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 Stock Market V36: Return of the Bull, Part IV, Bull defies Newton's Law of Gravity

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post Aug 3 2009, 11:04 AM

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fkli and fcpo really geng chow
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post Aug 3 2009, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 3 2009, 11:16 AM)
So lemme introduce:

Peinsama, Futures broker from OCBC

Adam, Futures broker from OSK

so next time 2 of you can 'chit choh chit choh'

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Eh nolah...Adam more experience and he's a senior. I'm just a junior CMSR.
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post Aug 3 2009, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 3 2009, 11:36 AM)
i'm a new trader taking own risks

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but i look forward to see more Brokers in LYN

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Errr.....numbers of brokers which would give you a diverse thoughts on your trades especially futures?


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post Aug 3 2009, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 3 2009, 12:13 PM)
every traders here have something for me to learn from, and i definitely would like to listen to diverse thoughts not just futures but the entire stock market.

of course i would be glad to hear from you brokers to share for more insights, that I may know something new from.

but i will trade on my discretion.

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Fair enough. Well, im still learning as well, so novice advise is what i can offer at this rate.

Dei, of course trade is at your discretion. We are bind to the rules and regulation, which could inflict 'awesome' punishments if we are to enter your orders at our discretion.

brb lunch..
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post Aug 3 2009, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 3 2009, 01:08 PM)
Don'T you think Future is a good tool to hedge against future bull  ?

It could be  better tool to invest ( buy long ) than to "trade ".

Just my view only. I have not even started yet.
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To be honest, i'd yet to see or heard any people doing such strategy, but in books or theories, its advisable to do so.

If im not mistaken, if the underlying index is bullish which could imply that the acquisition would be more expensive for purchase, futures is used to cover the extra cost. I'm still questioning and wondering, whether this strategy is consider a hedging.

True, from my observation this far, many actually prefer to keep their long position rather than completing a trade. Just like last month contract, there are clients hold their long position since 103- level or more and closed their transaction with the settlement price at the end of the month of July, which is of course more than 100 ticks of profit.

I see. No worries, you got ample of time to decide to play futures.
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post Aug 3 2009, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 3 2009, 02:22 PM)
I have a friend hold his contract at 1068pt (the MP of the first working day of July) and sold off at settlement price at the end of July.
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That's a lucrative amount right there. So, what's your plan for August?
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post Aug 3 2009, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 3 2009, 02:29 PM)
For KLCI traders, external or internal events may encourage the KLCI to swing wildly... may cause substantial losses especially for hedgers. (if a person were to cut loss, it would be called speculating rather than hedging wouldn't it?)
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You are right, any swing, provided that FKLi is moving in tandem with the market, it will cause substantial losses. Regarding the speculating and hedging, im not sure which is fit, but for futures traders or players, most of them are speculating and yes, including cutting their losses.


QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 3 2009, 02:30 PM)
Thanks for your advice.

Well, I just thinking if a new trader like me running in and out all the times ( future ) , the chances of getting caught are very high.

Why not I just buy on dip and keep the future contract for a longer duration since we are yet to call the market , bull run.

Take profit only when it is necessary, without having to predict whether the market would be up or down the next day.
I try to do it , my own way, no theory book to support. shakehead.gif
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True. Too early to call it a bull run, in my opinion. Most of the futures players in my company play according to the system given to them. For example, signal given by Grand Pine.

Yes, take profit but just be extra cautious if the market moves against your original position.

Yeah, eventually you would prefer your own techniques and strategies since you have your own financial planning. Books are for us to pass the examinations laugh.gif


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post Aug 3 2009, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 3 2009, 02:30 PM)
Ya, lucrative amount, he went for 2 contracts in fact  brows.gif
I read the newspaper and it says CI is possible to rise up to 1250 in the months to come (possible this month)?

I'm just trying to see how it goes. Haven't decided yet.
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Awesome.

I cannot give my 2 cents on this one. Since im still new, i still coping for daily movements instead on weekly and monthly. Will try when i'm more experience and zen with the market laugh.gif

Alright, all the best then.

QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 3 2009, 02:34 PM)
My thoughts...

Don't normally see small time retail speculators hold overnight, most speculators would opt for intraday...

must be really careful when institutional clients rollover their positions at the end of the month, price may flactuate rapidly.
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If not intraday, most of them will close somehow later perhaps the next few days depending on the volatility. Rarely see clients hold till the final day of contract. Unless they are uber confident and fine with any losses made to them.

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 3 2009, 02:37 PM)
One lot is not too high a risk to try.

It could be rewarding too.
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True, but still i would be cautious since after all, its your loot. But yeah, no harm to try.


Added on August 3, 2009, 2:49 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 3 2009, 02:44 PM)
I know someone lost over 200K in one week. All conditions and timing looked bullish  to invest  except 9/11 happened.

A true story.
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Yes, corporate client especially in FCPO trading. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

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post Aug 3 2009, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 3 2009, 02:45 PM)
Grand Pine is the company where I bought my futures software system
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I see. Well, most of the clients here follow the system. So...yeah, that's pretty much about it, compare to the ones i handle who lost his money every single day. T.T
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post Aug 3 2009, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 3 2009, 02:51 PM)
I believe in a Chinese Saying :-

If you are too much involved in anything , the frequency of it , you become blinded.

Staying away at the sideline, you have a better vision.

That is sometimes called long term investing. thumbup.gif
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And long term planning too thumbup.gif
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post Aug 3 2009, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 3 2009, 02:58 PM)
WE are here to share our views.

No one is right all the times.

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Yup, true. Its naise to be able to see tonnes of views here. cheers.gif

QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 3 2009, 02:59 PM)
Oh ya forgot to ask what the inital margin now for FKLI and FCPO and where to find the information...

long time liau totally forgotten where to find it.
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FKLI = Rm 3500 per contract

FCPO = RM 7000 per contract
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post Aug 3 2009, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 3 2009, 03:04 PM)
so cheap! no wonder everyone is going in now tongue.gif
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Hehe.

A tick in FKLI = RM 50, 1/2 = Rm 25

A tick in FCPO = Rm 25



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post Aug 3 2009, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 3 2009, 03:09 PM)
i mean the intial margin...

way back when...

FKLI IM was around 8K, CPO was 11K or smthing ..
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Wow, serious? No wonder you said cheap.
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post Aug 3 2009, 06:43 PM

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Dj futures so cantik
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post Aug 4 2009, 06:17 AM

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Dj up 114+ points.
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post Aug 4 2009, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 4 2009, 06:52 AM)
Yeah.. S&P broke through 1000 and maintain through closing.
The bulls are unstoppable now. All bears now are at the edge of extinction.
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On the agricultural commodities side, overnight soybean oil rose 248 points. O.O
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post Aug 4 2009, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(ts1 @ Aug 4 2009, 08:54 AM)
tday will sell some cpo again  rclxms.gif
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If it opens higher today, syok la those people who long.
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post Aug 4 2009, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 4 2009, 09:17 AM)
You mean the majority short ? the minority long ?

Hope to learn from you.
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I believe the Dalian Commodity Exchange for palm oil and soy oil could set the tone for today.

So i will keep an eye on this FCPO for today due to overnight soybean rose 248 points. If figures are still going good, will be very likely that people will go for long instead of short. But then, im just afraid if the demand is rising high, and output is less than expected, it could be overbought. So, will keep an eye for further upcoming news on FCPO production.

Im just a novice, i think Adam is much more experienced and his insights is valuable.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 4 2009, 09:33 AM)
Thanks for info.

Anything has to do with oil, China is buying.

Sarawak is facing production problem also.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...6889&sec=nation
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Same goes for Sabah's palm oil output.

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post Aug 4 2009, 10:33 AM

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FCPO....wow

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