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Philosophy Creativity, Are we seriously losing it?

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jiaxun
post Aug 20 2009, 08:09 AM

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Actually, we can't really compare the creativity between an individual from 60s-70s and an individual from 90s-00s

My made my statement like such because of it's totally two different world.

No offense Dreamer, but I'm sure you have heard of these:
"One that can do well in the exam doesn't mean he/she is smart, he/she might just be hardworking."
"Smart doesn't mean hardworking."
"Hardworking doesn't mean smart."

The same theory goes to Dreamer, you might be able to work your ass out to finish your college but doesn't mean you are smart or creative, though it can't be deniable that you are hardworking.

You might ask me what is it gotta do with creativity?
"Lazy person doesn't mean he/she is not creative."

What I want to say is, Dreamer blames that kids nowadays have been spoonfed, everything prepared for them etc. But this doesn't mean that they are not creative. They didn't show their creativity not because they don't have any, it's just that they don't have to.

Most of the time, when a kid speaks out his/her ideas, parents will just say "just study don't think too much". So in this case, should we blame the parents as well? As we know, almost 100% parents want their kids to just study to get good result, then can get into good schools, good universities etc.
So, why can this happen? BECAUSE people nowadays only think about "MONEY" therefore doesn't want to expand their mindset, or think creatively. Hence, kids actually cannot present their ideas out until they can work their way out.

Parents last time doesn't stop their kids from thinking creatively, because they only have this mindset "I hope they grow healthily and can help me run my farm/business, entering college/university or not is another word". That is why you, Dreamer, think that people from your generation are generally more creative than kids nowadays.

@Dreamer, I hope you are a parent too and get the message I want to send here.

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post Aug 20 2009, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 20 2009, 08:36 AM)
Bingo.  So, how do you know that they have CREATIVITY?? Or, do you think that creative thinking does not need practice?
We don't know it. That's why we cannot judge it BEFORE we know whether they are truly creative or not. Give them the benefit of the doubt maybe?


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Why does it ONLY has to do with IDEA?? How about how people do their work??
Creativity starts from idea. Let's say last time people think "how to save our energy in traveling from one place to another?", then came out the bicycle. Everything starts from idea.


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That is my WHOLE point.  Parents are RESPONSIBLE for spoiling their children.
The world is changing fast man... People changing to money-centered. You can't blame them either. Perhaps you will understand more when you've become parent, you want the best for your kids, you want them to be comfortable without worrying about the money and want them to study until they get at least a degree.


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And, that is NECESSARY but INSUFFICIENT for their children survival.
Why not enough for survival? World now is all about qualification. If they doesn't even have a proper cert, how are they going to compete in this highly competitive society? Unless you want them to become farmer, which they don't even have to go to primary to become one.


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You STILL do not get IT.  My parent does not have the LUXURY of protecting me from the environment.  For example, if I do not work while I go to college, I do not finish college.  I have to help with family business from young age.  It is NOT a choice.  I either do that or starve.
The PROBLEM now is parent do TOO MUCH.  Aka, they spoiled the children.  Hence, they limited the children growth and capability.
I GOT it. That's why I said the world now is different from yours. You learned how to survive the HARD WAY, that's why the parents now don't want their kids to SUFFER, they want them to have a BETTER life. If I let you choose, will you choose the HARD way or the COMFORTABLE way now like almost every kids having?

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Show me how can that be TRUE??  A creative person do things to show their creativity.  A creative person is CURIOUS.  A creative person do things differently just to see how it turns out.  So, how does this translate into a lazy person??
Why not? They might be lazy in doing things but doesn't mean they are lazy in thinking. Although they thought of it they just don't work it out, makes them only have CREATIVE MIND but not action. Still, we don't know the exact situation until 10-20 years later when they've grown up.
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post Aug 20 2009, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 20 2009, 11:25 AM)
How do you know they THINK at all??
Then how do you know they didn't think at all? As I said, give them the BOD.


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By that time, they have a HABIT of doing NOTHING.  It will be TOO LATE to change.
It's never too late to change as long as they change. Unless they die before they change, that we can call too late.


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I am a parent. I want the BEST for my children.  I want my children to SURVIVE.  Hence, I want them to worry about money.  I want them to know how to manage money.  My son knows how to play and win Cash Flow 101 since 12 years old.
So you are saying by playing Cash Flow 101 can makes them worry about money? Games will stay as games when they don't involve REAL money. Ask them to play with real money and I will say they are managing money. Even if they use the real money, it will be money from you, the parents, not the real hard earn money from themselves.


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How long have you worked??  I have 20+ years of working experience.
You have more experience in working more than I do. But is it that WORKING EXPERIENCE the only criteria in assessing someone's thinking?

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post Aug 20 2009, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 20 2009, 07:15 PM)
jiaxun,

<<Then how do you know they didn't think at all? As I said, give them the BOD.>>

We (uncles and aunties) had sponsored many of our nephews and nieces to USA for college over the past 10 years.  We had seen enough examples and first hand knowledge to know that they do not think.

<<It's never too late to change as long as they change. Unless they die before they change, that we can call too late.>>

Only a young person will say that.  But, time and resources are limited.  One of our nephew was TOO LAZY.  Even after 5 years, he cannot even finished first year college in USA.  So, we sent him back.  He lost his chance.

<<So you are saying by playing Cash Flow 101 can makes them worry about money? Games will stay as games when they don't involve REAL money. Ask them to play with real money and I will say they are managing money. Even if they use the real money, it will be money from you, the parents, not the real hard earn money from themselves.>>

So, what have your parent done to teach you about money??

<<You have more experience in working more than I do. But is it that WORKING EXPERIENCE the only criteria in assessing someone's thinking?>>

No.  But, it shows how much exposure that you have and the level of thinking that you are now.

For example,  if you have ENOUGH exposure to ENOUGH people, you will not say

"It's never too late to change as long as they change."

Dreamer
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In this case, you left me no choice. I will have to blame it on your kindness in sending your nieces and nephews to US. You spoiled your own nieces and nephews. If that is the case, who are you to judge whether the younger generation still having their creativity?

Also, more working experience doesn't mean you've met more people in your life. Even if you've met a lot of people in your life, does this mean that everyone you've met before has an impact on you? The answer is definitely NO. So, no matter how many people you've met, as long as they has no impact on you, how can you count it as EXPOSURE? In this sense, you failed to realise this.

Dreamer, parents like you are the one spoiling the kids, making Malaysia such a country whereby almost everyone is afraid to speak out for their rights/ideas which ended up our fate controlled by politicians, not the fate of politicians controlled by us.


QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 20 2009, 10:14 PM)
Ey! We need to relax a little here. It might be just me, but the statements sound rather angry of late.
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You know, sometime it's very seductive for one to post in this kind of serious thread which ended up one blaming another, one penalising another, one scolding another etc. I think I better be stingy and keep my 2 cents in my pocket.

 

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