hey guys, any recommendation of good and budget power Conditioner? How was Belkin PureAV® Home Theater Power Console PF30?


And I'm having 'hiss' noise coming from plasma TV set, around Power Socket part, by using this power conditioner, does it solve the problem?

This post has been edited by cyberion86: Aug 13 2009, 11:31 AM

remmendation?

I think he means Power Conditioner... asking for a recommendation.

Try a UPS?

haha sori can't help it. u can try tacima. good n cheap from futureshop.

I got this Bada LB3300
at KLAV with offered price.
The boss there told me that those brands like belkin, monster etc are crap, all use small components.
His power conditioner uses good quality components.
I don't know true or not. I don't really believe him.
But the build is very solid, better than those plastic or pvc housing.
Hence I bought it.

have u ever knock on tong kosong? that's bada

Reix, any difference? I was told that the PSaudio centre makes alot of difference to the sound and the PQ because it check and filter interference. Is that true?

Basic rule is u want to use filter on ur source (cdp, dvdp, bdp, etc) but for amp u do not want to filter/restrict the incoming power. Just connect direct to wall. Anyway, if you choose to use an external surge protection or power filtering device, make sure that it is sufficiently rated for the power requirements of your amp.

This post has been edited by arremie: Aug 13 2009, 12:46 AM

Well, I have not actually compare it.
I never use it with my old set up, only recently use it with my new speakers.
Maybe this weekend I will try to compare.

If that is the case Arremie, better not use it lor

what i meant was u must use it with ur source to filter out the noise but not recommended to use with amp. some power block like qed has a unfiltered socket for amp or high wattage equipment and the rest are filtered for ur source.

AFAIK, UPS is not a power conditioner rite? it's power backup

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Added on August 13, 2009, 9:38 amwhat about the 'hissing' noise from plasma set? is it related to power line noise?

This post has been edited by cyberion86: Aug 13 2009, 09:38 AM

seriously, check it out at the audiophile section (might have recommendation.. sorry, i am lazy to check}

get the right tools for the right job if can

Filters are meant for sources.... namely, CD DVD BD Astro,
if you connect Power Amps (or maybe AVR) here think you will get a thinner sound

Stablelizers or Automatic Voltage Regulator (AVR) think oso not recommended for hi power equipments like AVR ( when AVR want to boom the voltage will pull it back ~stablelize ma~
you still get effect but maybe not that good

That is what i was told, you still have to check it out

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Added on August 13, 2009, 11:51 amUPS is for power back up, my whole system is on UPS, next time will separate the AVR from it
but if you can get an "ON-Line" UPS means better still, you will get a very clean constant output say 220 or 225 all the way ( not fluctuating voltage from 215 to maybe as high as 245~ industrial area.

Housing area daytime high voltage night time low voltage
Industrial area is the reverse

This post has been edited by moomoos: Aug 13 2009, 11:54 AM

Try out something called AudioMagic. Available from the guys @ Audio Creations. Most proper conditioners will have a voltage regulator and a filter so you won't need to worry about voltage block. I would recommend using one for the power amp especially since it will be decoding and converting the the signals from your source units to your analog outputs.

can you recall the Price and how many UK/US sockets
thanks

Its got 6 outputs if I am not mistaken all using US plugs. Price is around 4K but I think you can get it for lesser now. I have attached a link below.

http://audiocreationskl.blogspot.com/searc...l/audio%20magic

4k?

I rather stick with my 200+ Tacima. Good enuf to filter all sources.

thanks.... really costs a BOMB.!!

different ppl different requirement bro... btw, which model of Tacima u used?

That's true but 4k simply too expensive la for me. I use the normal 6-plug Tacima CS929 for all my sources and also the LCD. My amp n sub each connected to a single plug Belkin and direct to wall.

Tacima CS929 got quite good review from internet. How much the postage to here? And what about warranty?

About RM220 plus shipping from Futureshop. Source usually does not use a lot of power so Tacima is adequate. No need to go crazy.

have u tried removing the Belkin....
think should get better sound

like normal 4 gang

Tacima CS929 user too. Cheap and nothing much to complain.

Yes direct power sounded the best (tested without the Belkin and Tacima) but my whitesnake has no fuse so to be safe I use Belkin for now. I have E2 power saver which stabilize AC current of my house against power spike and lightning so later I'm gonna get another longer whitesnake with fuse for direct connection.

My bad. What's the budget?

OIC..... I only dont trust belkin
i am using PK UPS for whole system, hehe

I don't really trust any brands actually, but the RM25k insurance coverage from Belkin I thought, what the heck. It's cheap and at least I got the peace of mind until I get better ones.

how to claim the insurance? i'm also owned the surgemaster. just curious

yep my single point surgemaster got rm5k. that's more that what my avr cost

Those below 500bucks are more or less the same, just get which ever you find trustworthy.
Belkins are good as they offer Insurance in case of damage to your gadgets, but they sure don't look nice *this is for me thou*
Tacima gets quite good feedback from few forumers here, but it just look like giant extensions in black.
As I said they are more the less the same if you're getting those below 500bucks.

Yesterday i went to Mr.Lim shop at Amcorp Mall.Theres a power conditioner in front of his shop.Got review some more,selling for Rm500.I forget what brand.Does every HT setup need power conditioner ?

Mr. Lim carries a few brands, one of them is Bada from China.
If RM500, should be LB-5500.
Does it look like this?


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What is this product "I have E2 power saver which stabilize AC current of my house against power spike and lightning"

What is the name of Mr Lim's shop?

If that RM500 conditioner is indeed the Bada LB-5500 then I might go check it out.

ya..but not same.single line input only..

Acoustique Systems
U can call him :- 0123393738 - C.N. LIM

Thanks.

Try PS Audio. Their lowest range, Duet gives a significant difference to sound and picture quality. It gives more layers to highs and tighter bass. Images are sharper and have better contrast

How much is the Duet?

http://www.e2saver.com.my/product.htm RM360 for single phase.

Is the e2saver a power conditioner? From reading about it, seems more like some kind of power factor correction device trying to reduce your electricity bills. Does it also clean or condition the power?

yup looks like power factor device.. rather than a filter...

anyway, I wonder if a full sine wave output from a server grade UPS power supply make for better sound?

I don't think so. Its more like a big capacitor for power. It will stabilize the voltage and clean out any spike or sudden power surge. Makes power usage more efficient and hence reduce ur bill. This is my 1st month usage so need to wait for this month's bill to know the efficiency. A few friends of mine shows from 30-40% saving of their monthly bill which is pretty accurate of what E2 claimed.

keep us posted ~

Oh I see...I have two of similar products like the attched picture. One down stairs and one up stairs. Been using for 3 + years now. I have to say initially it was kinda working or I may have thought so but after a while the bills were just almost the same. Not sure same type of product but looks similar.

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good conditioner always heavy, if it can lift easy with one hand, it will not help too much, but good conditioner prices not cheap, try Fuman conditioner, it manly for recording studio use. change your powercord first.

Any local distributor for the Furman power conditioners?

Just got quoted RM1,290 for the PS Audio Duet.

u have to install it closest to ur DB for best effect. i purposely pull another plug direct from my DB just to install it. anyway let's wait for my 1st bill

I use QPS power regulator 3kva,hence i DIY noise filter for individual output from this QPS to my source.

where did u get that bro. so far i can only find 1kva the highest. the most is 800va selling for rm55.

i got it foc from factory which they scrap old mc.

now test David Foster and Frens BD,wow for SQ and AQ

should post this in bd thread but yeah great sq

maybe he was refering to PQ/AQ improvements after using some sort of power conditioner leh? if not why post here??

I'm using this QPS for some years since i have my Yammy RX-V1400 but toooo impress with this David Foster BD.

Its DTS HD-MA fyi

oredi know abt that.

Any of you here have come across an AVR with 2m powercords or detachable powercords? I am looking for one.

APC

I bought a power conditioner (Consonance) from AV fest last month (Tong Lee), made in china. Wanted to use it to connect my AVR, LCD, sub & Dvico..

Thank god, luckily i tested it out on my PC for a few days. After the third day, the whole power conditioner blew up with a loud bang.

Now i'm trying to find for the receipt to get a claim... Imagine if i had hooked it up to my HT set..

It is AVR or UPS?
I think this will not come cheap here in BolehLand.

Not sure about the actual length of the power cords but as for those with removable power cords there are many. Any of the latest Yamahas from XV1900 onwards comes with a detachable power cord. Marantz mid-range units also have them. Not an onkyo or denon fan so not sure about those but I am sure certain models in their range do.

My Onkyo 876 does come with detachable pwoer cords.. I've asked Tong Lee during AV Fest and they mention that even if its built in power cord, they can help to exchange it with the power cord that you choose... Just make sure its done by the authorized dealer then its fine..

Oh no.. I am very very sorry..
I have made you all confused..
Should state the full name.

The AVR that I mentioned is Automatic Voltage Regulator.
Not Audio Video Receiver. Sorry.

Probably same. The conditioner blew up only and not other gears since your PC is still ok

true but my heart would have gone with it even though ntg would have happened to my HT..

Well in that case I am not sure. To my knowledge if it is just a voltage regulator then odds are the cords are not detachable.

It's OK bro.. I am just trying my luck here.
Coz all the Auto Voltage Regulator that I have seen so far only come with 1m length non-detachable power cord.

The APC line of AVR does not come with any cord. It uses an IEC connector type and support up to 1200Watt continuous output at 240V @ 5.2A max. Retails for around RM200 only but make sure your amp does not require more than that, otherwise, it will trip

Far as I can tell, its the only AVR which has a detachable cord. I am using an Isotek main cord on it fyi

This post has been edited by tgeoklin: Aug 21 2009, 03:56 PM

Bro... where can buy this?
It is for my stereo system.
Should be ok, right?
I will go hunt for it.

Stereo will be no problem. You can probably get the 800 watt version which is cheaper but its always better to get the best as you never know what you will add-on later. You can find it in Sri Computer @ Low Yat if in KL. Otherwise contact your local computer dealer to indent one for you

Got it.
Thanks.

Yes, it should. Used to have the same problem. Since getting a proper conditioner, its virtually gone

But a lot depends on what type of conditioner you are using, plus you may also need to upgrade the power cables as well

Look what I got in to try...



It's the PS Audio Duet Power Center, which I decided to try based on the good reviews on the Net. Of course another factor is that I could loan it from the friendly chaps at A&L. With others like the Bada, Tacima, etc I would have to buy first.



The Duet has 4 outlets (all US style) configured into 2 zones (2 plugs per zone). Each zone is isolated from the other to prevent cross contamination from plugged in equipment. I like this feature because I read that if there are no zones and you plug several components into a conditioner they can cross contaminate each other. Also, the Duet says it does not restrict current so you can plug stuff like amps, AVRs into any socket.

From the Duet to your power point, a standard IEC power cable is included. However, I used the 'white snake' instead.



So, I plugged in my AVR into Zone 1 and my blu ray player into Zone 2. This is what PS Audio recommends (i.e. separate the digital and analogue components).

Then I spent about 1-2 hours listening to Michael Buble and watched a bit of Kung Fu Panda. What was immediately noticeable was slightly better bass, by better I don't mean more bass but cleaner and more accurate bass. After some more listening I also heard more detail, this was quite apparent on Kung Fu Panda where I heard more subtle sounds and surround effects compared to before. For the Michael Buble concert I also had a greater sense of the ambience or space of the hall.

So my initial impression of the Duet is very positive, though I will spend more time with other movies to see if my opinion changes.

This post has been edited by jchong: Aug 26 2009, 11:21 AM

how muchie?

" AC cleaning and protection at our lowest price ever. The Duet is a no-compromise performer that features our exclusive Nano Crystalline filters, dual differential zone cleaning, over under voltage as well as surge and spike protection that is state-of-the-art. The Duet has no power limitations and will not restrict dynamic range of connected equipment. Clean spacious and open performance for audio with richer blacks and a more three diemnsional image for video. The Duet is perfect for any small system or as a standalone power center for power amplifiers of any wattage. Compact and powerful, the Duet is the perfect choice for any system" - PS Audio

wow......A&L got such service ? U must be a big big customer of it......

C.T.Seong.....can i borrow somethings also to test out at my place.

dont want ur eyebrow....want to know how much

A&L quoted me RM1,290.

too much....no tq

Jchong,have u seen the conditioner at Mr.Lim shop ?

OOPS......out of my budget.

Not yet. Didn't have time to drop by, will try his shop another week.

Is that power conditioner and regulator ?

As far as I know, power conditioner only. No voltage regulation.

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Added on August 26, 2009, 3:50 pmBeen doing some more googling. Seems most products for HT use are power conditioners; if you want to add in the function of voltage regulation then those are the high end models which are very expensive.

On the other hand, voltage regulators for PC use are much cheaper (like those from APC). But many don't do power conditioning.

This post has been edited by jchong: Aug 26 2009, 03:50 PM

brothers....thats quality stuff....

useless for me. can't use US socket. all my power cables use UK plug hak milik hospital

Mine Klinic oni.

Can always re-terminate with US plug what... like Furutech, Wattgate...

true but extra unnecessary cost

come come....let's go to lunch and discuss further...

He got new project to spend the paycheck..

don't worry
It available in 220v - 240v receptacle (UK plug)