When the Falcon revision was released, M$ claimed that the 3ROD was resolved.

I can still remember forumers going crazy and excited about it, saying "Wait for Falcon! no more 3rod ! weeeee"

But as you can see, Falcon and Elite models are still getting it.
Hence, it would be safe not to put all your hopes into the Jasper revision as well. Smaller die may mean less heat, but it certainly does not guarantee no 3ROD.

There have been many *many* cases of Falcon's 3rod-ing
I'm pretty sure many members here can vouch for that too.

To say those bashers made your life miserable hehe..., well, i want to see u post ur thought when u get 3RROD with ur falcon set. (not that i'm cursing u to get 3RROD ). Some people r frustrated....don't blame them. Take a look at garage sales...see how many spare parts selling around. U don't see this in PS3. (IMHO, the blue ray problem the repairer told u is the only problem exists in PS3)

Those repairers might be true but since falcon x360 came out, MS already extended the warranty to cover it i think? The repairers might not get a "chance" to repair them.

Now I'm looking at both x360 and ps3. (PS3's games r generally more expensive and requires new monitor ) I really like x360 but 3RROD is really preventing me to buy it, until someone who can convince me the falcon is good enough.

is there much cases of falcon set with 3rod?

hahahah boring with cars redi,so falcon set is most likely wont have 3rod,but the chances are there izit,looks like i will have to wait for jasper to be out then can play xbox with ease of mind.

Go wave? Because I was testing your powersupply and all i got 3rod    because my vga cable was lose. But I tried playing with it and I had no problem. I tested it with gears of war
Valhalla won't have 3rod ( if really does work    ) because they are going to change the motherboard because the CPU and GPU are combine. So the design of the motherboard have changed

new technology eh? well the truth to me is, new technology or not, Microsoft better solve this issue, or not my shop will be full of dead xbox 360 again!

They have to if not it's a pointless to invest on something that in the end will give you 3rod back.

No fool will invest millions of $$$ researching in something which in the end will give the same result.

Still to early to tell,

But I do have one Falcon coming in as 3 ROD

so no choice have to put it at 1 Percent first

Is your job is biz field?

Let's use life cycle costing. When the product mature, new design will need to take place in order to boost the sale. at the same time it's also cutting cost. At this stage, your cost should be already low while your sales are still constant.

When it starts to decline, the new design will come it to boost the sale in order to cover up the cost left which already inccured in the project.

Since the jasper set is shrinking the CPU & GPU to 65nm which will lower their cost. But valhala it's a new type which combine CPU and GPU. They first had to incurred cost in order to reasearch the design cost for the motherboard and whether they will solve 3rod. 2ndly the will still need to incurred cost to do research on th market whether customer will still want to but their new type of design.

Since it's new design, I doubt it will be cheap in the 1st place because it's a new technology and you are ahead in the market.

Overall, they still need to look at customer POV. a redesign in a product it's always to boost sale and to cover up cost. The only way by making the sale higher it's solving the 3rod issue which every customer POV wants.

I agree. But for M$, they still look into biz prospective. Refer to Life Cycle costing, Learning curve effect, and target costing.

In order to develop this 2 chip combine together, they still need to do research. This reasearch cost is a fix cost and a initial cost. Once the product starts to mature, learning cuve effect has been fully taken place which iswhy their cost have been gone down. And before then end of product, design cost to reduce the cost even more and boost sale in order to cover up the whole total life of the product cost.

My design cost means not only design but all other cost. Design cost in manfacturing biz field comprise a lot of cost in oder to find a way to attract customer to buy and reduce cost even more. So hope you get what i mean by design cost.

But when the product is introduce, a lot of cost have to be inccured in order just to boost sale. Thats why before the end of the life of product, MS had to cover up all the initial cost of the project. So by even researching into the CPU and GPU combine, they have to over up this cost which is a lot of cost just to cover up in this short period of time.

The problem that MS had 3rod because they forgot to do TQM ( total quality management ). They wanted to beat Sony on order to capture a larger market share. Then when Sony PS3 comes in, MS had already have a larger standing ground in the market. For Japanese, TQM has always been the priority ( tqm was invented by japanese anyway ), that's why Ps3 had no such thing as 3rod problem. But i'm not saying that PS3 is perfet.

So hope to clarify my few points.

So guys.... back to my earlier post... Is it normal to get a mild shoc when you touch around the HDD area of the xbox360 console??? The truth is when i used an electrical test pen, the light went on....

hm.. it does looks like is a heatsink for the CPU and GPU die together ?

but it looks nice

just a reminder for you. don't put back your casing. leave it open.

and standby having the hair dryer.

sooner or later you going to do it again and again and again.

Laugh Out Loud Indeed. But just curious that a hair dryer will work cause the heat actually not enough to heat the cold soldering point to make contact with the motherboard die.

Hi all

My xbox 360 has just broken down 

Last time,it was hit by a 3rod and I sent it for repairs at Fun Way Holiday Plaza JB.

After a few weeks of playing,my xbox 360 suddenly has something wrong with it.

When I switched on my xbox,the green glowing light on the right came out as usual,but no picture or sound came out on the TV.

I'm not sure if this is 3rod as the 3 red lights did not come out.

Can anyone tell me whats wrong with it 

thx all 

Some ppl say its overheated and wrap a wet towel around it will solve the problem .. izzit true ?