@ NYSE, if one is not able to short, one can actually buy a BEAR market share.

A bear share is not shorting but moves up when the market goes down.

The bear share moves in inverse direction of the underlying index of the bull share.
Say if the market is down, bull share is down 2%, the bear share will rise 2%.
So, if you're bearish and can't borrow shares to short, you can buy the bear share.
The inverse is also true, if the market is up, bull share goes up, bear share will go down.

If you're short term trader and 'goreng' type, these are for you.

Of course, unfortunately these kind of trading instruments are not available @ KLSE.

This post has been edited by danmooncake: Aug 22 2009, 11:32 AM

So basically there is not chance for us to be on the "bear" side right @ KLSE?

Cherroy did point out that the "put" warrant is like a "bear" side type is available but there is a premium for it.
Or you play "regulated short" on certain type of stocks which are available.


When the NYSE market tumbles down during the recession, those on the bearish side will gain like crazy. But I don't seem to see that. Or is it everybody only looks for the bull.


Yes, when NYSE tumbles big time last year and in March, those Bearish side POP big time.
Those people who shorted Financials, Real Estates, Commodities got super rich.

But during the bull run, bear side hurt a lot.

To play both side, one must know how to jump on the moving train at the right time.
If bull run, jump north ride up.. if bear, jump south and ride down.



lets say I go to genting and gamble on "Tai Sai" table. You can either bet on "big" or "small". But in stock market it seems like everyone is aiming for the "big" @ the bull but not the "small" @ bear. I really wonder why no one plays the bear side. hmm.. It is like we are force to choose the "big" side, isn't it? Hmm...maybe I'm confuse

LOL! I know what you mean. But, the govt will view that as gambling.. not investing. They don't want you to hurt yourself.

Ride the bear.. if you believe the stocks has topped and about the make the turn.

That's what I thinking now on some of the US stocks.. we ran up so much.. I'm expecting pullback already as earnings and those "less bad" news are subsiding. The fundamentals are weak (ie. the consumer demand for products and services).