Most teachers waste their time by giving exam and asking questions which are intended to discover what a student doesnt know, whereas the true art of questioning has its own purpose of discover what a man capable of knowing..Maybe the way to score well in exam is to know what u shouldnt know and dont know...Weird Education....SHould goverment somehow implement a policy to replace some role education play in this society???WHy spend 15 to 20 years on study in school just to get a secure job??? Learn things that is meaningless and most probably couldnt be apply in job...facing book full of words which tend to be memorized than understand....I sugguest a policy than a kid should work in a protected condition....Experience is always better off than what we learn in school

1000% agree with u!

This is more like Education Essential content than LhD Lab content.

Still,what you say it's true.We are pretty forced to memorise the whole book till you know everything in that book but dont have any soff or people skills that employers actually looking for.

The best example would be Pendidikan Moral in high school.Absolute rubbish.

Good Morning...logged in this morning and saw the title has been changed from "The Science Lab" to "PhD School".

Okie...let's look at Malaysia’s progress in education since our (Is it ours? Or it belongs to certain race?) country gained Independence in 1957.

What I'm going to say would be a knack sensitive to certain individuals but what I'm going to pen here is just my piece of mind.

Primary school? Secondary school? National school? Vernacular school? These aren't worth to mentioned. There are certain nincompoops who think that our education system has absolutely no need to change...It's still running albeit a little bit ~!@#$%^&* up, why want to change it's course?

But, of course, life isn't rainbows and sunshines...Life's is not fair. We are not playing "Monopoly" board game where everyone gets $200 at Start. Yes, life likes to kick yu in the balls. No point grieving over it because it a vicious cycle. Would I be getting used to it? To tell yu the truth, YES. I'm sick and tired of that some people have had better opportinities than me.

Hey, 5% discounts for house purchasing? That's ~!@#$%^&* fair. Implementation of 30% quota? That's really ~!@#$%^&* nice. UiTM? WHOA~~~That's really thoughtful.
Hey, if yu don't like what we are doing, heck! it, just leave. All this for the exchange of citizenship??!! Yu got to be kidding me, right? Is Article 153 questionable? NOPE. Unless the Government's table is turned.

On my other note, I'm not some leftist or anything nor I'm a ~!@#$%^&* PhD holder. I'm just a regular Malaysian who wishes to eat roti canai in the morning and a cup of Kopi-O.

Back in the 80's, I still remember me and my other classmates who had to borrow our textbooks through Skim Pinjaman Buku Teks (SPBT), do they still have that? Anyway, for the bright ones and the shallow ones as years passes by...who will have the opportunities to enrol into MARA junior science colleges, bumiputera boarding schools, or even Matrikulasi?

If life were fair, what would happened? What would have possibly happened? Denial after denial...we are taken as a second class citizens. Don't yu know that after years living in Malaysia? Am I emotional for these denials? Not entirely. But what ticks me off is the wastage of talents and brilliance of fellow Malaysian. Brain drain, anyone?

Recently the ASMB's shares? Look at the percentage allocation of shares to Bumiputera and non-bumiputera. It's on the newspapers. Closed tenders to Bumiputera contractors? It's well opened news. So what's the hidden agenda, huh? Transparency? It goes down in the drain.

It's ALL ABOUT CHANGE.

There are certain steps which can be considered in regards of hiring good English teachers. Don't tell me the Government doesn't have enough funding. It's all ~!@#$%^&* crap. Incentives can be given, training and development can be implemented, what about hiring those who retired but still have the passion and ability to teach science and mathematics properly in English?

Yes. It's ALL ABOUT CHANGE.

The change of the system. It can be improve and ameliorate. Curriculum can be cleaned up and revamped. Encourage critical thinking and the sense of curiousity both in the class and outside activities. Not some figure crunching, text memorising living zombies.

Aaaahhhhh...if only our Government change. Change in the education system. For those ~!@#$%^&* ignorant minded individual piece of shit who think that our education system is on the right track, yu ought to be shot in the head.

Although our education system is ~!@#$%^&* up, it's advisable that yu get a basic education. Find a way to weave your future. It took me 3 times of application to enrolled in a local private University with a scholarship couple of years back. It very much ticked me off but it served as an experience.

Unless yu are one of the "elites" in our society, yu can bid goodbye to good education. HG Wells once said "It is not exaggerating to say that human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. If we continue to leave vast sections of the people of the world outside the orbit of education, we make the world not only less just, but also less secure."

Regards, Joey

p.s: Thread Starter, your mentality is totally wrong. No matter how bitter our lives would be, education plays an importance in our lives.

15 to 20 years of education IS NOT JUST FOR SECURING A JOB.

Endless years of education IS FOR ACQUIRING KNOWLEDGE and BETTER UNDERSTANDING.


This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Aug 3 2009, 04:43 PM

I am mentioning about our education ...u need to be clear the purpose of our education..how our people treat education as???...I am not blaming the goverment...but our mindset toward education...that screw our brain...tat education...I had been discussing it a lot with global ppl...their view and my view...i lazy to write everything about it ..but i just write my understanding about knowledge

Knowledge...Ledge of knowing..tats it...Understandledge....ledge of understanding...which sometimes ppl call it equation
I was wondering...Knowledge is power of?? Knowing for me doesnt bring any meaning in life...I think that what is important in our life is understanding
Do u know how many equation there is for physics subject in my high school??
18 ...and based on those 18, i need to study entire 500 pages...and i still got a bad grade for tat...And then, i was outrage one day...sawing one of my fren who had a best grade in school for pyhsics and actually doesnt even have a proper physics reference book where as i got 4 -5 ...All i could conclude is tat he is indeed a smart ass
From tat day onward, i always get close to him, trying to find out what secret lie behind him...because student always wish to find shortcut in study...
At the end, i think i found one...shortcut indeed been discover
I found tat i'm actually an apple collector, where as he is an apple planter..or we can call him farmer...Apple symbolize knowledge...everyday we student's duty is to collect as many apple as u can from everywhere so tat we could score well in exam...But my little smart fren doesnt need it, he just need to sit down there waiting the apple drop from the tree...The tree symbolize equation...generating a lot lot apple...And u know wat, apple do get rotten...so at the end of the day...i still got to collect the same standard of apple to increase my quantity...I am very tired of collecting ....i am so jealous my fren just sit down there and he get more apple than mine

My theory is tat understandledge or equation generate more knowing...where as knowledge is just a product of it...Knowledge is power?? I dont think so
Sometimes old man in the market said : u just need to know few things in life which is better to be an experience...it is simple but it perform better than wat u learn in school.
When i intepret it in different meaning, he actually talking about equation(experience is the combination of knowledge and understandledge)
THe most valuable life is thinking not to know but to understand

Do yu need a crutch?

Your case is applicable to the admission of bumiputera in the higher learning institutions. They have the "privileges". UiTM? Sounds familiar? Matrikulasi? Sounds better than STPM? But all these institutions are churning nothing but ~!@#$%^&* craps? Yu do the guessing.

Have yu heard of the saying "A bad carpenter blames his tools?" How true it is to yu?

Let me ask yu a very straight forward question: Would yu DISCOURAGE/HINDER your child/children to get basic schooling/knowledge? Yes or No?

Regards, Joey

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Aug 3 2009, 12:05 PM

compared to the days i was in school ( early 90's) i can honestly say the education system improved alot! students are more open to new ideas and have nice debate with their teachers. back in my days the teacher is the absolute truth. if you even dare question time get ready for some unfair grading during exams.

i dunno why people still wanna whack the edu system so much. all this BS about abolishinng exams and what not. if you stop giving them exams how can you gauge their knowledge? like it for not memorising is part of education. nothing wrong with that.

btw

learn things that are meaningless? what do you mean by that. no knowledge is meaningless. only useless people who fail to see the significance of it in real day to day usage.

i disagree with you TS.

I am 20...way to young to have child...i wont discourage the children to get basic schooling...THIS it not about unfair treatment we received, if goverment change , i don think they aware of the problem in education, i think they would just make everyone equal...WHy we go school???coz my parents cannot teach me and need go to work...SCHOOL IS GOOD SOLUTION

Knowledge is everywhere
I wonder why german kids study 5 hours in school...all they did is socialize and play...but they still manage to produce a huge number of philosopher and scientist...same go to US...The country that so obsess by intellectual and genius that they do anything to lock them in AREA 51 ....how come they dont implement our education in their country...STPM, very very hard oh, malaysian said only smart can overcome....WTF country like US, german, france, UK, australia doest take a look at it??? THey had always known for their best quality in education...AYa, u try figure out urself la ...human is superior because of discovery knowledge or installment of knowledge???
I aslo felt the same way u did for the unfair treatment by goverment...all those scholarship stuff...but i think this is nothing to do with the origin purpose of education

if we're talking about the problem of student not really learning because we're memorizing more than understanding, then I'd say the problem isn't really about our education system per se but also the society. This exam oriented education that we have today has lots of pro and cons

the thing about exam is that it is tangible, can be seen and gauged by everyone. The parents want it because it is a proof that either their child has done something in school or the school has been doing their job. Teacher needs it to see whether his pedagogy worked or not and whether he should change into something else. The administration needs it to administer their teachers.

on its own, our curricular and exam is GOOD, but the overemphasize on exams and wrong emphasis of the curricular is BAD. With the parents and administrator racing to collect As, students are shoved with information and required to just vomit everything out again during exam. Just for the As, whether they understand or not does not matter.

I'm taking TESL myself and I find the fact that literature classroom in our country is very sad indeed. Literature is supposed to be appreciated and not dissected into points of data per se.

however I'm not against our system of education, I do believe that almost all the subjects offered in our primary and secondary school isn't that bad. I doubt that a child would know what to learn at such early a stage in their life. I consider education really starts at tertiary education because only then would a child know his/her path. If everyone would just drop the obsession with the exams in school, our school isn't that bad at all I'd say. At least teachers are able to do more than teaching with less stress and observation from the higher ups.

get rid of the exam obsession I'd say.

Is this just a sorry excuse for failing your exams?

I think that we should abolish the process of attending classes too. A person should be able to get a Doctorate from Yale by just sending in his fee. I mean why mess with all of that stuff in between. It doesn't make much difference does it? I mean what does one really learn anyway?

As a matter of fact let's just do away with school altogether. You get a degree at birth and then sort of muddle through. That seems about right.

Screw knowledge, it's all subjective anyway isn't it?

Let's just all become lefties and work together for the common good. We can all starve together. What a trip.

actually i wanted to say that but i might risk hurting TS feeling. i notice that the people who complained about how "poor" our ed system is the same person who FAILS to make the grade. blaming the system for their shortcoming.

"ooooooo.. malaysian system no friendly to ADHD/asperger people like me"

i think that is kinda sad. mayeb you need to read on the Scientologist was of teaching. they believe that you MUST NOT force your kid to study. Must allow them to choose their own path. that way they will allegedly able to hone their natural skill

what a load of bs

of the many jobs out there, how will you know which you want? try each one out for 1 month? many job cannot be experienced in a month. what job can you give a 7 year old? what happens when you choose a job, worked at it for 2-3 years then decide you want something else without basic education?

do you think the 1st 15 years of education up to PMR as worthless information? all of it should be considered general basic knowledge that everyone should know.

By knowing what the student doesn't know, the teacher can help that student. Exam also helps to solidify knowledge in a student because a student usually won't want to remember facts unless s/he is examined. An exception would be a student who is passionate in that particular subject. But many young children don't have such passion as they find it hard to understand the merits of learning. So how do you build a foundation for them?In an exam, you should know what you should know and that would be the topics covered in the syllabus.

<<SHould goverment somehow implement a policy to replace some role education play in this society>>
You are being very ambiguous here without stating the cause, effect or method of solving. Do you mean by making some informal education formal? e.g. making a syllabus on what to wear and what not to wear?

<<WHy spend 15 to 20 years on study in school just to get a secure job??? Learn things that is meaningless and most probably couldnt be apply in job..facing book full of words which tend to be memorized than understand....I sugguest a policy than a kid should work in a protected condition....Experience is always better off than what we learn in school>>
But things like ABC and counting 123 can't be taught in the industry. They will have no time to teach you all these, therefore you have specialised institutions for formal education and they are called schools/colleges/polytechnics/universities. And these skills are crucial for living in the modern world. Imagine what problems an illiterate person will face: he won't be able to keep his money in the bank, he won't be able to work in many industries thus his job prospects are limited, and he won't be able to use the computer or handphone, which are almost indespensible today.

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Aug 3 2009, 09:31 PM

have u been to any of these countries or gathered on how they run their education system? our education system is almost the exact same copy of UK's. it's the same template, same content level, same method of delivery. perhaps the only thing different is the actual content itself.

schools are for u to establish ur basics. whether u can become a genius who'll create the next fuel type for world energy needs depends on where u go for tertiary education.

To add on,the goverment make some subject a must in university for IPTS just to reach and been acknowledge by LAN.We've learn moral since standard 1 i think,till to uni,we are still learning moral.

Now someone get my points...thx u...i am totally agree with u....others forget it...LOL...Maybe malaysian communicate differently...always take my statements offensively...SENSITIVe...just keep telling me what is right and wrong...tell me what i need to know...why not tell me about ur reason and opinion???

Isnt this a discussion??

This post has been edited by communist892003: Aug 4 2009, 02:50 AM

no, it's not that we're sensitive. it's ur insensitivity that irks us. if a carpenter fails, he should blame himself not the tool. that's assigning the problem where it's worth. if u cant dance, dont blame the irregular floor.

u implied that STPM is not as worthy as A-levels or other overseas certificates. but it has been established that STPM is recognized worldwide as equivalent to A-levels and can be used to gain direct entry to a degree course. ur failure to recognize STPM urges us to question ur judgment over the rest of the matter.

Wow, SUPER sarcastic =)


Anyways, yesh the education system in msia is a bit weird to be honest. But doesn't mean that what we're learning at useless and obsolete. Why the frequent tests? Why asking us things we do not know? If there were no frequent tests, we'll probably slack ourselves dumb. Besides, test is a tool to show the level of your understanding in a particular field. Why asking us things we do not know? Cos it'll be pointless to ask us something we know.

There are places and spots in the education system worth reviewing. Eg. I'm totally against pendidikan moral. Enough said why, I'm sure we all know why From kindy to uni, we're gathering knowledge, understanding, and applying. You might feel you're inefficiently harvesting now, then you should do something bout it. Physics for example, understand the core concepts, and apply it. It's not simply just remembering theories and equations.

Well, I reckon the education system is still alright. Just some places that I'm not satisfied with, but hey! Nothing is perfect right? =) Study smart instead of hard. btw i'm same age as u and I'm in uni. Loving all the things I'm studying. =) Cos I need those knowledge for my job in future.


*STPM is harder than A-levels, according to many students*

Exams are an objective task to measure the ability of an individuals learning skills as well as commitment.

It is simply a test to show who is capable of memorizing and who is not capable of memorizing regardless of the subject.

The subject at hand does not matter. The ability to think on your feet and memorize is what does matter.

If you can't take the time to strengthen your memorization skills or even your common sense skills, then you can't be a productive member of society.

For instance, some people don't even need to study because of what the individual learned in the past and what the individual has memorized from the teachers lecture. Mixed with the ability to think on your feet and cross out ridiculous answers and guess at the ones that are most probable are the students that excel.

Schooling also tests the students will power to learn and understand information that is boring. Do you honestly think as an individual everything you encounter in life is going to be fun to memorize?

The student needs to learn how to memorize information that is boring to them.

It is called learning how to learn and critically thinking skills. If you can't pass a simple question and answer form, then you have problems.