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post Jul 30 2009, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(Toriton @ Jul 29 2009, 08:44 AM)
after this we can transfer all our environmental polluting industries to Mars... so that greener earth can be achieved  thumbup.gif
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Wouldn't that be polluting as well? Stop destroying other planets with our shits.

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If you want to focus on researching to travel at speed of light,why not start with ion engines first.If it works,go even faster.Things just dont happen over night like suddenly you have a light speed traveling capable engines and you just have jet engines yesterday.

Indeed. You have to have a stepping stone to move forward, and if there's no research being done, how are we gonna find the place to step?
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post Jul 30 2009, 07:20 PM

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There is an alternative energy method, which is much superior than nuclear, and it doesn't emit radioactive wave. It's call fusion technology. The disadvantage is that, if uncontrolled, it may end up consume everything. An even better option is cold fusion, which eliminate that risk. The only challenge is that it require extremely high start-up energy, once it start, it takes little energy to maintain.

The whole idea of space exploration isn't just about finding habitatable environment for human race. But also about discovering other civilization, hoping to learn about their evolution, and perhaps some useful technology/history which could help us. Mars exploration means a lot. By understanding simple thing like how the weather changes, planet movement, it could help us to understand earth better.
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post Jul 30 2009, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(Aurora @ Jul 30 2009, 07:20 PM)
There is an alternative energy method, which is much superior than nuclear, and it doesn't emit radioactive wave. It's call fusion technology. The disadvantage is that, if uncontrolled, it may end up consume everything. An even better option is cold fusion, which eliminate that risk. The only challenge is that it require extremely high start-up energy, once it start, it takes little energy to maintain.

The whole idea of space exploration isn't just about finding habitatable environment for human race. But also about discovering other civilization, hoping to learn about their evolution, and perhaps some useful technology/history which could help us. Mars exploration means a lot. By understanding simple thing like how the weather changes, planet movement, it could help us to understand earth better.
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Fusion is definitely the answer to space travel,but the problem is,ITER is still having financial isuues.The research is pretty much halted now.

What a waste.
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post Jul 30 2009, 07:59 PM

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i tot the wormhole theory already been exposed izzit? yeah its already been revealed ^^

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post Jul 30 2009, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 30 2009, 07:51 PM)
Fusion is definitely the answer to space travel,but the problem is,ITER is still having financial isuues.The research is pretty much halted now.

What a waste.
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Research still go on in small institution, like university research, except that at small scale. It's still in development, except that it's not that transparent to public.
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post Jul 30 2009, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Aurora @ Jul 30 2009, 08:11 PM)
Research still go on in small institution, like university research, except that at small scale. It's still in development, except that it's not that transparent to public.
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Yes,but didnt they need a huge reactor to test it?
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post Jul 30 2009, 08:22 PM

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The theories behind fusion and cold fusion myth is pretty clear already. For fusion, its just that a critical self sustaining reaction have yet to be achieve, therefore fusion reactions so far resulted in NET LOSS of energy. Only successful fusion reactions which yielded a net gain would be in hydrogen bombs. Which is .... erm ...... not suitable if you want to harness energy.

There isn't any REAL theory on cold fusion. at all. only in fiction. yet ... biggrin.gif

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post Jul 31 2009, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 30 2009, 07:51 PM)
Fusion is definitely the answer to space travel,but the problem is,ITER is still having financial isuues.The research is pretty much halted now.

What a waste.
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this is what i mean... due to financial issue, some research already been stopped/ halted... don't u guys think that research is also important? Yes, its important... but how important it is compared to other research... let say the research on fusion is in the top 10... others are just at the bottom 10. But due to financial problem... the stop the important research and continue with the one which is less important.

not sure how they prioritize those research... based of financial or its potential...


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QUOTE(Aurora @ Jul 29 2009, 10:58 PM)
Space technology rank as the pioneer of technology evolution in the world. All of our household item are the result of development of space technology. Non-stick coating on our frying pan, wireless communication, television, GPS, ball pen, etc. Imagine a world without satelite and everything run on wire.
are u referring to Teflon? i though Teflon is accidentally discovered while they doing research on new CFC refrigerant... unsure.gif


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post Jul 31 2009, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Toriton @ Jul 31 2009, 08:20 AM)
this is what i mean... due to financial issue, some research already been stopped/ halted... don't u guys think that research is also important? Yes, its important... but how important it is compared to other research... let say the research on fusion is in the top 10... others are just at the bottom 10. But due to financial problem... the stop the important research and continue with the one which is less important.

not sure how they prioritize those research... based of financial or its potential...


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are u referring to Teflon? i though Teflon is accidentally discovered while they doing research on new CFC refrigerant...  unsure.gif
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It was stopped because ITER cost much more than LHC,just to build that reactor plant.Not because someone thinks it's not important.Fusion is pretty much a huge challenge,not just from scientific point of view,also from engineering point of view.It's something very difficult to design but we are getting there slowly.

I dont think anyone is puts researches on some ranking.

Most of the stuff we have today are discovered accidentally.

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post Jul 31 2009, 10:41 PM

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I haven't been following fusion news for 2-3 years already, I guess my info no longer vaild. hehe sweat.gif laugh.gif But anyway, I believe research is an on-going process at various university, just that it lack of publicity because it was not funded. Lack of fund doesn't mean research can't proceed, just that the development is more incline to theory, simulation and stuff like that. Maybe it's just me, but I do wish to get to know more about Mars in my lifetime. tongue.gif Pardon my optimistism. tongue.gif

Anyway, that is just my 2 cents.
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post Jul 31 2009, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jul 30 2009, 12:35 PM)
Idea of searching for other planets that may support our future need not depend on the ability to get in a short period of time. So what if it takes 10000 years to reach that destination. It is easier to build a huge spaceship that can support a thousand generations of humans than trying to beat the speed of light.
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was just reading about this, article questioned whether it would be ethical to 'condemn' your kids to being stuck in a tin can(as someone here put it) for the rest of their life(and their kids), never being to see greens and experience life on earth

anyway, this month's discover magazine(or was it next month, i dunno my college library sometimes get mags a week early), features space/space travel, very interesting read
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post Jul 31 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ngwinnie @ Jul 31 2009, 11:21 PM)
was just reading about this, article questioned whether it would be ethical to 'condemn' your kids to being stuck in a tin can(as someone here put it) for the rest of their life(and their kids), never being to see greens and experience life on earth

anyway, this month's discover magazine(or was it next month, i dunno my college library sometimes get mags a week early), features space/space travel, very interesting read
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Certainly motivation for such generation spanning travel will only arise when earth is no longer habitable. Surely it will then a matter of whether you get to fit everyone into such space ship.

Though I would consider it to be a privilege to be part of the pioneering humans when colonizing other planets.

 

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