03 PM)
If RM 700 is the surplus, it is a very good start. Start regular savings ASAP and defer big ticket spending. You have enough for your current level of commitment, but you do not have enough to take on big debts e.g. car or house.

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i not sure yet about the surplus because when i count it, there are something that might deduct my surplus every month. for example, my office parking monthly ticket, i have to pay advance 3 months and it cost me RM 189 and other stuffs like taking car to service, buying groceries and others maybe.

yeah. i have to admit that i can't buy house or new car but if i got at least RM 500 as savings. what can i do with it? invest in FD after save to RM 10k? and for sure that i know i will buy my own gadgets and i think it is a very difficult part for me now to save money.

maybe in the future when i earn more, i will save more?
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Sep 22 2009, 12:35 PM)
i not sure yet about the surplus because when i count it, there are something that might deduct my surplus every month. for example, my office parking monthly ticket, i have to pay advance 3 months and it cost me RM 189 and other stuffs like taking car to service, buying groceries and others maybe.

yeah. i have to admit that i can't buy house or new car but if i got at least RM 500 as savings. what can i do with it? invest in FD after save to RM 10k? and for sure that i know i will buy my own gadgets and i think it is a very difficult part for me now to save money.

maybe in the future when i earn more, i will save more?
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If you have RM 500 per month surplus, you can make a standing instruction with your bank to put the amount every month into a savings vehicle like a mutual funds. Which mutual funds to invest in, you talk to a Unit Trust Consultant of your choice.

If you want to buy the gadgets, separate it from what you desire from what you require. Desire vs necessity. When you are clear about its objective, it makes it easier to choose whether to buy or not.

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Monsieur Geekin, thank you for your comments,... I must say your comments are pretty unique and I reasured them very much,... thank you again. My counter-comments in Red :-

QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ Sep 21 2009, 10:12 PM)
Ok here's my comments:

1) Haven't filed your annual taxes or filed it in good faith to LHDN.

Well, I am a lawyer, I will refrain from twisting this statement too much, after all, we are not in court. I practise Tax Avoidance, I have been vetted by the IRB previously and they have found that my ways are legal. The net result is I have more money in my hands because I do not need to contribute too much to the KWSP and I do not need to pay too much tax.

A reason why I set-up my own proprietorship is because I get to manage (and control) the taxes on my own. I have a theory whereby if an individual is able to do this, there is much financial profit to gain. Tax Avoidance is legal, if done properly, but Tax Evasion is ILLEGAL. There is a difference between the two, albeit the line is very fine.

On the KWSP, I am of the opinion that I can do better in my passive investments than earning the 4% to 6% from the KWSP every year. Hence, it's better that I hold the money myself and invest myself.


2) You forgot one important asset.  The value of your company.

Yes, you are right - the value of my company.

In the world of stocks investment, this parameter is called PB - Price-to-Book Value. No, I have not totally forgotten, but I consciously choose to ignore this because to me, the company is a source of Active Income, and we have to work for this income. My focus today is on Passive Income - whereby I am trying to find ways to make money without working, but letting the money work for us to make more money.

After all, when I settle down in future in a foreign country, the source of passive Income will play a very important role before I find a stable job, or get involved in a stable income-generating activity.


3) If you just move funds to and from company account to personal account, as you need, without accountability tracking, it's bad for company books, and shows lack of financial management at the company level.

It does not matter to me if my company books are bad, after all, it's a sole proprietorship, and I am not accountable to any external auditor. Neither do I have any partner, shareholder or independant director. I do not intend to turn it into a PLC, so I do not need to build a resume of good corporate governance. So long as I select my clients carefully and do not get into any bad dealings, my assets will not be jeopardised.

I have another theory here : building a Sdn Bhd or Pte Ltd is a lot of hassles, and the costs and expenses incurred are truly not necessary if we have the proper tactics and plans in-place. The purpose of a business is to make money with the minimum risk and hassles - so if these 2 objectives can be achieved, why not just set-up a sole proprietorship ?


4) Great investment portfolio.  KWSP savings is low based on annual income at early 40's, meaning pretty low self declared monthly salary all this time.

Thank you,... Second sentence can be replied to as in point 1) above.

I'm also a business man in my 30's, with my own Sdn Bhd, and our financial management principals for our companies differ significantly.  Company generates net profit of RM1.7-2+ mil each year and annual turnover of Rm 8-10mil.  I know exactly how much my company cash balances and personal balances are thanks to bank statements and financial software!

Great to hear your good income,.... You have good control over your business, but I believed there are more than one way of running a business. One way is your way (which many people use) and another way is my way (don't know how many people use this),... I intend to find a third way when I have migrated overseas.

One more thing : sometimes I feel bored doing the same thing day in and day out, and my friends tell me that I do not know how to improvise and find new things or new ways of doing the business. Then I feel bored trying to improvise new ways of doing the business.

So, guessed the only way is to migrate overseas and find other work/things to do. This is also in-sync with where my Passive Income kicks in : to have money without working at all.


Please counter-comment to my points above, Sir,... I do indeed find the comments coming from someone of your background very valuable,....

....let me know if you needed my advice too,.....
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QUOTE(Lawyer1 @ Sep 22 2009, 12:59 PM)
3) If you just move funds to and from company account to personal account, as you need, without accountability tracking, it's bad for company books, and shows lack of financial management at the company level.

It does not matter to me if my company books are bad, after all, it's a sole proprietorship, and I am not accountable to any external auditor. Neither do I have any partner, shareholder or independant director. I do not intend to turn it into a PLC, so I do not need to build a resume of good corporate governance. So long as I select my clients carefully and do not get into any bad dealings, my assets will not be jeopardised.

I have another theory here : building a Sdn Bhd or Pte Ltd is a lot of hassles, and the costs and expenses incurred are truly not necessary if we have the proper tactics and plans in-place. The purpose of a business is to make money with the minimum risk and hassles - so if these 2 objectives can be achieved, why not just set-up a sole proprietorship ?


....let me know if you needed my advice too,.....
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3) Once business size become bigger, it is always advisable to be Sdn. Bhd. to limit your liabilities, that's why we often see sole proprietorship in small scale, once become bigger, all turn to be sdn bhd. But I have no knowledge whether lawyer firm can be register as sdn bhd or not to run.
Sole-proprietorship is cheaper and easier, but it is treated as personal wealth, while for Sdn. Bhd. company and individual asset is separated out.

Because when business become bigger sometimes, not everything can be totally controlled, nor you can have every insight of the deal done one by one. So to limit the potential liabilities like your company made mistake and need to pay compensation, at least it will only affect the company, not your personal asset.

Joking aside,
Your advice do cost or not?
Every appoitment with lawyer and advice from lawyer is counted per hour basic. tongue.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 22 2009, 12:54 PM)
If you have RM 500 per month surplus, you can make a standing instruction with your bank to put the amount every month into a savings vehicle like a mutual funds. Which mutual funds to invest in, you talk to a Unit Trust Consultant of your choice.

If you want to buy the gadgets, separate it from what you desire from what you require. Desire vs necessity. When you are clear about its objective, it makes it easier to choose whether to buy or not.

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ic.. so it is desire versus necessity then. i know what i want but sometimes there are always temptations to buy things. tongue.gif

Unit Trust eh? but i really dont understand how unit trust works. is it the same with FD? i heard that unit trust is a investment of long term but it has higher risk and higher return profit compare to FD right?
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Sep 22 2009, 05:05 PM)
ic.. so it is desire versus necessity then. i know what i want but sometimes there are always temptations to buy things. tongue.gif
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You know what they say, Expenditure = Income - Saving tongue.gif Not the other way round...

If you have left over money after your monthly expenditure & saving, you can use it on your temptations....
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QUOTE(Joink @ Sep 22 2009, 09:36 PM)
You know what they say, Expenditure = Income - Saving  tongue.gif Not the other way round...

If you have left over money after your monthly expenditure & saving, you can use it on your temptations....
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if only the temptations > my objectives or target but for now i think there is nothing that can drift away from my target,

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The biggest risk in the world is not taking any risk, everyone agree?

1)Putting money under the pillow or milo tin, exposed to fire risk and inflation risk but get away from bank bankruptcy.
2)Putting money in FD worry of bank bankruptcy and not able to hedge against inflation risk.
3)Putting money in the equity,forex,commodities,futures,options,property will expose to many risk, higher than putting in the pilow or milo tin, if u get high return and you can be self-made millionairs. Will you stop after making millions?

For each sectors of business there must be a strategy to reduce their risk compare with the competitors, therefore they remain in the business because they know how to avoid it and remain in the business. Or they have failed but they bounce back stronger and make a sucess in their life. I believe if we have faith and belief in ourself, we are already a successful person.

@Lawyer1
Since you have a good portfolio, do you consider yourself at the stage of financial freedom? Do you still have the feeling of unsecured since you are at top(for me atleast you are on the top)? You have the wealth, do you have the health? Can I have a cup of coffee with you?

@CrossFirE
Unit Trust=Mutual Fund(equity Market,bond market,money market, all in one)
Some people would say it not good, some would say it is very good. People who lose the money will say it is not a good investment, people who make the money wil ltell you very good.
Investment is just like your own business, if you take care of it, you will know how good is it, but if you ignore it and let it up and downs, you might become someone that tells it is not good, but if u reduce the risk and know when to cut loss, perhaps you are better than others. There is no right or wrong in the world, in the end you are the one that decide.
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QUOTE(Lawyer1 @ Sep 18 2009, 10:44 PM)
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QUOTE(Lawyer1 @ Sep 22 2009, 12:07 PM)
No, I invested directly in the country concerned and yes, in Sgp,... have been doing so for many years, started during the currency control years (Malaysia).

But would like to share some points here though, 'cos, it's not all good when putting the money only outside of Malaysia. Why ?

1) If you put directly in the country concerned, you get taxed quite heavily by the gov't of that country... say, 10% on your FD interest in Australia, and 4.5% in NZ (and that is if you have enrolled for that special savings scheme, (can't remember the name,... 'cos I registered for it sometime back and just left the money there), otherwise, the Kiwi gov't also whack 10% off your interest.

Alternatively, if you put in Malaysia or Sgp, the tax is zero,...

2) If you put in an FCFD (Foreign Currency Fixed Deposit) in Sgp, the interest is lower compared to if you put in an FCFD in Sgp, of course muct compare apple to apple-lah,... same currency and same tenure/duration.

Check it out for yourself - compare Sgp's Maybank vs Malaysia's Public Bank (PBB). PBB will give you a higher rate.
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<<it's not all good when putting the money only outside of Malaysia.>>

Lawyer1,

Out of all your total assets, 3 millions is in Malaysia and 1.5 millions is outside of Malaysia.

So, do you feel safe having that much money in Malaysia?? That is the QUESTION that you have to answer yourself.

<< 1) If you put directly in the country concerned, you get taxed quite heavily by the gov't of that country... say, 10% on your FD interest in Australia, and 4.5% in NZ >>

Which is IRRELEVANT... You are NOT aiming to make money out of those money. Your GOAL is to keep them safe. If the GOAL is to make money, there are better way.

<<compare Sgp's Maybank vs Malaysia's Public Bank (PBB). PBB will give you a higher rate.>>

Which is IRRELEVANT. You have TOO MUCH money in Malaysia. Your GOAL is to protect the VALUE of your savings to be affected by ONE country.

You are in WEALTH PRESERVATION mode. You have ENOUGH. It is MORE IMPORTANT not to lose money than make money.

Making 10% out of your investment will not make a difference. But, losing 30% to 50% of investment will make a difference.

SAFETY is MORE IMPORTANT than return.

Dreamer


Added on September 23, 2009, 7:34 am
QUOTE(Eng Hua @ Sep 23 2009, 03:51 AM)
The biggest risk in the world is not taking any risk, everyone agree?


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Eng Hua,

No. The BIGGEST risk in the world is STUPIDITY. Aka, not knowing and invest in stuff that you have NO IDEA what it is.

A fool and his money soon parted!!

Dreamer

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 22 2009, 02:58 PM)
3) Once business size become bigger, it is always advisable to be Sdn. Bhd. to limit your liabilities, that's why we often see sole proprietorship in small scale, once become bigger, all turn to be sdn bhd. But I have no knowledge whether lawyer firm can be register as sdn bhd or not to run.
Sole-proprietorship is cheaper and easier, but it is treated as personal wealth, while for Sdn. Bhd. company and individual asset is separated out.

Because when business become bigger sometimes, not everything can be totally controlled, nor you can have every insight of the deal done one by one. So to limit the potential liabilities like your company made mistake and need to pay compensation, at least it will only affect the company, not your personal asset.

Joking aside,
Your advice do cost or not?
Every appoitment with lawyer and advice from lawyer is counted per hour basic.  tongue.gif  laugh.gif
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Yes, a law firm can also become an SB. I believed when there are many partners, and when there are many decision-makers who make critical decisions in a business entity, then that entity needs to be an SB. Otherwise, if most decisions, or at least the critical ones need to bounce across myself, I believed not necessary to be an SB.

An SB means to spend more in terms of time, money and effort to cover against risks of making wrong decisions, right ?

Oh yes, one more advantage to be an SB : can get bank loans easier than than a sole proprietorship. But I don't need anymore bank loans,... so okay-lah,....

Just PM me-lah, no cost,... my replies will be straight to the point and be as useful as possible,.. however, sometimes time may limit my capability to reply to all, but I will do my best. In the past, I have helped people for free, maybe what I get in return is a makan and friendship-lah,....
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 23 2009, 07:32 AM)
<<it's not all good when putting the money only outside of Malaysia.>>

Lawyer1,

Out of all your total assets, 3 millions is in Malaysia and 1.5 millions is outside of Malaysia. 

So, do you feel safe having that much money in Malaysia??  That is the QUESTION that you have to answer yourself.

<< 1) If you put directly in the country concerned, you get taxed quite heavily by the gov't of that country... say, 10% on your FD interest in Australia, and 4.5% in NZ >>

Which is IRRELEVANT... You are NOT aiming to make money out of those money.  Your GOAL is to keep them safe.  If the GOAL is to make money, there are better way.

<<compare Sgp's Maybank vs Malaysia's Public Bank (PBB). PBB will give you a higher rate.>>

Which is IRRELEVANT.  You have TOO MUCH money in Malaysia.  Your GOAL is to protect the VALUE of your savings to be affected by ONE country.

You are in WEALTH PRESERVATION mode.  You have ENOUGH.  It is MORE IMPORTANT not to lose money than make money.

Making 10% out of your investment will not make a difference.  But, losing 30% to 50% of investment will make a difference.

SAFETY is MORE IMPORTANT than return.

Dreamer
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Dreamer,... thank you for the insights and the focus - Wealth Preservation,....

Put it this way : if I am to worry about the amount of money I have in MY, then there is too much to worry about,... don;t forget I have a company too which does not have liabilities (no loans whatsoever), has quite a sizeable customer base and PB value.

So, add-up all I have in MY, how to change-over to Sgp or other countries ?

Can't do much-lah about all these, so for me : just go day-by-day and look forward to working in another country, say Canada. ... New life, new things, no more boredom,....

And then start building another base there and when children study there in future also cheaper-lah,....

What do you all think of my plans ? thumbup.gif Good or not ???
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QUOTE(Lawyer1 @ Sep 23 2009, 11:22 AM)
Yes, a law firm can also become an SB. I believed when there are many partners, and when there are many decision-makers who make critical decisions in a business entity, then that entity needs to be an SB. Otherwise, if most decisions, or at least the critical ones need to bounce across myself, I believed not necessary to be an SB.

An SB means to spend more in terms of time, money and effort to cover against risks of making wrong decisions, right ?

Oh yes, one more advantage to be an SB : can get bank loans easier than than a sole proprietorship. But I don't need anymore bank loans,... so okay-lah,....

Just PM me-lah, no cost,... my replies will be straight to the point and be as useful as possible,.. however, sometimes time may limit my capability to reply to all, but I will do my best. In the past, I have helped people for free, maybe what I get in return is a makan and friendship-lah,....
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SB means extra cost for hiring secretarial and accounting service, other than that, little different (don't see there is need for extra effort, just cost side only), but at least in SB whatever done is in more systematic way.

SB can have tax advantage as well, as individual max tax bracket is higher than company tax.

Since above is not applicable to your case, so it makes little difference to your case. smile.gif

Glad to have another expert's advice service here. notworthy.gif
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He he he,

Lawyer 1 may want to seek specialist help to put some of his money in tax-free haven such as Cayman Island, The Bermudas etc.

The financial planning company that I hire to do my personal finance does these to their High Net Worth Clients.

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QUOTE(Eng Hua @ Sep 23 2009, 03:51 AM)
The biggest risk in the world is not taking any risk, everyone agree?

1)Putting money under the pillow or milo tin, exposed to fire risk and inflation risk but get away from bank bankruptcy.
2)Putting money in FD worry of bank bankruptcy and not able to hedge against inflation risk.
3)Putting money in the equity,forex,commodities,futures,options,property will expose to many risk, higher than putting in the pilow or milo tin, if u get high return and you can be self-made millionairs. Will you stop after making millions?

For each sectors of business there must be a strategy to reduce their risk compare with the competitors, therefore they remain in the business because they know how to avoid it and remain in the business. Or they have failed but they bounce back stronger and make a sucess in their life. I believe if we have faith and belief in ourself, we are already a successful person.

@Lawyer1
Since you have a good portfolio, do you consider yourself at the stage of financial freedom? Do you still have the feeling of unsecured since you are at top(for me atleast you are on the top)? You have the wealth, do you have the health? Can I have a cup of coffee with you?
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Eng Hua,... thank you for your comments,.... quite unique too, I must say,... and my replies :-

1_ Yes, somehow, I still have the feeling of insecurity,... what if the money I have is not enough to sustain me if, say, my business goes bunkers : this is in fact one of my major insecurities.

2_ My health is okay,.... used to exercise a lot when I was young but now became lazy. Don't smoke that much (stopped for sometime now), don't drink that much too. Guessed I am quite okay on the health side. Thank God.

3_ Sure, when time permits,....am a bit tied-up these few months : I am currently doing a crash course on a foreign language, in preparation for working in another country.

Would appreciate if you have more replies,.... thank you.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 23 2009, 12:33 PM)
He he he,

Lawyer 1 may want to seek specialist help to put some of his money in tax-free haven such as Cayman Island, The Bermudas etc.

The financial planning company that I hire to do my personal finance does these to their High Net Worth Clients.

Xuzen
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Xusen,... thank you. I think I can manage my own money-lah,... no need to pay someone to manage it, after all, it is, well,.... not really a lot,.. right ?
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Xusen,... thank you. I think I can manage my own money-lah,... no need to pay someone to manage it, after all, it is, well,.... not really a lot,.. right ?
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Ha ha ha, I used to sucketh when I try to manage my money. But after paying some money to these professionals, I learned a lot from them as well. Many of the information I presented here I ciplak a little bit from them and from some of the Finance books I read from.

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this may sound simple trivia question to some, but still interested to know.

In Malaysia, I heard that foreign income below certain threshold is not taxable under company operating profit. Does the same applies if you earn based on personal foreign income? i.e. dividends and rentals from oversea investments.

Somewhere along the line, you will have to be considered as 'tax residents' even if you are not their actual resident, if you earn substantial amount. But that is based on employment only or applicable to general investment income also?

roughly what is the threshold for our neighbor countries, e.g. Singapore, Australia?
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QUOTE(noed18 @ Sep 23 2009, 04:24 PM)
this may sound simple trivia question to some, but still interested to know.

In Malaysia, I heard that foreign income below certain threshold is not taxable under company operating profit. Does the same applies if you earn based on personal foreign income? i.e. dividends and rentals from oversea investments.

Somewhere along the line, you will have to be considered as 'tax residents' even if you are not their actual resident, if you earn substantial amount. But that is based on employment only or applicable to general investment income also?

roughly what is the threshold for our neighbor countries, e.g. Singapore, Australia?
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Tax residency is based on time spent in Malaysia and not based on amount you earned. In a nutshell, tax resident has more advantages compared to non tax resident.

To compute tax residency status is quite complicated and best left to those tax people to do it. (I get a headache when I read the Tax law concerning tax residency).

Tax is based on recurring income (income derived from employment and also dividends etc), income from capital gain are not taxable (example profit from selling equities, real estate)

As long you are a tax resident in M'sia you must declare you income in M'sia irrespective of where you derived your income. (Not so clear on this part, may have to refer to my income tax book later tonight... get back to you)

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QUOTE(Lawyer1 @ Sep 23 2009, 11:32 AM)
Dreamer,... thank you for the insights and the focus - Wealth Preservation,....

Put it this way : if I am to worry about the amount of money I have in MY, then there is too much to worry about,... don;t forget I have a company too which does not have liabilities (no loans whatsoever), has quite a sizeable customer base and PB value.

So, add-up all I have in MY, how to change-over to Sgp or other countries ?

Can't do much-lah about all these, so for me : just go day-by-day and look forward to working in another country, say Canada. ... New life, new things, no more boredom,....

And then start building another base there and when children study there in future also cheaper-lah,....

What do you all think of my plans ?  thumbup.gif Good or not ???
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Lawyer1,

1) You have to answer this yourself. Do you keep enough outside of Malaysia??

2) Another reason to do this that is to protect your savings in case that RM collapse.

3) Third reason is to hedge against foreign exchange for future education expenses.

For example, you KNOW that your children will study in Australia. So, every year, you transfer a bit of money to your Australia account. So, instead of taking a HUGE RISK on the exchange rate between RM and Aussie Pound when your children need the money in Australia, you spread it out across many years.

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