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Stock Market V37: Return of the Bull, Part V, Bull vs. Bear
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jasontoh
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 Aug 13 2009, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 13 2009, 11:22 PM) if i go for long term investment for futures from April 09 till 31 July 09, i already earned RM15k (1 contract only)  So, yes, there's long term investment in Futures It is like saying....if I sai lang everything on one stocks from April to now, I already double or triple my capital already. Futures are pure speculation.....the moment drop off cliff happens, then whatever you are holding (LONG) will worth nothing, whereas if you SHORT, sky is the limit for your loss |
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jasontoh
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Aug 13 2009, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE(espree @ Aug 13 2009, 11:28 PM) chyaw buy a lots share on March. As you can read most of his picks already double and more. Yup. What I'm trying to say is that we do not know when is the bottom or the highest....if we know, we are all Trillionaires.....or God. So, buying Futures definitely cannot be for long term. Just a matter of time you are trap....and I mean trap big time. P/S: Even some of my stocks are actually giving >100% gains, although I do have some sluggish stocks as well  |
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jasontoh
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Aug 13 2009, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Aug 13 2009, 11:30 PM) If I short, and I don't cover,... then my principal will be all lost,... and I will also owe my broker? Well, I dunno how it works out. Maybe you can ask debbie. Could be you still need to pay the difference index points from your contract point Heard before like what margin call etc....
Added on August 13, 2009, 11:36 pmQUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 13 2009, 11:31 PM) Futures also got TA so it isn't purely speculation  TA = speculation FA = investment Right? This post has been edited by jasontoh: Aug 13 2009, 11:36 PM |
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jasontoh
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Aug 13 2009, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(espree @ Aug 13 2009, 11:34 PM) noobie question here how long futures can hold? like share? extra charges? btw, when 7th month Ghost festival start?? You cannot hold Futures contract forever, if I remember correctly. There is something like deadline, if you buy Futures for Dec 2009, last day suppose to be last day of trading day in Dec 2009. After that it become worth less than toilet paper. |
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jasontoh
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Aug 13 2009, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 13 2009, 11:39 PM) Yup. TA is for speculation. You won't be seeing people investing using TA method, although it do helps in giving us the guidelines on the entry price |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 13 2009, 11:51 PM) you can choose to auto sell at the last working day of the month. For HLE, charge is lower, but I forgot how much. Well, i ask you: have you ever checked out the historical chart of the shares before you buy? The historical highest and lowest price of the share? The reasons it fell? I'm sure you did. All these are TA. TA is for speculation, no doubt, but with speculation, at least you know the favaour of the shares, without speculation, that would be total zero knowledge and understanding. Invest with feeling is true speculation instead, my 1 cent, no offence please  Investing is also speculating what will happens in the futures with some baseline(our capital) whereas "Investing" in Futures is sort of gamble. I never say speculation is bad or good. If you ask whether I checked historical chart for highest/lowest - Yes. For guidelines for my entry points, just in case the stock could be at the peak. But just as guidelines, because if I think the stocks still worth it, I will still go ahead to buy. (Case for Digi when it was at RM8 and consider very "high"). Fundamental analysis is performed on historical and present data, but with the goal of making financial forecasts.Reason - Yes. This is FA This post has been edited by jasontoh: Aug 14 2009, 12:11 AM |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE(chyaw @ Aug 14 2009, 07:30 AM) For those that holding REITs, better hold tight tight now. Last round after OSK REITs roadshow in Northen region, the REITs start to rally. Now, M2U has a roadshow in central region (I think much smaller scale), REITs counters may move up more. I think the main audience will be those that "invest" in ASM and FD or those entering retirement age... Current dividend yield still around 9% as compared to "good days" 12%. Anyway, still better than putting in FDs or ASM... Even better than EPF...  Axreit still ok to buy? Or you have any recommendation? |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE(chyaw @ Aug 14 2009, 07:36 AM) LCL main problem is whether they can collect their debts or not... Other than that, I don't see much problem... Cancelling projects are common and as long as they manage to top up back with new project, then is ok. If they can't collect their debts, there will be major write off... I hope I'm wrong... The one and only reason why I dump LCL after it rise so much. Zaman! Scomi rights issue! As I told you last week!  LCL will be next if the price fly to certain level!
Added on August 14, 2009, 7:43 amBuying REITs is very different from buying other stocks. You don't buy with the aim of capital gain (even though we like capital gain), we buy for dividend for constant stream of income. So, if you find the dividend yield meet your criteria, then buy. Of course, need to see also other things like the diversification of the REITs and the gearing (which I think are more important). Last month I ask quite a few friends that doesn't really play stocks to buy REITs instead of ASM. My favourite REITs still Axreit and Hektar (some minor dissapointment with Q2 result). Maybe I'm a bit bias as I didn't really study other REITs in detail. Thanks for your view on REITs. I do plan to hold some counters giving me really good div so that I can still collect money no matter what.(as I mentioned earlier, I want to retire or semi-retire early). Regarding Scomi RI, is it good news or bad news? I see recently whenever RI is announced, the stocks surged |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Aug 13 2009, 11:56 PM) yeah just replied at toto thread --------------- wow now even Quadruple Combo cant make Dow go RED......  (High unemployment + poor retails + low inventories + record july foreclosure) Like Adam said before, if it does not want to go down, it wants to go up  |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 14 2009, 10:09 AM) You seem to like recessions a lot. For me, recession is like a period for poor guy like me to close gap with the reach. But |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(mv2r @ Aug 14 2009, 10:12 AM) i love when bubble just burst... every counter's price is like jumping off a cliff.... When most ppl are sitting at the top of the hill right? |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(Joy~ @ Aug 14 2009, 10:20 AM) somehow true...Alliance always made a good call ....dont know whether their TA analysts are very good or they got a lot of customers to support ?? Recently they made call on Welcall, Muhibah, Bahvest, Bstead, Faber etc... Can get their research reports if u signed up their online trading system Maybe you can share what else they have in mind. My BSTEAD run away from me, now   , have to buy others |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 14 2009, 10:41 AM) aiyo it has been there at 2.2x for a few days mah. HSP moved faster than THP, so please get HSP.  I think THP no prospect, after getting opinion from others as well as the financial report. HSP on the other hand is my favourite since my BSTEAD keep shying away from me.  |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(mv2r @ Aug 14 2009, 10:48 AM) wouldnt you like that? The last time where everyone on top of the hill...i just manage to cash out about 60% |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 14 2009, 10:53 AM) there's still room for movement for THP, still pretty low (in the midst of all this highs), its noteworthy this counter is also (somewhat) at its peak as well (so is everybody else).. anyway's i won't consider HSP anymore... moving on... just tulan the remisier for not key-in order. Now I will consider either Bstead or back to IJMPLANT with 2x the price that I bought previously |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 14 2009, 11:01 AM) oh wait, you bought Bstead? 3.8x? Seems like people selling off other counter for this. Do you still think we are a bit too late (too stingy with the entry price)?
Added on August 14, 2009, 11:13 amQUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 14 2009, 11:09 AM) Well my 2cents is, use the FCPO price/Crude oil price to assess your entry point... Cheers! Should I not sell at 2.7, then I would be earning extras. Too bad....that time too scared to subscribe RI.  This post has been edited by jasontoh: Aug 14 2009, 11:13 AM |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 11:22 AM
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Ok...Maybe need to call my mum and ask whether she received the Pbbank cheque or not
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 11:26 AM
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 11:38 AM
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KLCI is evaporating
Added on August 14, 2009, 11:39 amQUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 14 2009, 11:37 AM) sekali FCPO start to crash... everythings start falling apart ..lol
Added on August 14, 2009, 11:38 amcome to papa... At the moment, there is only FCPO right? We cannot see how much palm oil is traded in Bloomberg? This post has been edited by jasontoh: Aug 14 2009, 11:39 AM |
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jasontoh
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Aug 14 2009, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 14 2009, 11:42 AM) CI turning red Since you play futures, what is our outlook on the next few weeks? |
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