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 Officially launched 2009, CBHD already leading BD, in China by 3 to 1. BD launched in 2008

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post Jul 27 2009, 02:34 PM, updated 17y ago

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Even though the future is Blue in most parts of the word, in appears as though government sponsored China is going red. Guess what that translate to Malaysian market? Another VCD scenario?

CBHD Leads Market Share over Blu-ray in China

That new HD format launched in China earlier this year has already overtaken the Blu-ray format. This can’t be sitting well with the Blu-ray crew considering the size of the Chinese market and the fact the CBHD only has one studio behind it.

CBHD seems to be doing much better against rival Blu-ray than its ill fated predecessor HD DVD. A recent report by a Japanese news station looking at CBHD format and its competition with Blu-ray confirms CBHD has a 3% market share lead on Blu-ray. The CBHD format launched in the first half of 2009, Blu-ray launched in China mid 2008.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/07/25/blu-r...ond-theater-of/

Just because Toshiba has given up on HD DVD and moved on, doesn't mean the format war is totally over for red. According to a report by a Japanese TV station, its successor, China Blue HD is actually leading Blu-ray in marketshare in that country. Of course, based on the article found by our friends at FormatWarCentral, all we have to go on is a machine translated description of a video in a language we don't speak describing the apparent initial success of the government backed format in a socialist republic. If you need more evidence than that to declare the format war officially restarted, you're probably a communist, but before we drag you in front of the Un-American activities committee check out the video for a peek at the slick new CBHD cases that The Onion will surely be shipping its videos in very soon.

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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6732410.ece

edited: not 3% but 3 to 1 player

China has unleashed a new “format war” for control of the high-definition DVD market in an audacious attempt to unseat the Blu-ray disc as the sole global standard.

The launch of the China Blue High-definition Disc (CBHD) for domestic use is viewed by analysts as a dramatic assertion of the country’s rising technological confidence and they believe that the format could mount a serious challenge to Blu-ray.

China’s gambit comes just 18 months after the Blu-ray Disc consortium — a 100-strong group of technology and media companies led by Sony — declared victory over the similarly sized HD-DVD Forum led by Toshiba. Warner Bros, whose support for Blu-ray was the deciding factor during the 2008 war, has said it will support the new format as the technology finds its feet.

The potential growth of the format in China has already become clear. In just a couple of months since it was launched, the cheaper all-Chinese CBHD players are thought to be outselling Blu-ray players at a rate of about three to one. The discs, priced at 50 yuan (£4.50), set consumers back about a quarter of the cost of a Blu-ray.

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Toshiba’s defeat last year followed a marketing showdown, allegations of giant payoffs and dirty tricks and an all-out charm offensive to win the support of the Hollywood studios. The sudden capitulation by HD-DVD cut short what might have been a long and expensive campaign in the VHS/Betamax mould.

But the sudden emergence of the CBHD this year has shattered the peace. Atul Goyal, technology analyst at CLSA, said: “You are looking at a technology that comes with the backing of the Chinese Government and has the power to win the support of the big studios if they sense it is a way to make money in China. Everyone thought the format war was dead, but it is clearly still alive.”

Toshiba confirmed that the CBHD format was based largely on technology developed for HD-DVDs and that it was “in a licensor-licensee relationship”.

China’s decision to back the new format — the Government owns the critical software — is understood to arise from a desire to protect its electronics industry from the royalty costs of using technology developed overseas. Chinese makers of ordinary DVD players have to pay about $22 per machine in royalty costs to a variety of patent holders; the dominance of Blu-ray would have condemned them to many more years of payments as that technology grew in market share.

The creation of a “home grown” format will fatten the margins of Chinese technology groups as Beijing pushes them to become internationally competitive.

From the perspective of Hollywood studios, meanwhile, the sale of movies on a cheap format may temporarily counteract the damage done by piracy.

CBHD was initially expected to flex its muscles as a format in China alone. Warner Bros has said that 100 titles will appear on the format by the end of this year and about 30 are already available.

But at least one other big Hollywood studio is understood to be considering support for CBHD, suggesting to some that it may creep out from China into neighbouring markets. CBHD players are available in Hong Kong and the cheaper format may prove attractive in other emerging markets in the region.

Although analysts believe that high- definition disc technology will only be a stopgap until the era of 100 per cent downloaded content, others believe that that time could be at least a decade away.

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post Jul 27 2009, 02:40 PM

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post Jul 27 2009, 03:07 PM

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Leading 3% in one single country that's full of imitation products.

Disney, Fox, Paramount/DreamWorks, Sony Columbia TriStar, Lionsgate, Warner is now in full-gear to support this CBHD. BD will die soon! laugh.gif tongue.gif
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post Jul 27 2009, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jul 27 2009, 03:07 PM)
Leading 3% in one single country that's full of imitation products.

Disney, Fox, Paramount/DreamWorks, Sony Columbia TriStar, Lionsgate, Warner is now in full-gear to support this CBHD. BD will die soon! laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Jul 27 2009, 02:39 PM)
CBHD = Chee Bye Hai Deaf?
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Bro, how you get ur elite status? By contributing smart remark like this? Be an example toward the kids la, we have younger generation here viewing the thread. Such an embarassment...
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post Jul 27 2009, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Jul 27 2009, 03:34 PM)
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thats just a report. there is no confirmation on the 3% market share lead. we wait for CBHD association to respond. Anyhow, i doubt other studios will jump on CBHD immediately with the %3 lead. Well unless China's communist government is talking to the big western studios "behind close doors" tongue.gif will the largest population therefore translating to the word largest market, the Chinese gomen has great power over corporations that want a piece of china's marketing pie. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jul 27 2009, 03:48 PM

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This format will neva be available anywhere else except in China. So dont worry or bother about it.... Its just a something their goverment came up with for who knows why
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QUOTE(wackojacko @ Jul 27 2009, 03:48 PM)
This format will neva be available anywhere else except in China. So dont worry or bother about it.... Its just a something their goverment came up with for who knows why
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we are kidding ourselve if we think BD is going to be mainstream selling at RM140 per movie. and with players with the price tag of over RM1000.

CBHD is selling at <>$7.25 - $10.15 in China = RM27-RM38. The price is basically cheaper than the Ori DVD that are selling at Speedy. Compare that to RM140 for BD per movie. Who do you think that malaysian public will go to. If i am Carrefor, Tesco, Giant, Jusco, CBHD will make way to the electronic department earlier than BD that is for sure.

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Ironically, Warner Bros. was the first Hollywood studio to jump on board the CBHD bandwagon, titles such as the Harry Potter series, Blood Diamond, Golden Compass and Speed Racer will be available for a mere 50-70 Yuan (approx $7.25 to $10.15).


CBHD is without DTS HD Master, everything else is the same

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ohh emmm gee, i think i am going to have some new toy to play with soon. my housemate just got transfered to China on a two year contract by Sime Darby rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Poseidon CBHD - Dolby Digital TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus

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Poseidon BD - Dolby Digital TrueHD ONLY

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post Jul 27 2009, 08:12 PM

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err..are those legalize fakes or what?
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jul 27 2009, 08:12 PM)
err..are those legalize fakes or what?
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Sorry, what is the capacity of the CBHD again?
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the format war will never end. best source or storage is hard disk or pen drive which can store any formats in the world, past present and future
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Jul 27 2009, 09:27 PM)
Sorry, what is the capacity of the CBHD again?
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double layer = 30GB.

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post Jul 27 2009, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jul 27 2009, 04:06 PM)
we are kidding ourselve if we think BD is going to be mainstream selling at RM140 per movie. and with players with the price tag of over RM1000.
That is the Malaysian scenario and will hamper BD going mainstream here. But BD is not limited to Malaysia only, in the West the cost of BDs and BDPs are very affordable.

I suspect that CBHDs are doing so well in China due to it being cheaper. The govt there can tilt the playing field towards CBHD by offering subsidies to it or impose taxes on BDs, basically some protectionist mechanisms. Anyway, it'll still be interesting to see how it develops.
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post Jul 28 2009, 01:00 AM

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so.... the CBHD is choong kok version of BRD
can it be played on normal BDP's or need its own hardware
how's the PQ n AQcompared to BD
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wow China format... got a feeling that tis format is popular there becoz of the pirates....
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post Jul 28 2009, 11:12 AM

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any demo can DL to compare against BD?
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China CDHD vs Japan BD ? tongue.gif

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