there is higher chance than siblings reared from young will do well together
just monitor to be safe

never ever have inbreeding (siblings mate with siblings, parents mate with siblings etc)

will result in defects

@maksevrod: eyes can go missing. physical defects are common.
in lions, cause they were place together in conservation areas, it was found that their sperm cannot swim in a normal "8" shape anymore cause they all kept in same place so mate with each other

@omara, your cages look so small, syrians need 2ft tanks to themselves, how big is each cage??

@hublee91: i think you shouldnt try to put them together d since they fight till bite each other. but are you sure they are both winter whites? not russian campbell and winter white?

@ix3Rukia: buy a toilet let them sand bath if they dont sand bath on their own then you can take the sand and rub it on them
if its near the hips, its their hip gland
http://www.google.com.my/search?q=hamster%...iw=1024&bih=437
this one is normal. its their glands to mark territory and it will be more oily than other parts

it will take quite a while if its very oily and your hamster isnt that good in sand bathing
i give hamlet a sand bath twice a day and sometimes he mandi kerbau
so i have to rub the sand in the oily areas
last time when i put sand bath in his house, his fur forever fluffy
due to lack of space and very messy, i took his sand bath out
(he tends to dig the sand out of the toilet, make the whole cage sandy sandy)
also i feel not good to put sand bath in his house cause i scared he sniff too much or bath too much and have respiratory problems

im also using alex bathing sand but if possible i wanna find one that is unscented
anything scented isnt good
also be caution when purchasing things developed for other animals on hamsters, however from what i read, chincilla sand bath is alright for hamsters

like i said, alex is not the best brand available
thou it is widely available
i wanna try delikate's one next
saw it recommended in a site

difference between campbell and winter white:
http://www.hamsterific.com/dwarfHamsters.cfm

@hublee91: nothing wrong with campbells but they have been documented to be more aggressive than winter whites. but what i am most concern is that you do not mix a winter white and campbell in the same cage and expect them to be friends. usually from what i read, its best to put male in female cage.. not very sure about this..

@omara: honestly speaking, i hope you stop breeding your syrians because you do not have a proper home for them. your current tanks for each of them are smaller than what is proposed for a dwarf hamsters. do you think its fair? its like having children knowing you have not enough money to support them.. so you force 10 kids into one mini room.

of course angry because even myself housing ONE syrian in 1.5 ft tank also i feel guilty for hamlet

knowing your wallet is tight then dont have so many, samo go and breed? if all the pregnancy was successful then how? you have 20 syrians? know your capabilities before wanting to have so many pets..

you made a mistake.. fine
but now that you know they need individual tank of at least 2ft in size why are you still breeding?

unless you are capable of giving them a 2ft tank each with all the proper toys and accessories please stop torturing them

please be responsible and dont later later later
this is not the attitude of a true pet lover
this is an attitude of a selfish person

im not tick off by the first mistake you made
nor am i ticked off with how much effort you made to try to rehome them again
what i am ticked off with is that you breed them knowing you cant house them properly

you've made the mistake and before you can correctly correct your mistake you repeat it again..
i am hoping that you learn from your mistake and do not repeat them

he is not trying to kill them with a not so big home but instead this will lead to aggression in his hamsters. as their territory is not big, they will learn to be aggressive and bite a lot. it puts the hamster under a lot of stress. it doesnt kill them immediately.. it just makes them suffer thru it. while your hamster may not have physical defects (well if extreme then maybe their fur will all drop off) but they will suffer psychologically

bout the later part.. what i am saying is it is not responsible for you to think like breed now. even if i have no money now.. later things might turn out better. i might have more money and house them properly. its not good for you to push it to a later phase. problems dont solve by themselves. you have to put in the effort to think about how to solve them

since your budget is low what you can start by doing at the very least is to stop breeding it because you are already having problems housing your current hamsters.

@noruddin: congrats

omg-osh! so adorableee
he actually likes his mineral stone
haha so difficult getting hamlet to bite his
have to get dog biscuits and wooden bridges/ladders to make him chew

@omara: my sincere apology if i ticked you off. but im just hoping the best for your hamsters. and no i will not be happier if you left.. reason being we can learn more from this forum then leaving it.

haha you want dog biscuit?
bring one for you on wed
give it a go
i very very scared their teeth overgrown..
then have to bring to vet to clip

@babybb: where you bought your mineral stone and how much a?

wow the shop not bad
quite cheap
urgh i wanna go sungai wang now
hope to see you lepak here more often

aswen if you get hedgehoggg
i want playyyyyyyyy!
their belly super soft and if they tame ddd
eee super cuteeee
but if they super tame, they wont ball up on your hand
but balling up is so cute toooo
urghhh adorableeee

i was just reading up on gp.. feel like getting a pair
but no space
4 square feet per pig.. need 2 pig minimum so no depression

@ix3Rukia: your winter gold the tar thing how?

and their cage a
need to be directly on your floor cause need huge space
i heard can toilet train but is much harder than hamsters
err best to have a pair
in some countries its illegal to sell a sole gp unless you can prove you already have one at home
cause they get depression one
social animals hehehe

but i read about gp a..
they damn clever
i like the sounds they make
when owner come they happy got different sound
they hungry can tell you feed them

but they very ma fan also
alot of things cannot eat
and commerical food diet is very insufficient for them
unlike hamster food.

i saw a hedgehog video on youtube
the hedgehog exploring the house
then sudd someone fart
he straight turn into a balll
adorableeeee

@noruddin: is the winter gold changing its coat to winter coat? i read somewhere that when winter the dorsal stripe more obvious
thanks for clearing it up thou xD
sigh.. thats the thing i paling takut when breeding

@ix3Rukia: very demanding rightt. but i like the way they have different sounds like can communicate to you hehehee

i thought the winter gold changing to winter coats hehehe

@ix3Rukia: he so cuteee

owh btw aswen
i wanna ask where you bought your sanko 8" wheel?
thanks

i also wantttt
hahaha

wow suddenly so many people giving up syrian for adoption
that time before i bought hamlet i kept looking for adoption or breeders
but dont have
resulted in buying from petshop
urgh

ahaha good to know
then noodles leh?
she stay where?

@hublee91: so what you bought for your hammies today?