Q1: i take glucose polymer from 4Rings

Q2: I take creatine + protein + Glucose polymer on postworkout in one shot.

Thats the cutting edge part

This post has been edited by arekey: Aug 11 2009, 04:23 PM

sure or not ..

even if he consumes 1 tub of whey protein a day, it would never reach 20k a month for supplements, get your facts right.

A1
Glucolin = Dextrose = simple sugar
Maltodextrin/glucose polymers/starch = conplex sugars
Banana = simple sugar + complex sugar

Source:
http://www.weightlossforall.com/carbohydrates-banana.htm

*this makes banana the perfect source for carbs in to add into your postworkout shake. It has fast absorbing carbs as well as sustained release carbs.

A2
whey protein and creatine have different GIs.

This means they are absorbed at different rates, using diff mechanisms.
Taking the two together will not interfere with absorption rates.

*adding some carbs into the mix such as a BANANA will boost effectiveness as research proves that both creatine and protein are absorbed better when taking alongside with carbs.

source: direct email replay from EAS support team

Why say casein is better than whey? Almost everyone here takes whey.

Just the answer i was looking for tineagle. Thanks

I did make more research after and just a note we shouldn't take orange juice with creatine because of it's acidity or something(bb.com). grapejuice and raspsberry juice is good tho

i wonder if it's ok to take those concentrated grapejuice...hmm. banana being my first choice of coz. thumbs up

There's also an article on T-Nation saying creatine taken with orange juice is ok. Ur stomach juices are way more acidic than orange juice. How do you explain that? *I take mine with warm water anyway.*

I'm a big fan of casein but I can't afford it, so I buy whey. I fancy the idea of it being slowly absorbed. U know how people keep saying you can't absorb 29g of protein in one go. Well, casein being slow, it feeds you throughout. I like the idea of continuously being fed.

It works like that logically in my head, but I doubt that's how it works physiologically.

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Added on August 11, 2009, 9:59 pmMoreover, if you look at premium protein blends, they will always have casein.

This post has been edited by mofonyx: Aug 11 2009, 09:59 PM

Nice list and breakdown there, I think it'd be good to sticky this.

The only supp I take is whey, just spending on food is already very taxing on my wallet. T_T

You get the credit for posting up this article, arekey, but it's wrong to say that all those supplements is the way to get big.

To me, discipline, patience and consistency is the key in getting big. No point buying all the supps and stop them half way because not interested in them anymore. I know a friend who wants to gain weight, bought 3 tubs of weight gainer, and stopped taking them after 2 scoops because "they taste bad". It wasn't until I told him you can mix with milo/cofee and it'll be more palatable then he's taking them now, but what's the point of taking weight gainers when he is only taking 3 meals a day and no training?

Just an article i read in bodybuilding.com. So to be safe i just avoid and just share what i've read. But yeah you should drink it with some sugary stuff as it increases insulin secretion which acts like a delivery systems for your creatine to be absorbed into your cells to make you big and strong

I'm not sure. it's just slip in my mind that i read about sazali budget on news paper long time ago.
at that time he is looking for sponsor.

maybe i was wrong.

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Added on August 12, 2009, 1:22 pmLike it's said. this is the story about supplement to grow
and i strongly agree with you, without powerlifting traning, all this supplement will enter into you body and become 'taik'. just a waste of money.
powerlifting + supplement that's the way it is.

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Added on August 12, 2009, 1:26 pmthere is article i read about casien

Casein Research

Perhaps the most interesting kernel on casein to come from the scientific community is the Boirie study, which found that casein managed about a 31% increase in protein synthesis (to whey's 68%)... but also reduced whole-body protein degradation (catabolism) by 34%. More importantly, researchers found that casein contributed to a positive nitrogen balance an average of 7 hours after ingestion.

The Biorie study has since spurred further research of casein. Another study looked at the effect casein might have on body composition when used as part of a 12-week weight-training program. Participants were separated into two groups, each of which maintained a balanced diet including 75 grams of protein per day. The difference was in the sources of protein used: while the first group relied on whey-based drinks to reach their daily protein requirements, the second group made use of milk protein isolates (80% casein, 20% whey). At the end of the study, the milk protein isolate group had lost more fat (15.4 lbs. vs. 9.2 lbs.), gained more lean mass (9 lbs. vs. 4.4 lbs.), and gained more upper and lower body strength than the whey group.


http://egonutritions.com/shopping/index.ph...products_id=248

maybe it's just marketing hype

This post has been edited by arekey: Aug 12 2009, 01:27 PM

Apa ni?

Just drink the bl00dy milk!
And eat your egg yolk too!

Formula for growth is resistance training + good nutrition lah.
The nutrition part will normally include supplements. But it's not the only way. I think you read too much advertisement recently. =D

Last time i have this kind of thinking too, without those powder i wont grow. Really absurd. Coz aft i purchase those supplement i drink the supp only aft workout and oth meal screw up, NO BREAKFAST. hahaha such a fool last time.

AND YES, lots of ppl ard us when they see u pack on some muscle, they will ask... "U taking Protein ar?" and i think tats how the mentality developed.

This post has been edited by jamis: Aug 13 2009, 11:01 AM

One of my old friends, whom I haven't met for a few years, even asked me if I was doing roids. I seriously went "WTF?".

I'd take that as a compliment

i thought i read sumwhere on his journal dat he takes gainer too but stop after dat...ecto needs more to go further...

wassup...

are there BCAAs without coloring and taste? i mean just plain BCAAs

anyone selling in garage sales?

There are but , I think its really bitter so you might want to mix it with some dextrose or something like that.

Couldn't agree more. It taste better than ON 100% Whey. One more thing to add is that it contains: High in protein and low in carbohydrates, BCAA - 5+grams, Glutamine - 4 grams and Propritory digestive enzyme blend (Zytrix®) - 40mg



This is true. Protein blend is best taken before bed time as it feeds your muscle even when you sleep. IMO, Syntha-6 is one of the best tasting as well as Nitrocore-24.