Firstly, I would like to apologize if this topic is considered taboo, and as I didnt find a pinned rules for this section I will try to be as appropriate as I can.


Since birth, we humans (or most humans in the civilized parts of the world) have been made to wear clothes. When I was little I would regularly strip off my clothes and run around the house (I'm sure lots of kids do that), and for that I usually got appropriate scolding from my guardians. This lead me to wonder why putting on clothes was something so important?

Well, now that I'm older, I understand that putting on clothes keeps us warm, some clothes protect us from harm, and others.. are just for covering ourselves. I understand the keeping us warm and protecting us from harm part, but I still fail to grasp why we clothe ourselves just to cover up?

If you still do not get what I mean, let me put it in a more conventional way.. if we stay in a warm place, and there isnt anything in the environment to that can harm us, why cant we walk around naked? If possible I would like to like to leave religion out of the picture, as I would like to discuss reasons that go beyond rules and laws, I would like to know why humans in their own nature cover themselves.

Usually the things we try and cover up/hide are the things we find unpleasant, ugly, vulgar and shameful. So does that imply that we find our own bodies unpleasant, ugly, vulgar and shameful as well? Or is it because we want to look good? Or could it be because we feel vulnerable when naked? I would like to know your personal views on this.

Also, laws have been put in place to restrict a human being from walking around naked. What are your thoughts on those laws.

Haha, i could think of 1 reason. Erection. lulz!! Feel kinda weird if walking around with my stick "waking up".

P.S
For me, i hv a fragile skin. Havent find out whats the problem is. My skin would turn tomato red immediately with a soft slap on it >.< Even when i use my palm slap on the door softly, u can see the effect right away. So i guess im wearing clothes to protect my lovely unique skin.

what nonsense



humans started wearing clothings in stone age because they slowly stared to feel "shy"... Once any species feels that way, they are getting "civilized" already.

An interesting answer. Could you elaborate further on the statement you just made.

"Once any species starts feeling "shy", they are getting "civilized" "

Also it wasnt very nice to flame the previous poster, as I did ask for personal views on the matter. ^^

Clothes reflects who we are in the society. Yes it may sound deceiving but at the same time wouldnt it gave confidence to the party himself and others aswell? for instance business person?

In response to the law, naked i assume is fully undress so it would be unpleasent sight seeing for others on the street. Just imagine in a crowded place and u have a naked guy standing in the center, what come across ur mind? Does he ( the naked person) has the right to sue u if u 'accidentally' touches his genitals. Or if the situation where a naked lady and others taking advantage of it? Can the others have the defence of consent by her?

Clothes has became a necessity. No doubt.

@shakes86:
Nice point made.
"clothes relects who we are in the society"
Even in ancient cultures the high ranking individuals (priest and shamans for example) would adorn themselves in a much more than a regular individual. So would it be wrong to assume from your statement that humans cover themselves to look/feel more in-control/superior (or to try not to seem inferior to other individuals)?

Regarding your second statement, I would like to put forth a question. You stated that "it would be an unpleasant sight seeing someone naked". Why is that so? Why do we humans feel uneasy when seeing a naked person in public? Are we not all the same? Feeling uneasy looking at another human in a state of undress but being fine looking at yourself or your loved ones, I would like to find out why that is so.

You can't leave religion out of the picture because the reason why people wear clothes have a lot to do with religion. Over time, it has become a core feature in human culture all over the world.

One important thing about clothes is they are worn not so much to cover up the body even though being naked is not something widely accepted now. Normally when you wear clothes, your thoughts are not "Ok I've got to cover myself up." it's more likely to be "Am I going to look good in this?". It more about shaping our image. Clothes in every culture have much more of a symbolic rather than practical function. If you've ever read about some famous Amazon tribe which I can't recall now, you know that they wear various pieces of cloth an ornaments on their body. However it doesn't function to protect them at all. Their feet which is by far exposed to the most abuse if not covered by a single thread.

Feeling uneasy when you see someone naked has much more to do with conforming to social norms rather than nakedness being repulsive on it's own. If people were truly appalled by nudity, you think they'd enjoy sex that much? You just feel uneasy when you seeing someone naked if it's a public affair. Do you feel uneasy if you're alone and there's a picture of a naked person on you're computer screen? What happens if unexpected you friend barges and and see what's on your screen?

This post has been edited by mumeichan: Aug 14 2009, 09:27 PM

Nice topic.

Not all people wear clothes for their status, if you are not going to wear tie and long sleeves, you will still certainly put on some T-shirt.

And I don't think those sexy clothes has anything to do with keeping warm etc. Its like opposite sex attraction, same purpose as you put on cologne or hair gel. Which is a result of our cloth wearing civilization.

And then, let's think further, when we remove our clothes, its usually mean private time, either for bathroom time or sex. So seeing people naked will give us impression of sexual harassment, and hence we have a law to prevent people from getting naked.

Think again, if our culture is dress up with tie and suit when having sex, people might feel sexual harassed if you wear suit in the open.

It will be very awkward.

Allow me to tell you all an old story.

Picture 5 monkeys placed in a cage. From the ceiling of the cage hangs a bunch of bananas. A stepladder is placed under the bananas. As the first eager monkey rushes up the ladder, a firehose knocks him off and hoses down all the monekys. Shocked, they sit back and regroup. Later another monkey tries, with the same result. It make take repeated attempts by each monkey before they become conditioned to not climb the ladder. Then one new monkey is added to the group. He spies the bananas and leaps onto the ladder, only to be dragged down and beaten by the rest of the group. After several attempts, the new monkey learns.

So even if we remove the firehose, climbing the ladder to get the banana will remain as a taboo for those monkeys.

Just like you are well dressed up in a nude beach. People will think that you are the weirdo.

This post has been edited by rexis: Aug 14 2009, 09:38 PM

one word- evolution.

do monkeys need clothes? gorillas dont either. as we all know, human beings are bestowed upon great intelligence and all sorts of emotions, thus making us more intellectually advantaged over other animals. i daresay our prehistoric ancestors wore very lil clothes due to the fact that we could stand the cold environment, at the same time theres a sense of embarrassment. as evolution ensued, humanbeings got more 'civilised' , began to develop and create skills and techniques to add a touch of luxury to life. Hence the dawn of more variety of clothes to provide warmth and status

a very interesting topic indeed.

now those who spoke of cover-up being civilized, are we truly civilized? what is our definition of civilized?

there are many decent individuals out there who appreciate nudity in art form, could they be linked to be uncivilized?

my thought is that clothings are generally (through human history) for both practical and non-practical purpose. and from one implementation, it evolved some less coverage become more, others more coverage become less.

too add humor to this discussion.............



when it comes to the evolving mindset of humans, even the degree of acceptance of how clothings should be worn varies based on so many factors.

let's take for example, a lady going around in spaghetti-straps and being braless. in some places, this is common in some countries while others could have the lady labelled as slutty, among many other bad words.

basically how far we're offended also depends on our beliefs, how we look at things in life but generally a well-figured nude person is accepted better than those that are not.

it's very hard to exclude religion out of this matter. as said, different religion preaches us to do differently in this world.

and it's culture too. different culture showing different expression and reaction. like what goldfries said, a lady with spaghetti strap and braless, imagine she's walking in NYC, or UK, comparing with she's walking in KL city.

mumeichan



keeseng12



@mumeichan & keeseng12:
When I started this topic, I stated that I would have liked to leave religion out of the picture. But that was only because I was looking to restrict religious replies like "because the bible says so". I too find that religion played a significant role in why we cover up. So feel free to include religion in your statement.

Forgive me if I step on unwelcome territory here.. but on the matter of religion playing a vital role in how we clothe ourselves, why would the creator who made us to look the way we are, require us to cover ourselves up? On the other hand, if religion was the crafts of human-kind, why would we want other human beings to cover up? Human beings have a naturally lustful nature, and could it be that instead of being ashamed about our body, humans are actually ashamed of their lust? And so they cover themselves to hide it?

I have to say I agree with memeichan's second statement that clothes "have more of a symbolic rather than practical function", but why is that so? Is it because the human body is lacking a natural way of presenting its superiority over another human being? Thats where C-Note's reply comes in..


C-Note



According to C-Note evolution has caused us to adorn ourselves with more and more clothing items, but why? Lions have their manes to show superiority and status, rams have their horns, deers have their antlers, others show superiority and status through size and power or age. But we humans had to resort in such a fake way of showing our status.. clothes. Well maybe except for women, who still have a little ancient instinct left to feel inferior to someone with a larger bust. And I guess men too still have some ancient instinct left and feel inferior to another who has a larger/longer dingdong.

So maybe instead of clothing being a way to show status, it has become a means to equalize the status of all human beings. Instead of being "born" superior (physically), humans have to work hard to earn "clothing" to raise their status. Interesting..


rexis


@rexis:
True, not all people wear clothes for status, so then why wear clothes in the first place? It is quite true that we cover up because that is the norm in our society, but why did it become that way in your opinion? Who or what is the firehose that caused society to make being naked a taboo?


goldfries



@goldfries:
Very true indeed, why would we consider wearing clothes to be more civilized than being in the nude. Also, if we construct a clothing timeline (very like the picture posted), we would get something like this...


nude > cover major genitalia > cover major genitalia as well as top for females > full covering > full covering + extra outer covering > less inner covering + outer covering > less inner covering + less outer covering > and maybe in the near future full nude again.

Does that mean that humans have evolved and then undergone de-evolution? Also I find your last statement rather interesting. It is quite true that we would be very much less offended if a well-figured nude person is seen rather than if we saw those who are not so well-figured. I wonder why it is so. Are we actually offended but feel less offended because we find a well-figured person more "sexually attractive"?

talking about ladies clothing. (well, men too) - it went like what you mentioned, in my own words, it's from nudity, partial coverage, full coverage to the max super kau kau until cannot breath (think Victorian, corsets, high hair that can't pass toll booth, basically taking a lot of effort and usually more than 1 person to dress a person up) and going less and less and less (walk around and it's common to see hot girls in shorts and spaghetti strap. )

so if clothing represents being civilized, we actually went to the pinnacle of being civilized and now retrogressing.

it's like putting Angelina Jolie nude vs Roseanne Barr nude vs Margaret Thatcher nude.

i'm sure you guys can visualize that, no need pictars. stopping at the first one would probably give you an erection, or if not something that probes your curiosity. going further could leave the mentally unprepared with a possible nightmare.

perhaps it's there's the nature in human where we naturally know what is nice. perhaps it is what is set by the media / general acceptance?

i don't know, those are just thoughts. looking at paintings from the past, you'll see that nude characters were often portrait in proportion which by today's standard is called FAT, or if not CHUBBY.

but why was it drawn? surely it was because of people's appreciation, the general perception (and appreciation, and acceptance) that time was different.

while this has nothing to do with clothing per se, it has relevance from the view point of acceptance, which I think is possibly relevant to the amount of coverage that we see transpired through the course of humanity.

*pardon my lengthy post, I'm not quite sure if anyone would understand what I'm blabbering about either. *

@TS

"Regarding your second statement, I would like to put forth a question. You stated that "it would be an unpleasant sight seeing someone naked". Why is that so? Why do we humans feel uneasy when seeing a naked person in public? Are we not all the same? Feeling uneasy looking at another human in a state of undress but being fine looking at yourself or your loved ones, I would like to find out why that is so."

Unpleasant sight would adopt in limited target gropus, for example children of opposite sex. Children would think y are they so different of wat we have instances like different genitals or even having "hair' (i dun knw wat is da approriate word for bulu, sry for dat =x) ? Then again are society REALLY prepare for sex education? and towards what extend of sexuall knowledge are we talking about or just enlightend in area of safe sex precautions?

Next,I would disagree that we are the same. Instances like certain rare circumstances man with 3 nipples? Or perhaps if that person had bruises all over which he wanted to hides it. Clothes come to play in this role which helps to mask from others naked eye. Yes, call it shame but we dont need to tell the whole world who we are. Dont u agree?

Looking at ur lovers naked is a totally whole next story again. Personally, if she being naked infront of me im sexually arouse by it because its common, i assume, that its time to get intimate. if she goes naked everyday the sense of intimacy varies again. Seeing her undress in the public vs alone in the room is different again. Call me selfish but i dun like to share my womens body with others =D

We don't walk around naked for the same reason we don't eat insects (well most of us anyway.) It was a good idea at the time, and old habits die hard. Why do we drink cow milk and not, say, goat milk or donkey milk? it's what we've always done, if there's no good reason to change it, we don't why would there be a reason not to wear clothes?

Some people actually feel that clothes hinder themselves ala nudists.

Social status, individuality, modesty and so forth. All been highlighted prior to this post. It started how? That really depends on whether one follows religion or not. By the Christian faith, Adam and Eve clothed themselves out of shame after eating the fruit from the tree. If we were to concur with the theory of evolution, then it would be out of nessacity against the elements. From thereon it evolves you see, say if someone were to get the idea of wanting to be different and standing out, there comes in the idea of design.

Frankly, it differs nowadays. It is done, yes simply because it is what everyone else does. Were we to all have grown up being naked and being clothed not the norm, then certainly our sentiments and this thread title would differ. But people certainly have their own ideas as to why they wear clothes.

Clothes I believe had some practical use as you've already mentioned, but when practicality stops, its still retained, and when you question why? I would say the answer is distinction.

We humans like to be individuals, and as individuals we want to stand out or at least identify ourselves as unique and different from others. If you're "naked" you would likely paint your body, or add accessories to yourself. With clothes, you do so with different styles and patterns.

When this distinction is created on an individual level, slowly it "evolves" into a group. Where people start to "copy" from one another or form groups based on certain "dress codes". Which is why you have clothes which denote status/rank. Then within this group, you will continue to have people trying to set themselves apart from others. Best example would be formal men wear. Mostly the same, but if you pay attention you can see subtle differences in the tie, shoes, cufflinks, etc.

Once a dress code is established to denote certain rank/status/membership, then you have to consider that you have to dress like that group to be part of it. Its social compliance, and if you do not follow the "rules" you're either called a rebel, or if you're charismatic enough, the leader of a new trend

It all boils down to trying to be a distinct individual in society.

We should understand that the clothings are researched and specifically tailored for those in certain industry or profession.

For example: The most hazardous work environments requires personnel to wear Personal Protective Clothing (PPC), including military, structural fire, wildlands fire, police, emergency rescue, mining, metals smelting, petroleum and heavy industry.

Sunshine or rain...it doesn't matter. It's what the work requires. In short: For protection from hazardous work conditions.

Regards, Joey

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Aug 24 2009, 01:22 PM

Clothes also serve as a second barrier to our body. To protect it from unfavourable conditions and harm.

Example:
Preventing insects from crawling on your skin.

Less risk to get bacterial infection. Imagine if your penis is dangling around in the open and it touch something infested with bacteria. Gotta amputate la like that...

Also I don't think you want to be in a crowded train where your p**** is touching an old lady's buttocks do you? Maybe the old lady will enjoy it la..LOL

Anyway, I think it's more practical. Like I say, hygiene. Imagine if you sat on the chair in the train where the previous person who sat has ringworms, tapeworms, etc. Crawl up you a-hole.

The symbolic meaning comes with the types of clothes. E.g. King's clothes, jester's clothes, peasant's clothes, priest's clothes. They used clothes to identify the occupation and social standing.

I would say...puberty
When we were still a child, we walk around naked without shame..but we slowly feel shame as we grow older. Especially when boys and girls start to have feelings for each other.
Ofcourse, we cannot look down on the influence of the environment we live in because we can never exist alone (screw Robinson Crusoe...its a myth) so religion, culture, social conditioning can also influence this. In the name of civilization.....haha

Wow, this post is fantastic. Everyone here had put forth interesting points. Although I had pondered over this question since my childhood, I never found so many points. I really had to disagree with puberty because other primates also go through it and they don’t feel the need to cover themselves. Kudos to Mesosmagnet for managing this topic well and making sure people stayed with the agenda.

Since school days they say we clothe ourselves to protect ourselves and to cover our shyness. I had always disagreed with cover our shyness. Like Mesosmagnet, I felt that human had no reasons to be shy about their genitals. In the western world people have no qualms about being in the nude in public baths. In Malaysia we see some who don’t care too much about being in the nude but some would be more comfortable with a towel wrapped around. Nonetheless the famous prehistoric loincloth could prove that covering the genitals was a reason for clothing.

Of late I was convinced that it was a biological need to clothe ourselves. A full meal can last 6 hours but I doubt we can stay under the sun for that long without feeling the itch when it begins to scorch our skins. I began to see clothing as portable shelter. Unlike other animals we are not blessed with furs to protect our skins. Like us pigs don’t have fur to protect themselves. This explains why they splash themselves in mud when expose to the sun. Pigs in sheltered commercial farms don’t “play” with mud.

In due time humans figured out that they needed fur to protect their skin. Of all places, our genital is the most sensitive part. Lo and behold, the loincloth became one of the first inventions. Over the span of time culture, religion, status and all the other points mentioned here became part of the reason why we wear clothes.

Well, I believe it's the basic concept of what is taboo to a specific society. Places like Africa still have tribes of females and males who are half naked in public and are considered vulgarly clad to conservative societies, like Malaysia.

It's part of the evolution of culture and etiquette, what is right and what is wrong.

This post has been edited by Saaaweeet: Apr 2 2010, 04:03 PM

it really really goes back to the stone age. What drives humans to invent clothes is because of climate, not because of the shy or shame. The theory is that for such emotions to occur, you need cognitive reference to previous experiences (too much hassle to explain about experience). Humans learn to adapt and change, for them to survive in the cold weather, they crack their brains and learnt how to make clothes. Ever since then, parents will teach the young to wear clothes to protect themselves from the climate. But how did it turned into perception of shyness or embarrassment that drives us to wear clothes? rather than just to protect ourselves

Maybe some of us have not notice, lets put a scenario as an example. If we go to places like maybe....North Pole, and you are wearing a T shirt while the eskimos (i dont know if there are eskimos in north pole LOL just an example) are wearing thick thick clothing. They will look at you saying "What the?!" as if you are looking at a nude guy on the streets. It really has evolved into a general culture over the years. For embarrassment to drive us into wearing clothes, its pretty much the same cultural and education progression like... erm ... preventing ourselves from doing unhygienic things like digging the nose in public. There is a trigger point in purpose-evolution of wearing clothes where we wore clothes to protect ourselves, to parents saying
' OMG you are not wearing clothes! Shame on YOU!" <----trigger point
rather them having said the conventional, "Wear clothes to protect yourself, NOW, or you will die of frostbite"
its the same as teaching a child not to eat poison as it will kill your, except it does not evolved (at least not yet) into "OMG you eat poison! You should be ashamed!"

Name any famous artists, most of them will perceive human nudity as an art. It is a kind of beauty beyond description of words, which can only be expressed through paintings.

Anyhow dont go running around on the streets nude after reading the post , after all it is a norm now

Walauuuuuuu......... So many version...

The ultimate objective of human wearing cloths is due to coldness....
And slowly evolve to fashion...
And slowly evolve to protection on hazard/war (as said by Joey Christensen)
And now slowly back to nude beach/camp/etc...

If everybody is naked, then erection will be a rare view as we've grown up seeing naked which is normal... and touch here and there would means nothing as it's normal.

The only not normal is when a grown up adult that wears nothing since childhood suddenly walk into crowd that wears something. And vice-versa..

do you wear clothes while you are taking a shower?i do,because if got robber breaks into my house while i am taking a shower?i can runaway from him in a second<< pretty logic^.~

This post has been edited by m1ck3y3mon: Apr 8 2010, 11:10 PM

clothes = identity.

change your clothes and you change your identity.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: Apr 8 2010, 11:18 PM

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Added on April 9, 2010, 4:34 pm

u dun even need to wash ur clothes then..


clothing is a type of identity. Without clothing, we are all the same. With clothing, everyone is different. That's why we are all in 1 society but we are all different. Coz, deep down, we are actually the same.

This post has been edited by cassiemissy: Apr 9 2010, 04:34 PM

basically for protection against the sun, heat

and it looks good XD

interesting topic, though I don't really agree with some. Since you demand an opinion, I will tell you what I know.

According to Bible (yes Christian), human are shy looking at each other naked, so that's why they clothed themselves.

Okay, let's put it in a very simple test.

you're born in this world in 2010, nobody is polluting your mind demanding that you must be clothed otherwise you will feel shy.

no, you'll naturally feel shy looking at each naked body out there.

So what is this, human nature not explained by science? I agree that cloth is used to keep warm etc, but unless your private part is covered, you even feel shy to walk out to the street. partly due to culture in the place you're staying, and partly due to your nature as a human.

Read bible, it answers many questions.

we feel shy because the society's norms have changed,it has nothing to do with the bible,there are certain people in africa who do not properly cloth themselves but yet they don't feel shy to expose their genitals.

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Apr 10 2010, 04:11 PM

babies don't born feeling shy , obviously they will go through a stage which we would call education. Lets say this in bible context. Adam and Eve do not feel shy initially, only after they sin upon eating the fruit. They obtain knowledge of man, therefore they start to feel shy as they understand certain things.

1)even stone age ppl put somethin to cover that "lower place"

2)human feel shame of their obesiti and selulit... if slim and has nice body (gurl) & 6 pax and "big thing" they will show

Alex Kos,

If you read the first post, TS said to keep religion out of the issue. We are using reason to explore why we clothes ourselves.

I am sure TS will not disput that we wear clothes because the bible say so. You find in other threads that the TS does bible study with family. TS want to explore the logic for wearinng clothes. I hope you read before you post next time.

First and foremost, human commenced to cloth themselves has nothing to do with religion. There are still savages who inhabited the Amazonian and Papuan jungles that go around naked despite having some sort of animistic religious belief. Clothing has to do with moral value of a society. A clothing style from 2000 years ago might not be applicable in modern 21st century. The society determined the level of modesty and acceptability as norms, a human merely goes parallel with the norms and abide by it.

It is determined by majority of ancient as well as present human that it's vulgar, immodest and shameful to expose beneath our belly or waist. Therefore, we are sort of morally obliged to "fit" into the cultural predetermination. Though the nudists camps in the West are quite well known, it's still repulsive for them to walk around on the street and doing that will cause them to end up behind bars.

Why do humans clothe themselves?

Not attempting to give a super duper intellectualized answer and my answer is quite cliched: mostly it's because of the basic instinctual need to protect one's sensitivity (skin) to an environment or a surrounding.

But in a world where we *now* are living in, as some of you had pointed out -- clothes have *now* evolved into a subtle (sometimes not so subtle) way of showing who/what you are or become. Fashion. A brandname that is so cleverly hidden behind one's neck doesn't tell much but it does to the wearer. After all, he or she knows what he or she is wearing! If you know how much exactly that freaking cute top has cost you, and if you know that you can in fact afford it, will it be something that 'makes' you? Great, you have just been 'labelled'.

This post has been edited by flore: Apr 13 2010, 01:13 PM

Adam and Eve eat the fruit and they become intelligent and they know they are naked and they are shy~

That's a myth. LOL.

xD wat they shy?? bout themself?

I think it is the way that humans have conditioned ourselves. Humans are very peer-influenced, as in we are easily influenced by the people and the environment around us.

Quoting an earlier example, if you wear a suit to a nudist beach, you're gonna be looked at as a weirdo. If you go naked at a wedding, you're also gonna be looked at as a weirdo.

This is a variation question of the OP & hope u dun mind - why do humans wear underwear? Ok, guy's underwear and women's bra serve a practical function, to support that part against the effects of gravity. So why do girls wear panties when there is nothing for gravity to effect?

Secondly, many guys and girls spend a lot of time browsing the underwear section before they buy. Question: why spend so much time buying a piece of clothing that you are only going to conceal from everyone?

Not everyone conceals underwear =)

You mean like batman? :-)

I haven't seen one in the streets of KL or Sg. Well, except those saggy jeans where ppl reveal their butt cracks...

Sorry I came late to this interesting discussion but on the OP part that says "if we stay in a warm place, and there isnt anything in the environment to that can harm us, why cant we walk around naked?"

Ever tried sitting under the hot sun in your shorts for longer than 15 minutes, without sunscreen? That's one reason to wear clothes. Ever tried walking through the bushes with shorts and getting scratched? Or sitting around outside in the evening and getting bitten by insects? That's another reason to wear clothes.

Concealing our modesty I think is a later invention due to social pressure. It had nothing to do with the environment. If we've progressed beyond hunting for our food, we have the luxury to be creative and feed our egos so we can buy Donna Karan and all that stuffs. Other societies like those tribes in Papua New Guinea, clothes are decorative - to indicate status in the clan, helps people get organized. Not much different from us in that sense, except the fashion taste is different.

i think its more for hygiene purposes..

imagine we do not have any clothes on and we are taking the LRT which is packed to the brim..

and there's this guy next to you..his hand holding the handle and his armpit if right in front of you...............................................

Haha, I took a packed LRT once and someone farted. Want to pengsan man. But dunno who's the culprit coz everyone's so nicely dressed n look like angels.