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 Maxis - Set For Listing Again, Maxis set for US$2b listing

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post Sep 20 2009, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 19 2009, 09:34 PM)
skiddtrader,

<<Since it's almost a guaranteed profit upon listing. >>

For whom??

A) The person buying the IPO share??

B) Maxis??

C)  Or, greater fool theory??  Buy it and sell it immediately?? The last person that holding the share is the loser??

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It's always C) in the case of popular IPOs.

This post has been edited by skiddtrader: Sep 20 2009, 11:21 AM
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post Sep 20 2009, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Sep 20 2009, 11:21 AM)
Dreamer,

It's always C) in the case of popular IPOs.
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I posted a story at "How to invest in US stock", you can read it.
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Those who interested to get Maxis shares but no money 2 buy. Can apply to work with Maxis.
Now even the contract staff of Maxis will get maxis shares. The higher position, you will get more shares option.

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post Sep 21 2009, 03:40 AM

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QUOTE(zenquix @ Sep 21 2009, 12:47 AM)
My thoughts

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1) Listing only covers Malaysia Maxis. What is the potential growth like? Pure dividend play?
2) Maxis Communications Berhad will use both proceeds from the relist as well as dividends to finance overseas ventures. @75% dividend return, would this in turn cap the potential growth of the Malaysian business?
3) Reduction in 2009 financials and reduction in market share hints on better performance by the competitors in the Malaysian Market?
4) @ 2.25 bil shares (only 8% retail), and estimated IPO listing of RM7bil, this would mean that the potential IPO price will be ~RM3.11 per share.
5) Assuming that FY2009 & FY2010 gross profit is zero growth @ RM2.4 bil(considering 2009 is already 9.4%) that would mean a dividend pool of RM540mil for this 2.25 bil shares. Thus each share may earn ~24 sen per share
6) This would put it to a potential dividend yield @ est IPO price of 7.7%.
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Added on September 21, 2009, 4:44 amThe recent investment liberalisation announced by the PM stated that half of the public float will be allocated to Bumiputera. If Im not wrong, Maxis' IPO will be bound to the new regulations since it is effective from the announcement date.

After deducting Bumiputera portion of 87.395M shares, Does that mean that the rest of the public applicants will only have 87.395M shares ?

Assuming there are 50,000 applicants (employees, auntie, uncle, students, etc)
That will average to about 1747.9shares per applicant sweat.gif sweat.gif
Not to mention some may not get anything at all.. hmm.gif

Chances are quite slim eh.. laugh.gif

I've heard that you'll be guaranteed some shares if you subscribe above certain amount. Is there such thing ?





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post Sep 21 2009, 05:54 AM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Sep 21 2009, 03:40 AM)
I've heard that you'll be guaranteed some shares if you subscribe above certain amount. Is there such thing ?
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I'll like to know as well.

From the draft prospectus:

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112,500,000 Offer Shares, representing 1.50% of the existing issued and paidup share capital of the Company, will be made available for application by Malaysian citizens, companies, co-operatives, societies and institutions, comprising the following:

(a) 75,000,000 Offer Shares, representing 1.00% of the existing issued and paid-up share capital of the Company, are set aside for Bumiputera
individuals, companies, co-operatives, societies and institutions; and

(b) 37,500,000 Offer Shares, representing 0.50% of the existing issued and paid-up share capital of the Company, are available to Malaysian citizens,companies, co-operatives, societies and institutions


The rest of the retail offering are allocated to eligible Maxis customers, dealers and employees.

So chances are not merely slim, it's thin as a starving refugee shakehead.gif

Btw the public have 15 days to provide feedback on the draft prospectus here:

http://www.sc.com.my/main.asp?pageid=643&m...=&linkid=&type=

If any forumer feels that the 37.5 million shares allocated for the public are too little, do click on the blue comment button at the bottom of the page and make your voice heard.

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post Sep 21 2009, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(flydragon @ Aug 5 2009, 04:53 PM)
What is the final price of Maxis b4 quit klse?
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It should be rm14.5, that was the price Maxis paid if i remember correctly.

Some how i'm not too excited with the re-listing of Maxis simply because the reason for listing is not for expansion of business but its at the request of the PM to attract investors. I feel like we are contributing to a huge profit to Mr. Krishnan for the re-listing. Just my opinion.
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Maxis re-listing will give a big impact on DIGI and AXIATA shareholder. Particularly DIGI -time to change~

Maxis is much more cheaper and higher potential
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The shares of Malaysia’s top mobile operator Maxis Bhd. will likely be priced at between 5.00 and 6.00 ringgit in a planned initial public offering later this year, the Edge financial weekly reported quoting an unnamed source as saying Saturday.

“Currently the price range is thereabouts. It could go higher but it shouldn’t go beyond MYR7.00,” the Edge reported quoting a source familiar with the deal.


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post Sep 21 2009, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 26 2009, 02:32 PM)
I will go for MAXIS.

Hope the listing price is par value RM1, price is RM5.00
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Aug 26 2009, 04:01 PM)
How did you arrive at the RM5.00 IPO price?
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QUOTE(Jet Lee @ Sep 21 2009, 01:06 PM)
The shares of Malaysia’s top mobile operator Maxis Bhd. will likely be priced at between 5.00 and 6.00 ringgit in a planned initial public offering later this year, the Edge financial weekly reported quoting an unnamed source as saying Saturday.

“Currently the price range is thereabouts. It could go higher but it shouldn’t go beyond MYR7.00,” the Edge reported quoting a source familiar with the deal.
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Simplesmile, now can you see my first comment on RM5? ..."reporting quoting unnamed source..." err, that source was me. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 21 2009, 05:46 PM

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A issue I need to raise, so that people not confuse.

Previously the company which being privatised one is Maxis Communication, MCB, the parent company. Now the one will go through the IPO one is Maxis Malaysia, one of MCB business.

So it is totally different than Maxis which being privatised previously.
It is Maxis Malaysia, not Maxis Communication.
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QUOTE(zenquix @ Sep 21 2009, 12:47 AM)
Not sure if this was shared

Source: http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html
My thoughts
1) Listing only covers Malaysia Maxis. What is the potential growth like? Pure dividend play?
2) Maxis Communications Berhad will use both proceeds from the relist as well as dividends to finance overseas ventures. @75% dividend return, would this in turn cap the potential growth of the Malaysian business?
3) Reduction in 2009 financials and reduction in market share hints on better performance by the competitors in the Malaysian Market?
4) @ 2.25 bil shares (only 8% retail), and estimated IPO listing of RM7bil, this would mean that the potential IPO price will be ~RM3.11 per share.
5) Assuming that FY2009 & FY2010 gross profit is zero growth @ RM2.4 bil(considering 2009 is already 9.4%) that would mean a dividend pool of RM540mil for this 2.25 bil shares. Thus each share may earn ~24 sen per share
6) This would put it to a potential dividend yield @ est IPO price of 7.7%.
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1) It is only for purely dividend play, as growth rate is minimal, as same as TM

2) Malaysia has HP penetration rate is about 110% already (HP > population), so near matured and saturated state, further growth rate is about population growth and economy growth. So there is little need to further expansion and capex, except for newer tech come in which need for major upgrade across which in near future is highly unlikely. Population is the major issue which is the upper cap of your potential customers as well as per capital income.
That's why a lot of large cap company (even in financial), has ventured to overseas to look for more growth.

3) 2009 surely has impact on all across (it is norm to see any company register a dip in revenue and profit side), as recession kick in as well as lot of foreigner workers being sent back. (Foreigner workers also are one of chunck of prepaid business)

5) If it turns out to be 7.7% yield with consistency, it is still a reasonable dividend stock especially for large cap stocks. But share price wise won't be too exciting, may be just like Guiness type of movement but if treat it as old man stock to collect dividend only, still is a choice.
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As disclosed, annualised 2009 profit of 30.4 cents based on 1H'09 results. So I can't see it pricing at around MYR 3.11 per share, which would be a great discount compared to its competitors such as Digi. At the same time, MYR 7.00 is wishful thinking too. If I had to bet, more likely the low end of that 5-6 range said earlier, or slightly less.

Personally, I'm not so skeptical to view Maxis as a pure dividend play company. There's growth to be had, but it's going to be gradual. Stuff like wireless value added services, gaming and mobile advertising have potential.
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The report from business times states that:

"Maxis Malaysia will not be issuing new shares, but will offer 2.25 billion shares, representing 30 per cent of its existing share capital.

The exercise could help its main shareholders (Maxis) to fund the group's Indian investments"

I think what Maxis is doing is that they want to raise cash from the Malaysian public to invest in India but will not be sharing its profit from India.
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QUOTE(Gundam Wing @ Sep 21 2009, 09:24 PM)
The report from business times states that:

"Maxis Malaysia will not be issuing new shares, but will offer 2.25 billion shares, representing 30 per cent of its existing share capital.

The exercise could help its main shareholders (Maxis) to fund the group's Indian investments"

I think what Maxis is doing is that they want to raise cash from the Malaysian public to invest in India but will not be sharing its profit from India.
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That's right, now the India's business is start growing with compound rate, why want to share the profit with public?
I think that's the purpose 2 years back when Maxis delisted from Bursa.

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QUOTE(Vinct @ Sep 21 2009, 10:46 PM)
That's right, now the India's business is start growing with compound rate, why want to share the profit with public?
I think that's the purpose 2 years back when Maxis delisted from Bursa.
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My view,
I don't think that's the main point (yes, it could but more on secondary) of the privatisation previously.

The previous privatisaiton (or most privatisation) is to get rid of others shareholders so that they can do whatever they want on the company level whether fund transferring or some decision which might not agreed by other shareholders. If company doesn't need fund or financing, then yes, any privitisation make sense, but not for MCB.

Imagine if without privatisation if MCB transferred all the fund from Malaysia operation to fund India market operation and not giving a single cent dividend to the existing shareholders, surely others shareholders will raise skeptism on it even though India operation might be have good future. By then you have a lot of shareholders object the move which could jeopardise the India operation/venture


Added on September 22, 2009, 12:07 am
QUOTE(okyjace @ Sep 21 2009, 08:49 PM)
As disclosed, annualised 2009 profit of 30.4 cents based on 1H'09 results. So I can't see it pricing at around MYR 3.11 per share, which would be a great discount compared to its competitors such as Digi. At the same time, MYR 7.00 is wishful thinking too. If I had to bet, more likely the low end of that 5-6 range said earlier, or slightly less.

Personally, I'm not so skeptical to view Maxis as a pure dividend play company. There's growth to be had, but it's going to be gradual. Stuff like wireless value added services, gaming and mobile advertising have potential.
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If EPS is 30 cents, IPO price should't more than RM3.xx.

If RM5-6 range at EPS 30 cents with little growth, it is an expensive IPO, not advisable to go in anymore, as it means PER of 20x with little growth which doesn't sound right.
Just my view, I might be wrong.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 22 2009, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 21 2009, 05:46 PM)
A issue I need to raise, so that people not confuse.

Previously the company which being privatised one is Maxis Communication, MCB, the parent company. Now the one will go through the IPO one is Maxis Malaysia, one of MCB business.

So it is totally different than Maxis which being privatised previously.
It is Maxis Malaysia, not Maxis Communication.
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Maxis Communication Berhad (MCB) is planning to list only Maxis Malaysia, so the news seems pretty clear to all.

So, it will be a direct competitor to DiGi and Axiata. Previous privatised company was MCB.

That's the reason why I derived the listing price to be about 5MYR not MYR7 or MYR12-15 as many has expected. Malaysia operations is very competitive, profit margin is slim and Malaysia market is not that big.

Axiata was nearing MYR7 (post de-merger) and now still trading MYR3


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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Sep 22 2009, 12:20 AM)
Maxis Communication Berhad (MCB) is planning to list only Maxis Malaysia, so the news seems pretty clear to all.

So, it will be a direct competitor to DiGi and Axiata. Previous privatised company was MCB.

That's the reason why I derived the listing price to be about 5MYR not MYR7 or MYR12-15 as many has expected. Malaysia operations is very competitive, profit margin is slim and Malaysia market is not that big.

Axiata was nearing MYR7 (post de-merger)  and now still trading MYR3
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I raised this issue, because any price of MCB privatisation last time or how much was MCB price is irrelevant to current Maxis Malaysia issue as some forumers keep on asking back how much MCB price was. smile.gif

Price is never an issue, and not a gauge of any valuation because it depended how much share being issued.

It is the ability of earning in term of EPS that determine how IPO price or a share price should be.

Just like Airasia share is issued at Par value of Rm0.10, so IPO price become RM1.xx.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 22 2009, 12:35 AM)
I raised this issue, because any price of MCB privatisation last time or how much was MCB price is irrelevant to current Maxis Malaysia issue as some forumers keep on asking back how much MCB price was.  smile.gif 

Price is never an issue, and not a gauge of any valuation because it depended how much share being issued.

It is the ability of earning in term of EPS that determine how IPO price or a share price should be.

Just like Airasia share is issued at Par value of Rm0.10, so IPO price become RM1.xx.
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true, if the par value like sh|t, then it will be penny stock. KNM, SAAG, AirAsia are some of the popular exaamples.

To be in FBM-30, MCB will ensure the par stays at RM1.00, so MYR5 is just nice entry price. I will not go for IPO, wait for the opening day will be much fun. Buy on DIP.


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I think the chances of getting the IPO is like striking 4D smile.gif
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QUOTE(Mikey268 @ Sep 22 2009, 11:22 PM)
I think the chances of getting the IPO is like striking 4D smile.gif
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Don't worry, much higher than that...

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