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post Aug 16 2009, 05:16 PM, updated 17y ago

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1g of it can power USA for one full day. and list goes on.

what exactly is this?

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post Aug 16 2009, 05:29 PM

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Do you have any references? If so, it would be a good thing for you to post them in here. smile.gif

AFAIK, if my memory serves me well, there are also conceptual prototype spacecrafts on the drawing board being powered by Anti Matter engines... (With the potential of travelling faster than the speed of light...)
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post Aug 16 2009, 07:20 PM

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only if they have innovated a contraption so advance to contain it.
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post Aug 16 2009, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(99chan @ Aug 16 2009, 07:20 PM)
only if they have innovated a contraption so advance to contain it.
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I thought we already had it?

Those long tunnel should be able rite.
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post Aug 16 2009, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(balthauser @ Aug 16 2009, 07:23 PM)
I thought we already had it?

Those long tunnel should be able rite.
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you mean the hadron collider? it smashes atoms into smaller particles, whilst creating tiny anti matters. but it is not made to contain it.
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post Aug 16 2009, 08:06 PM

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Problem is we have no natural source of antimatter in abundance to produce energy, and whatever antimatter we can produce in particle accelerators require more energy input to producing it than we'll ever get out of it from annihilating it.

So no, it's not a 'source'. It is however, a very useful energy transport mechanism which will probably be extremely useful for interstellar travel, whenever that happens.
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post Aug 16 2009, 10:23 PM

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Which means that can be a super duper battery that can power a space ship for inter-galactic travel.

I can imagine 1000 years from now human building planetary collider on moon or somewhere nearer to sun to mass produce antimatter charge.

But when something that is so massively powerful, that could be a two edge sword, 1 gram of it can power the entire USA for 1 day, or it can be used to make something deadly like radiation free nuke.

Just a thought.
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post Aug 16 2009, 10:27 PM

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How would antimatter could be a power source?
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post Aug 16 2009, 11:06 PM

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instead of the big leap. why not accentuate on nuclear power? nuclear powered car and so on.
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post Aug 16 2009, 11:25 PM

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This anti matter is not stable and cannot appear under normal atmospheric condition....even if it can be mass produced, its gonna involve huge cost to sustain the anti matter in a specially designed chamber with controlled condition....
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post Aug 16 2009, 11:52 PM

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well, every great creation/innovation is definitely expensive and usually 'custom-made' at first. but the ball of technology never stops rolling. things get mass-produced and eventually they became a norm in our daily life. what happened to mainframes? gigantic mobile phones? given enough time and effort im sure what we r able to harness is beyond our imagination
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post Aug 16 2009, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(99chan @ Aug 16 2009, 11:06 PM)
instead of the big leap. why not accentuate on nuclear power? nuclear powered car and so on.
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Nuclear cars?

A nuclear explosion would happen in an accident and you'll get mini Chernobyl everywhere then.

It's not feasible.
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post Aug 17 2009, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Aug 16 2009, 10:23 PM)
Which means that can be a super duper battery that can power a space ship for inter-galactic travel.

I can imagine 1000 years from now human building planetary collider on moon or somewhere nearer to sun to mass produce antimatter charge.

But when something that is so massively powerful, that could be a two edge sword, 1 gram of it can power the entire USA for 1 day, or it can be used to make something deadly like radiation free nuke.

Just a thought.
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Actually no, most of the energy released in matter-antimatter collisions will be in the form of gamma rays instead, which isn't the easiest thing to convert to 'useful energy'

The reason why antimatter is an extremely good energy transportation system is because almost all (if not all) the mass in antimatter is converted to energy when you collide it with matter. This is unlike nuclear fusion/fission reactions, where only a very small percentage of mass is converted to energy.

And no, particle accelerators are an extremely inefficient method of producing antimatter. If we were to ever mass produce antimatter, we'd probably need a new method of production which probably hasn't been devised yet so far.

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 16 2009, 11:56 PM)
Nuclear cars?

A nuclear explosion would happen in an accident and you'll get mini Chernobyl everywhere then.

It's not feasible.
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Haha...mini leakage everywhere in town....more hiroshima effects in the future....
For alternative energy in car, technology like Hybrid cars are emerging nowadays....
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This technology is not confirm yet and i am really curious about it. Heard this from the novel of Angel and Demon. The LHC suffer a breakdown since end of last year when trying to turn on. CERN confirmed that they will only launch it at half power when it ready on end of this year. If the process go smooth, by latest end of 2010 we will have result on the antimatter.

As for how the antimatter power up city. It is similar with the nuclear plan which allow nuclear fussion in a chamber and transfer the heat to liquid( if i am not wrong water) to steam turbine and generate electricity. In this case, just replace the nuclear material with anti-matter. And the great point is, it is zero-emission power plant. That means zero pollution and 100% environmental friendly.

Correct me if i am wrong.. since i am just a Engineering student. Cheers

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post Aug 17 2009, 03:15 PM

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You can't contain anti-matter, not with our current level of technology. Matter and anti-matter will mutually annihilate each other, so even if we can detect, and indeed create, anti-matter, keeping it stable isn't possible. 99chan has already mentioned this and i thought I'd just elaborate for those who don't know what anti-matter really is.
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FYI anti matter can be created but to make a little of that takes a very very long time.
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post Aug 17 2009, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Aug 17 2009, 03:15 PM)
You can't contain anti-matter, not with our current level of technology. Matter and anti-matter will mutually annihilate each other, so even if we can detect, and indeed create, anti-matter, keeping it stable isn't possible. 99chan has already mentioned this and i thought I'd just elaborate for those who don't know what anti-matter really is.
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No we can contain antimatter right now in 'magnetic bottles'

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This technology is not confirm yet and i am really curious about it. Heard this from the novel of Angel and Demon. The LHC suffer a breakdown since end of last year when trying to turn on. CERN confirmed that they will only launch it at half power when it ready on end of this year. If the process go smooth, by latest end of 2010 we will have result on the antimatter.

As for how the antimatter power up city. It is similar with the nuclear plan which allow nuclear fussion in a chamber and transfer the heat to liquid( if i am not wrong water) to steam turbine and generate electricity. In this case, just replace the nuclear material with anti-matter. And the great point is, it is zero-emission power plant. That means zero pollution and 100% environmental friendly.

By what do you mean by 'confirmed'?

And no, unless a method is devised to convert gamma rays efficiently to 'useful forms of energy' I suspect it's going to remain a pipe dream at best for now. You can't just replace the nuclear fuel in today's power plants with antimatter and hope it'll work. Also, we have to produce the antimatter in the first place, which requires energy to produce it in the first place, or find some source of it which doesn't produce negligible amounts of antimatter (such as positron emission radioactive material that we have now)
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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Aug 16 2009, 05:29 PM)
AFAIK, if my memory serves me well, there are also conceptual prototype spacecrafts on the drawing board being powered by Anti Matter engines... (With the potential of travelling faster than the speed of light...)
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Nope, faster than light travel would involve the use of hypothetical particles called tachyons to facilitate some kind of travel, all highly speculative stuff.
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post Aug 25 2009, 10:48 PM

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faster than light? thats time travel. but what does it mean?
say, if A is travelling at 4 X 10^10 m/s, A is travelling back in time?what abt its surroundings?

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