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TScommunist892003
post Aug 3 2009, 07:48 AM, updated 17y ago

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6000 years ago most of us were destined to be slave to death...Some were destined to be KING...Determinism or Free will is better off to explain this phenomena???


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post Aug 3 2009, 08:27 AM

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pardon??? So what is ur opinion??? U believed in free will or determinism which religion usually claim to be true???
Is sound kinda absurb for me to believe determinism...And do u understand the meaning of determinism or free will??
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post Aug 3 2009, 10:47 AM

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Determinism : Determinism is the view that every event, including human cognition, behavior, decision, and action, is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences.[1] With numerous historical debates, many varieties and philosophical positions on the subject of determinism exist from traditions throughout the world.
Simple explanation: U are destined to do something, nothing will change..IF u could somehow know u going to die at age 100, nothing will change the fact



Free will:The question of free will is whether, and in what sense, rational agents exercise control over their actions and decisions. Addressing this question requires understanding the relationship between freedom and cause, and determining whether the laws of nature are causally deterministic. The various philosophical positions taken differ on whether all events are determined or not — determinism versus indeterminism — and also on whether freedom can coexist with determinism or not — compatibilism versus incompatibilism. So, for instance, 'hard determinists' argue that the universe is deterministic, and that this makes free will impossible.
The principle of free will has religious, ethical, and scientific implications. For example, in the religious realm, free will may imply that an omnipotent divinity does not assert its power over individual will and choices. In ethics, it may imply that individuals can be held morally accountable for their actions. In the scientific realm, it may imply that the actions of the body, including the brain and the mind, are not wholly determined by physical causality. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.
Simple explanation: ur destiny is on ur hand, ur fate cannot be determined by something


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post Aug 3 2009, 12:49 PM

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Agree, therefore we are not more a slave because we fight back...therefore democracy existed...no one believe a person is destined to be leader will be leader forever...every decision we make count
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post Aug 4 2009, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 4 2009, 04:11 AM)
Hmm.  hmm.gif

From the definition here, 'determinism' seems to have the same concept as 'destiny'.

In Islam, we must believe in 'destiny'. That means what has happened, is already being destined by God.
We donno our destiny, we just do by 'free will' and the end results is actually our 'destiny'.
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All i can believe is that God know where we're heading, but doesnt mean a word of prophet or fortune teller is reliable....Well, i prefer both of them
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post Aug 5 2009, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(Thinkingfox @ Aug 4 2009, 05:41 PM)
If you're talking about the religious aspect of free-will versus determinism...

Some say what we do has already been destined by God. Therefore, if what we do has been destined by God, then God cannot blame us for our sins because He is the one who has decided our actions, including sinning.

Some other people say that God gave us a free will, whereby we will have to follow what God wants us to do through the words of a prophet and/or a holy book and that we will be judged according to how we live our lives in the end times. Some say that a problem with that idea is that if it is true, then we should not be judged by people because God will judge us and since nobody is perfect, people should not judge us.

The debate for this is still on-going.
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post Aug 5 2009, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Aug 5 2009, 11:21 AM)
given your logic on the last paragraph.

Christians thinks Jesus is god, Muslims thinks Jesus is not.

There goes your suffering due to opposition.

Who's going to hell?
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Why not try to think outside the box, non of them is right or wrong...GOd is just, and then what for he allowed so many religions existed in this world??? Why not strike the lighting destroyed the temple or chambers???

My theory is because it has something to do with truth...absolute truth...The absolute truth is that there isnt any absolute truth...If it does existed, no man on earth is near to the absolute truth...So u think christ is the best and the rigtheous??? The world doubt would doubt it

IF we certain of something, will truth still existed?? For me truth can neither be secure or proven like fact did, like science did...Truth tell how it should be , while fact tell what it is...Sometimes i think truth had similarities with health...If truth had a name for it and ppl could name it, non of us would drift away from it...i guess exercise require to maintain a good health....Or we could call it truth...What would u maintain if u know u just going to die at age 100??? Would u still maintain ur health or believe??

Uncertainty is the beginning of truth i believed, Uncertainty provide us the capacity to lie about something, as well for us to seek truth of something....Truth is the beauty in the world of uncertainty, Lies Too....Truth might as well hurt the most, Lies too....That my opinion

 

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