uh? sure or not? drogba red card brought over to next season champion league (which into group stage).

oh really? i tot when they r not playin in next game the card will be cleared. no wonder they are done some silly mistakes to get double yellow.

Time to clear up the facts.
It will be brought over to the 2nd round. It will be cleared from quarterfinal stage onwards.
What Xabi and Ramos did effectively means they will be available for both the 2nd round legs and whatever yellows they pick up there will be cleared as well after that, provided we progress of course.

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Added on November 25, 2010, 7:30 pmWe needed to secure top spot so we started with a strong team. Both Xabi and Ramos got yellows during the match and it was then that it was decided that it was better for them to take the 2nd yellows. 3 yellow cards = 1 match suspension. It's abit ridiculous if you ask me since you're looking at a period of 8 matches.

This post has been edited by verx: Nov 25 2010, 07:30 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/9229485.stm

they already got a yellow ...

so yesterday they got a yellow during the match early on, then smart jose ask them to get another yellow, means become red ...

so they are banned for the last match and going into the knock up stage with no card ...

seems rumors are true.. DAMN!!

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions...ated-following-

Lol what a farce. We ain't the first team to do this and we sure as hell won't be the last. I think the most they'll do is fine us.

u wrong. the cards will not wipe clean for last 6 stage.

BTW, Mourinho tried to manipulate the loophole. its just a question of sportsmanship and IMO its a very good plan.

if im not mistaken, Benitez-Kuyt did almost the similar things few years ago in CL, and they're not be punish.

I remember a certain David Beckham doing it for England and then going on to proclaim how smart he is but I certainly don't recall Dirk Kuyt doing it.

My 2 cents either way.

Sure, rules can be exploited. When I was in Australia, they gave away handphones with contracts meaning you paid nothing up front. Malaysians then went on to buy these phones a month before leaving the country, meaning they got them for free. They then proceed to sell them here. Also, phones there were insured and Asians in particular would file fake lost claims, and be compensated with a free phone. Needless to say, they sold the former when they went home to their respective countries. Is this right or wrong? There was a loophole in the system, sure but when the system fails, it's down to our morals to keeps us in check.

Back to the incident. In the spirit of sportsmanship (my interpretation of it anyway), it was wrong. It was however a wise thing to do given the circumstances but I have to agree with the commentator who was absolutely livid. It was unsportsmanlike. Just my opinion. As Verx says however, you won't be the last team to do it.

for this incident, is because there is 'photo proof' jose talking to the players before the players red carded ...

thats why uefa only start a case ...

im not bother to search it through Google.

but if my memory serve me right, Ajax/PSV vs Liverpool in QF/Last 16 stage of CL. Liverpool lead by 3-0 or something. Kuyt already have 1 yellow on his record. so he deliberately foul opponents (i dont know what kind of foul or offence) to get another yellow card in order to to get a suspension for 2nd leg.

there's a discussion on media but this antic arent so obvious like Ramos-Alonso-Mourinho. and also the suspension take place on a match which is also important (2nd leg), arguable coz Liverpool had comfortable lead, not like Real's next match which is group's dead rubber. Kuyt gone without additional suspension.

Beckham's case are different cause he foolishly describe it on his biography. he broken his rib or something, keep playing, and deliberately foul opponent cause he know he'll be out /rest for next games. i dont remember exactly the consequences, but he and Blatter (?) go apologies publicly. nothing about additional suspension.

Apples and oranges Duke. Unlike the example you cited we have not hurt anyone in doing what we did except for maybe making UEFA look like fools. No crime was comitted like your example. Unsportsmanlike? The players are still going to be suspended for a game even if it is a deadwood one. Players pick up intentional yellows all the time. Should FIFA and UEFA charge every single one of them for unsporting conduct then? It's ridiculous in my book given that there are far worse unsporting behaviors going on the pitch. Diving for example.

Let me ask you Duke if the players got sent off by going late into a tackle or by tugging at shirts would you still say its unsportsmanlike since its less conspicuous?

These UEFA old dogs just wanna make an example riding on Mourinho's fame.
The action is taken for political reason than for justice.

verx, don't you see the current case same like what happen to blackpool ?

the premier league start a case after blackpool field 10 changes to a game ....

just so ridiculous ...

How is that even comparable?
The premier league has a rule regarding fielding weakened teams. UEFA has no rule regarding picking up intentional yellows

I see nothing wrong in what Real do here. It's wrong, morally. But then so is Gerrard's starfish moments, and there's plenty of them. And unlike Gerrard's actions which influence results of games(penalty, free kicks which lead to goals, yellow/red card(s) to opposition's players), the actions that Real players took there didn't influence the match at stake at all. It's about being smart.

to me.. this is happen bcoz.. both ramos and xabi was booked the same way.. it will less suspicious if they are tackle someone, but it will lead to injury to person tackled.. mourinho chose the light way instead of hard way.. nothing wrong with that, but after pressure from maybe others, UEFA have to take some actions..

anyway.. hopefully, they just fine both of our lads..

This post has been edited by sprix: Nov 26 2010, 12:27 PM

It's no different to what players do when they get angry. They know whatever challenge they're going to attempt will get them carded, but they still did it anyways.

I didnt think it went as far as the players themselves finding to get a booking. I mean its not like the game was on the line anyways... Real was 4-0 up .. they didn't like use a hand of anything stupidly blatant like a dangerous tackle on anyone.. if anything.. the ref was the one who made the decision to give out them yellows

agreed... that why mourinho sayin that the card was unnecessary.. coz we lead them buy 4-0..

btw, mourinho just acting to be furious.. hahaha.. in his heath.. he is like.. "LOL.. my plan work like a charm"