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 No Show on first day of work after get the offer, Do we need to pay back?? Help :(

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depster666
post Sep 9 2009, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(dantwt @ Sep 9 2009, 12:37 PM)
Well done for the opinions and comments guys. Really appreciate your inputs as i can get a clearer picture now.

It does make sense for joining Co. B first. After all, its still a reputable MNC in the semiconductor industry. Not worried about "job hopping" label since i have told myself not to indicate any work experience for jobs less than 6mths.

Nevertheless, I will be going all out for the interview with Co. C tomoro (wish me luck!)

@LeechFever, depster666, Joey Christensen, cwilliamc
Thanks again and will update the outcome of the interview tomoro.

Another question:
Once LO or CoS is being issued to employee, and the employee pen his/her signature down, Does this means that the Employee and Employer does NOT have the right to retract the offer made back? (Legally, of course)
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Only sign the LO on your 1st day with Co. B.
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post Sep 9 2009, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(depster666 @ Sep 9 2009, 03:27 PM)
Only sign the LO on your 1st day with Co. B.
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No you do not do that unless agreed upon. Must see situation or else you may get terminated for other favorable candidate.
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post Sep 10 2009, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(LeechFever @ Sep 9 2009, 03:37 PM)
No you do not do that unless agreed upon. Must see situation or else you may get terminated for other favorable candidate.
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Agreed. From my previous experience, all employer requires the new hire to return the LO within 7 days (as stated in the LO itself regarding the validity of the offer).

Thus, other option will be to ask for extension in reporting date a.k.a. employer needs to prepare new LO w/ newly agreed date. True? Is it advisable to do so?

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QUOTE(dantwt @ Sep 10 2009, 09:01 AM)
Agreed. From my previous experience, all employer requires the new hire to return the LO within 7 days (as stated in the LO itself regarding the validity of the offer).

Thus, other option will be to ask for extension in reporting date a.k.a. employer needs to prepare new LO w/ newly agreed date. True? Is it advisable to do so?
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Yes you can do that provided you have good reason for it. For example you need to complete certain work in your soon to be ex-company before leaving so you may need more time, etc (but under certain condition, better to think of a good excuse than "I got another offer from other company so can wait?" type of excuse). But that depends if the employer agreed to it or not. If not, bad luck.

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Joey Christensen
post Sep 10 2009, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(Ken @ Sep 9 2009, 03:20 PM)
the problem is they want the job ... so they wont think of those clause that time when signing the offer letter ...
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Hence stupidity pays.

Regards, Joey


Added on September 10, 2009, 9:36 am
QUOTE(dantwt @ Sep 10 2009, 09:01 AM)
Agreed. From my previous experience, all employer requires the new hire to return the LO within 7 days (as stated in the LO itself regarding the validity of the offer).

Thus, other option will be to ask for extension in reporting date a.k.a. employer needs to prepare new LO w/ newly agreed date. True? Is it advisable to do so?
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Possible. Provided you come off with a smart reason. No "My pet dog just died yesterday" reason should be told. Your turn to call the bets.

Regards, Joey

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post Sep 10 2009, 09:59 AM

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i m having the same dilemma.... signed A , but offer higher a bit pay ...hahha


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post Sep 10 2009, 10:04 AM

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What would you like to propose then?

Regards, Joey
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post Sep 13 2009, 09:38 PM

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the offer letter is just an offer not a contract, the company also not loss anything?! actually how the company spread the news to other company ? i wonder ....
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post Sep 14 2009, 10:05 AM

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Simple. Words of mouth, phone calls, authoritative boards, etc.

Regards, Joey
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post Sep 14 2009, 11:21 AM

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the hr gonna call one by one to other companies HR ? other companies HR so free to asnwer call or listen to the rumors. are you work as HR ? are you heard other hr report to you such case before?
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post Sep 14 2009, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(sharenchin @ Sep 14 2009, 11:21 AM)
the hr gonna call one by one to other companies HR ? other companies HR so free to asnwer call or listen to the rumors. are you work as HR ? are you heard other hr report to you such case before?
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Depending on industries and whether ur HR so 'eng' or not to even bother to do that. Have u not heard of HR nowadays (probably in US since the survey probably done there) take a peek at facebook to see what their employee(or future employee) is saying about them? In O&G especially, network (between colleagues, personal doctors, strangers) is important to determine future work place, investment and potential clients. So it's not that surprising.
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QUOTE(sharenchin @ Sep 14 2009, 11:21 AM)
the hr gonna call one by one to other companies HR ? other companies HR so free to asnwer call or listen to the rumors. are you work as HR ? are you heard other hr report to you such case before?
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Yes. Duh! Through reference(s) made available.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Are you that naive, kitty girl? Oh ya! I need not to hear from others as I was an HR Generalist before and I knew that years ago. Do you want to know more about HRM dirty tactics? Wake up and smell the brew of a coffee.

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post Sep 14 2009, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(sharenchin @ Sep 14 2009, 11:21 AM)
the hr gonna call one by one to other companies HR ? other companies HR so free to asnwer call or listen to the rumors. are you work as HR ? are you heard other hr report to you such case before?
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Just to wake u up.

Before I joined Accenture,

I got an email, from an Australian company saying that they have been authorized on behalf of Accenture to conduct a background check

Where they called up the hr department of my company , talked to my immediate superior.

So yes.. they do give a shit,

if my hr department said, i was a lousy worker, do you really think ill be working in accenture right now ? o_O

There are 100 applicants. 99 of them, hr department said they are good, but for u, ur hr department said some negative things about u, rumour or not, why would a company hire u, who was a risk, when there are 99 others. =D

Not like you have such unique skill set that the company would die without .

Just my 2 cents.
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Some HR do investigate potential candidates...

sometimes they even investigate why u leave your previous company... is it just because of better salary or u've done something wrong b4
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QUOTE(Toriton @ Sep 14 2009, 12:47 PM)
Some HR do investigate potential candidates...

sometimes they even investigate why u leave your previous company... is it just because of better salary or u've done something wrong b4
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Sometimes need not to do any checking. The words coming out of your mouth is justifiable for the interviewer to know. Body languages, articulation of words, way of replying, the feedbacks, all these are key indicators. It's not tasking to call your previous company to have a little "chatting" with your previous employer to know you "better".

Regards, Joey


Added on September 14, 2009, 1:15 pm
QUOTE(omnimech @ Sep 14 2009, 12:43 PM)
I got an email, from an Australian company saying that they have been authorized on behalf of Accenture to conduct a background check
They were professional/courteous to inform you about the check. Some do it (behind our back) without acknowledging you in the first place.

Regards, Joey

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post Sep 25 2009, 01:57 PM

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Alright guys & girls,

Reviving this thread to update on my status/situation (if u're lost, refer to page#2).

Went for the interview with Co. C and everything went smoothly; showed me around with their product Hall of Fame. I tink I managed to convince them that I'm a worthy employee. They couldn't give me a specific date on when the results will be known.

At the same time, signed offer with Co. B, returned the copy of LO to HRD. Tender resignation to Co. A also (with 1 mth notice period).

A week after the interview with Co. C, the HR rep called me for an offer. I accepted without hesitation as it is where i want to continue my career path.

Now I'd have to call up Co. B to tell them I have to reject their offer and won't be able to report in. (Maybe anyone here can suggest a professional speech in such situation??)

All in all, I'm so relieved I am offered my dream position/job in Co. C (eventhough they are known to restructure certain departments from time to time).

Last but not least, Thanks and kudos to all who contributed in advice and constructive comments!! *cheers*
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QUOTE(PsyCHZZZ @ Sep 7 2009, 12:00 PM)
If you have signed the agreement with the clause stated as such; then that binds you to a contract that you understand and fully agree to the terms. Thus, there's no such thing of calling it as unfair (unless in certain conditions where the clause is totally bollocks and illegal - then you have an argument).

Rather than just not showing; why not settle it nice and professionally by notifying them in writing and offering your apologies or regrets on the sudden change in decision?

To say that it's not fair for such a clause to be imposed on a new employee's contract wouldn't sound too convincing as companies also put a lot of effort and money as well in setting up job advertisement, arranging for interviews and making preparations for new staffs.
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Currently experienced a similar situation.

I had signed the offer letter but changed my mind to stay on the current company. There is a clause in the offer letter that 1 month salary compensation will be needed in the case candidate unable to report on duty.

My current company HR advised me to talk to the new company HR diplomatically if it possible to waive the compensation, else they will ask for my offer letter and will help me to 'settle' it with their HR.

But I'm curious how they gonna 'settle' it? Did this kind of practice normal for HR?

Thanks.
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what's the longest any of you have had to wait for a letter of offer? MNC.

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