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TSchong82
post Aug 11 2009, 11:26 AM, updated 17y ago

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Anyone know where to ge distilled water?
I want it for my WC setup.

Some used battery water, and i found out that battery water is actually de-ionised water,
it's not suitable for radiator.
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post Aug 11 2009, 11:41 AM

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How about using RO Water @ Reverse Osmosis water.. It has no mineral contents.. It's the closest water type to distilled water hmm.gif
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post Aug 11 2009, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(cloudwan @ Aug 11 2009, 11:41 AM)
How about using RO Water @ Reverse Osmosis water.. It has no mineral contents.. It's the closest water type to distilled water hmm.gif
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yea, i heard bout this as well, but need to confirm with veteran WC users.
I dont want to see later the reservoir chocolate in color like my car radiator. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Aug 11 2009, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(chong82 @ Aug 11 2009, 11:26 AM)
Anyone know where to ge distilled water?
I want it for my WC setup.

Some used battery water, and i found out that battery water is actually de-ionised water,
it's not suitable for radiator.
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Who says batt water cant use?
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post Aug 11 2009, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Aug 11 2009, 11:51 AM)
Who says batt water cant use?
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Just some articles i found, i didn't say cannot use, but got side effect.
Coz thats why car battery need poly-dunno-how-to-spell material to encased it.

Just want to confirm this.

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Limescale build up is the last thing you want, You must use deionised or distilled water. You can buy this very cheaply from a car spares shop, as “car battery top-up water”.

If your system uses more than one kind of metal in its construction, (and it almost certainly will) then they will form a crude battery. This can cause the more reactive of the two metals to corrode. You can avoid this by adding Zerex, Purple Ice or Water Wetter. Only a small capful is enough for most systems. Consult the additive's instructions for the correct ratio.


So by adding coolant can prevent corrosion?

Another articles i found.

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Water Cooling Liquid
A final yet important consideration to make is liquid coolant type. Theoretically, you could fill your water cooling system with anything, but some fluids work much better than others. First of all, do not use tap water. Tap water has minerals, bacteria, and algae in it which will corrode and cloud your water cooling system, possibly causing a catastrophic failure. Another alternative is de-ionized water. De-ionized or non-conductive water may seem desirable initially, because it is a poor electrical conductor, and therefore will not cause much damage if a leak occurs. However, water is an excellent solvent, and so if de-ionized water is put into a water cooling system, it will corrode the water blocks to get its ions back. Therefore, de-ionized water is not something we recommend, either.
A good choice is distilled water, because it is relatively cheap yet pure enough to use in a water cooling system. Distilled water will not deposit harmful minerals in your system, nor will it cause algal blooms because there are no living organisms present. It will not, however, corrode your water blocks because it is not de-ionized. There are various additives which may be added to the coolant in your system. Water wetter is great for increasing the cooling capacity of your system by altering the properties of water and making it even more thermally capacitive. Water wetter will also help reduce corrosion in your water cooling system. Other additives, such as UV-reactive dyes, may be added for aesthetic reasons.


I am overwhelmed with all these informations. Can someone enlighten me?

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post Aug 11 2009, 12:24 PM

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u can get distilled water from petronas la .
i bought 5 litre for RM7 .
u see d table of nutrient , its all 0 . so its distilled ^^,
somtimes they juz print out as drinking water so u check d nutrient .
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post Aug 11 2009, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(monsh @ Aug 11 2009, 12:24 PM)
u can get distilled water from petronas la .
i bought 5 litre for RM7 .
u see d table of nutrient , its all 0 . so its distilled ^^,
somtimes they juz print out as drinking water so u check d nutrient .
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post Aug 11 2009, 02:05 PM

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deionised water is better as coolant compare to distlled water... just the problem with batt water is abit acidic and may corrode the radiator after long run...
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post Aug 11 2009, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Alexes @ Aug 11 2009, 02:05 PM)
deionised water is better as coolant compare to distlled water... just the problem with batt water is abit acidic and may corrode the radiator after long run...
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Another good feedback! So now it's between 'Heat transfer effective/corrosion VS Heat transfer not-so-effective/No corrosion' ?.
Hmmm~~
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post Aug 11 2009, 02:14 PM

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I get mine from jusco, even cheaper than petronas and 7-eleven... whistling.gif

but nowadays i using non-conductive coolants...

they are the feser one coolants... smile.gif
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post Aug 11 2009, 03:26 PM

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feser coolant i heard after long usage could lead to "pemendapan" donno wat its called in english
ask dro for d link .
he told me bout it ^^,
well , i'd say distilled water should be good enuf for WC ^^,
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post Aug 11 2009, 03:48 PM

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lol im using battery watter xD..
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post Aug 11 2009, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(monsh @ Aug 11 2009, 03:26 PM)
feser coolant i heard after long usage could lead to "pemendapan" donno wat its called in english
ask dro for d link .
he told me bout it ^^,
well , i'd say distilled water should be good enuf for WC ^^,
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i not too sure about that, 1st time using for my current setup, previously i was on distilled + pt nuke...


* just googled around, i think there are some forumer over at xtremesystem have the problem u mentioned, but i think they mixed up with primochill anti microbial tubing and caused chemical reaction.. i will check my loop after few months when i do maintainance...

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post Aug 11 2009, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Alexes @ Aug 11 2009, 02:05 PM)
deionised water is better as coolant compare to distlled water... just the problem with batt water is abit acidic and may corrode the radiator after long run...
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battery water where got acid 1???? Acid in battery water is coz acid is inside the car battery. The water itself is just pure deionised water.
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QUOTE(ianho @ Aug 11 2009, 08:34 PM)
battery water where got acid 1???? Acid in battery water is coz acid is inside the car battery. The water itself is just pure deionised water.
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totally agree laugh.gif anyways im using batt water . . . almost a year n still lovin it.
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QUOTE(chong82 @ Aug 11 2009, 11:59 AM)
Another articles i found.
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Another alternative is de-ionized water. De-ionized or non-conductive water may seem desirable initially, because it is a poor electrical conductor, and therefore will not cause much damage if a leak occurs. However, water is an excellent solvent, and so if de-ionized water is put into a water cooling system, it will corrode the water blocks to get its ions back. Therefore, de-ionized water is not something we recommend, either.

I am overwhelmed with all these informations. Can someone enlighten me?
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I doubt he learned chemistry before.
Corrosion of iron can even occur in the presence of WATER and OXYGEN only.
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post Aug 11 2009, 09:28 PM

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LOL battery water got acid ? wtf lolz it should be ok to use battery water but if leak how? lol
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post Aug 11 2009, 11:43 PM

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I barely finished my high school so hope you can forgive my stupidity. blush.gif

Should've setup a poll for this topic. rclxms.gif
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post Aug 12 2009, 03:01 AM

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juz to be safe , try google around and see if there's any bad thing bout those coolant we're using .
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post Aug 12 2009, 10:45 AM


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so in the end, what to use as the liquid in ur WC?
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post Aug 12 2009, 03:21 PM

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+1 Distiled Water for me... =)

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post Aug 12 2009, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Aug 12 2009, 10:45 AM)
so in the end, what to use as the liquid in ur WC?
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I would say user preference.
Correct me if im wrong.

I've decided to use Battery water since ianho sifu second it.
But hope ianho can provide more info.
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post Aug 13 2009, 12:40 AM

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hmm user preference.. hmm.gif even batery water good one..but I prefer UV effect liquid.hehe

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post Aug 13 2009, 02:54 PM

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haha correct2 . based on user preference la .
doesnt matter anyway .
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post Aug 26 2009, 02:08 PM

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i bought my distilled water at 7 eleven ...
dunno is tat a pure distilled water but i juz use la...
on the botle it got write ''process distillation''
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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Aug 12 2009, 10:45 AM)
so in the end, what to use as the liquid in ur WC?
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1. Distilled water
2. Battery water
3. Filtered water

Enjoy smile.gif
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post Oct 21 2009, 04:16 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Aug 27 2009, 06:45 PM)
1. Distilled water
2. Battery water
3. Filtered water

Enjoy smile.gif
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at last the WC guru give his opinion over here biggrin.gif
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post Oct 21 2009, 02:19 PM

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car coolant is good? savecost sell it cheap meh..
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QUOTE(enzim10 @ Oct 21 2009, 02:19 PM)
car coolant is good? savecost sell it cheap meh..
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Sometimes it's not only about the price. You have to see if the car coolant contains chemicals that might react with the copper blocks within your loop, etc. I'm sure you don't want bad things to happen. I will not gamble on the car coolant and rather stick with distilled water.
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what happen if we just use tap water??
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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Oct 21 2009, 03:01 PM)
what happen if we just use tap water??
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Malaysia's tap water is horrible, filled with dirt and rust. I'm sure you don't want your tubings to go brownish, etc?
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so whats TS bought at last? found the distilled water.
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post Oct 22 2009, 08:41 PM

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reversed osmosis water --usually sell as drinking water is distilled water right??? hmm.gif

how about tiub? possible to used gas tube ( dapur gas tube.. it really thick and flexible ) tongue.gif
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battery water = distilled water kan XD?? suddenly tetibe rase cuak ahaha..
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if ro water can then go to elken centre tipu tipu wan drink then fill one bottle lo. lol
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u can get distill water with FREE too ... take from chemical lab at any university ~~ wahaha
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QUOTE(andythung @ Nov 1 2009, 02:52 AM)
u can get distill water with FREE too ... take from chemical lab at any university ~~ wahaha
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haha, thats not free, thats what we call stealing... brows.gif
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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Nov 16 2009, 11:15 AM)
haha, thats not free, thats what we call stealing... brows.gif
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u can always ask permission first ^^..
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 3 2009, 01:54 PM)
I got a few questions. Should i user Feser or should i use distilled water?

Everyone is saying distilled is cheaper and a better cooling source then Feser and liquid of those sorts which are expensive gimmicks.

But if using distilled, where should i buy from and what should i put in it when using? I'm scared if i used distilled, i won't know how to maintain it doh.gif

Please advise.
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my advice for wc newbie always go for low conductivity item by using feser one coolant and forgot the rumours says it will tilt after sometimes. Why? Because i experienced myself when i put the compression fittings on the GPU waterblock (swiftech MCW-60), and suddenly the o-ring is not enough to stop the water from leaking over my 2nd gc. hahaha.. at that times, nothing happen and it not cause any short to my gc board. Imagine if you're using the distilled water or battery water which is still a water with high conductivity, my board will be surely damaged.... yawn.gif

After you know how to handle all the things on wc then, you can go for distilled water or battery water which is a cheap source for watercooling. Who said distilled water never give any problem? hahahaha ask mr martin (R4st4m4n) about it... He said that his tubing got algae after sometimes using the distilled water. so? laugh.gif
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post Dec 3 2009, 04:06 PM

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I will move into using this kind of Solutions..any comments..
Its now available on counter sales for less then RM20 for 3 bottles.
Cleaner multi purpose solutions..and can change frequently for WC maintenance.

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post Dec 3 2009, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 3 2009, 02:40 PM)
Whats an o ring and what do you mean by tilting?

Also how long before Feser converts to become conductive? Because according to the scientific evidence, they say if u spray a brand new Feser coolant (which someone did try when i read a review) onto some live motherboard, nothing happens.

But if it's in use in your water cooling system, how long before it will become conductive? Has anybody tested that out yet biggrin.gif
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it will be low conductive as long as you don't mix it with water + other liquid. the compression fitting comes with hidden o ring, sometimes when the hole is not too deep for this compression fitting to fit or there is a small space available between that, you need another thick o ring to make it fit without leaking. The bitspower o ring normally will fit if you push it harder but you will notice there's scratch in between the small space on some part like Swiftech MCW60 GPU waterblock. So, we need another thick o ring to perfectly fit it.

The life expectancy for feser one coolant is for 2 years. When reach that time, need to flush the coolant and replace with the new one. In between that you can always refill it. The UV color will disappear from time to time... But you can add another feser uv dye to bring back the color to original. Maybe this is what they call tilting.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 4 2009, 09:33 AM)
Ah thanks for the explanation :}
Many people are reporting Feser is a marketing ploy >-<;

http://forums.pureoverclock.com/showthread.php?t=6964&page=2
One guy suggested to me an alternative.
Another person mentions to use a kill string in addition to biocide, as well as to use water repellant spray to coat your mobo and other components, just incase there are any leakage, and to keep the coolant away from the PSU.
Source: http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/621...er-pt-nuke.html
Ok so now my new question is ...... if i use distilled water, do i still need to drain and replace it after 1-2 years the same like Feser coolant or no need? Or is a simple top up alright?
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once in a while you'll noticed the performance drop or any water color changes on the tube, it's time to make a replacement. anyway distilled is still the best source for cheap. You need no worry to drain because it's available at most grocery and everywhere. biggrin.gif

Anyway, everybody has stated their own thought but at least i experienced myself about the feser one coolant. It spill on my gc, a lot of 'em but nothing happen. laugh.gif

Maybe you should test, to know which one is better in terms leak happen. If you have any chapalang psu and old fan, try to put the fan on some part of distilled water. looks either it's nothing happen or will blow your electronic device. brows.gif laugh.gif so at least you know.. there's so many rumours around that i felt sicked to hear that off! hahahahhhahahaha......
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 4 2009, 05:49 PM)
Thx for the advise smile.gif

I will definately be careful where i get distilled water from. Anybody know a good source for 100% authentic distilled water biggrin.gif ?

Scared if i get from petrol station it could be ordinary tap water (Malaysia like this >-<: )
Oh i was reading about silver kill coil.
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/sho...p?t=2088&page=4
Should i worry about corrosion if i put 2-3 of these in my water reservoir?

I read Silver and copper play nice corrosion wise, but what about nickel and alcatel added into that?

Where can i get a 99.99% silver kill coil? How much?
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I think it's better you buy the Feser UV coolant instead spending almost the same amount to get silver kill coil. If you don't like its uv color, u can always get their non-uv transparent/black one. At least you don't have to worry if there's leaking around... whistling.gif
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There is another very good option you guys forget, there is commercial water coolant for pc one, many company also got make that.
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Moogle, if you're already using silver, you don't need biocide. The silver acts as the biocide. The reason distilled water + silver is recommended is because its simple. Don't add more things than necessary, it add to the risk of a screwed up loop.

I'm also looking for a source of distilled water, can't seem to find any, getting my friend to steal some from his lab XD

Regarding UV Coolants, anyone recommending it, better read this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=226632

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Spritzer Distilled Water 5L for RM4 at any supermarket.
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 10 2009, 09:22 AM)
Is the Tygon Silver tubing sufficient or do i still need s silver kill coil also?

If your entire loop is using tygon silver, you wouldn't need the kill coil. Though I would recommend getting the kill coil anyway, just keep it somewhere, in the case you decide to change tubings, you got something to use smile.gif I tried looking around for silver to be used from local jewellers, didn't have much luck in getting 99% silver.

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From what i heard, it should be 99% silver which sounds damn expensive.

They just lace the tubing with it, not THAT much silver is actually being used, its not like the tubes are made of pure silver laugh.gif

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Is what this guy is saying correct? that even the distilled water from supermarket still have some mineral content?

Or should i get the distilled from the Pharmacy as he suggested?
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In the end, I don't think it matters that much. If you're already using silver, algae wont have a chance to grow. I just got myself 11L worth of distilled water smile.gif

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Dec 9 2009, 09:21 PM)
Moogle, if you're already using silver, you don't need biocide. The silver acts as the biocide. The reason distilled water + silver is recommended is because its simple. Don't add more things than necessary, it add to the risk of a screwed up loop.

I'm also looking for a source of distilled water, can't seem to find any, getting my friend to steal some from his lab XD

Regarding UV Coolants, anyone recommending it, better read this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=226632
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lol of course the color will disperse after long usage. at least can re-color it back using their dye. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Dec 12 2009, 03:08 AM)
lol of course the color will disperse after long usage. at least can re-color it back using their dye.  laugh.gif
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Its not about losing colour la, the problem with dyes is that it can clog up your loop because the chemicals eventually bond together especially if your loop has restrictive blocks.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Dec 13 2009, 09:21 PM)
Its not about losing colour la, the problem with dyes is that it can clog up your loop because the chemicals eventually bond together especially if your loop has restrictive blocks.
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i don't see any obstacles yet.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Dec 13 2009, 10:03 PM)
i don't see any obstacles yet..  biggrin.gif
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did you read the link I posted? tongue.gif

QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 14 2009, 01:28 PM)
I agree, and that is why i am avoiding coolants altogether. Distilled water + silver kill coil + silver tygon tubing = minimal fuss and maintenance. Just refill if water reservoir gets low >:}
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post Dec 16 2009, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Dec 15 2009, 01:53 PM)
did you read the link I posted? tongue.gif
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yes i read 'em... but i not encountered any problem with the Feser One Coolant yet.. maybe i should wait until the color disappear then let's see how it goes and how true the story... icon_rolleyes.gif sweat.gif
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post Aug 31 2013, 12:47 AM

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if u want it so safe, make your own DW.
very easy but that is if u're willing to spend the time n effort.

if your mom make cakes.. follow this


if u wan play with ice follow this,





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post Sep 18 2013, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(Titan_GigAs @ Aug 31 2013, 12:47 AM)
if u want it so safe, make your own DW.
very easy but that is if u're willing to spend the time n effort.

if your mom make cakes.. follow this


if u wan play with ice follow this,

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school science project...
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post Sep 29 2013, 02:03 PM

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everyone use batt water? no where to get pure distilled water yet? wink.gif

so far i know lab have. prefer some really clean water else got to diy..
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post Oct 20 2013, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(wordtalks @ Sep 29 2013, 02:03 PM)
everyone use batt water? no where to get pure distilled water yet? wink.gif

so far i know lab have. prefer some really clean water else got to diy..
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giant got sell lol.. I was walking around and noticed Distilled Water smile.gif
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post Oct 20 2013, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(gxthelord @ Oct 20 2013, 01:37 AM)
giant got sell lol.. I was walking around and noticed Distilled Water smile.gif
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(how much) for (how much) ml?
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post Oct 20 2013, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(wordtalks @ Oct 20 2013, 02:15 AM)
(how much) for (how much) ml?
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89cents for 1 litre. I tink RM6 for 5 litre if nt wrong. I'll take pics 2morrow when I drop by biggrin.gif

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post Oct 20 2013, 02:34 AM

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QUOTE(gxthelord @ Oct 20 2013, 02:20 AM)
89cents for 1 litre. I tink RM6 for 5 litre if nt wrong. I'll take pics 2morrow when I drop by biggrin.gif
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thanks alot, that would be really helpful. Hope its not mineral water. Do snap its content too if its possible. notworthy.gif
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