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Serious Making Cupid's Corner great, A serious discussion

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silverhawk
post Jul 27 2009, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 27 2009, 12:33 AM)
LOL. Let me tempt you into one of the deadly seven sins. Pride. Resist if you think you're up to it.

Guys, happy4ever is someone you must look up to otherwise your life sucks and you'll not be happy forever lol. laugh.gif
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post Jul 27 2009, 11:25 PM

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As far as I know, cupids corner serves 2 purposes

1) A place to seek advice/help on love/relationship related problems
This aspect is quite possibly taken for granted, instead of seeking help many people come in here to rant. Which in itself isn't so bad, but once you combine it with the intelligence of /k/ you get mindless topics and mindless posts. Its entertaining for a while then it becomes tiresome.

2) A place for people to mingle
This used to be in kopitiam, but I'm sure many people have shifted over to CC due to the crapfest that is kopitiam.
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post Jul 27 2009, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 27 2009, 11:25 PM)
This is not an easy problem to solve. In fact, it may be one of the great problems of the Internet Age:

http://www.cracked.com/article_16765_5-way...g-internet.html

I'm partial to the Karma idea under #4 in the above list. I think that works best given CC's current situation. But I doubt the LYN architecture allows for that.

But I would certainly support an initiative to move CC out of /k/. It's the least that can be done.
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I'm more partial to #3. If the community slowly stops allowing bullshit, it'll stop coming in. This reverse happened in RWI, where the standards dropped and relaxed enough for lesser minds to enter.
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post Jul 28 2009, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Jul 28 2009, 12:16 AM)
especially mods that have real knowledge in convincing people (attitude) and sense of humour (i know which is hard to comeby sad.gif ) other than a mod that seem to be like a robot which have no freindly interaction what so ever with fellow forummer other than, "your thread not related" closed, how boring is that =\
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Ever moderated a forum before? Its not easy to be both friendly and authoritative at the same time, especially when the members are so immature.
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post Jul 28 2009, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Jul 28 2009, 08:37 AM)
i'm talking about rooms for improvement not about whether it is easy or hard, mods are given authority to handle immature people with maturity unlike the rest of the forummer which doesn't neccesary need to be commited when things go bad
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Have the mods handled any case here immaturely? No? Then you have no case.


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post Jul 28 2009, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Jul 28 2009, 08:50 PM)
yes i do, but not only in CC rolleyes.gif

Most of the time mods actions are justified. As I said, you have to have some experience actually moderating a forum to understand why things are done sometimes. Only then you get a clear picture.

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but i'm just lazy to explain cause i'm not good at it lulz, plus it's more like a waste of time for now if i want to change internet people, i rather do in real life, changing myself first (which i hope you notice) and convincing people around me to do the same =)

I've noticed smile.gif

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post Jul 29 2009, 12:45 PM

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Wow, longest post by hobbes thus far laugh.gif I always like how you write when you get serious, as uneducated as you are laugh.gif

QUOTE(ac_N1 @ Jul 29 2009, 09:21 AM)
You doesn't treat someone else fairly or tease them due other things.
You consider yourself is better than others and look down upon them.
You are not considerate of others' feelings.
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You take everything too personally
You are immature
You are should be attacking the points raised, and not the ppl who raised the point.
You couldn't take criticism & handle your temper well

Your intention to make this a better place is good. But your attitude towards it and the usage of language is simply awful. The way you are handling your cases is not any better than those /k/tards out there.
Why don't you change yourself to a better you first before you convince others to do the same? Seriously this place won't turn into a better place when someone is running around spitting vulgar words.
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Granted that mr. poonani is rather crude, but I would say that in what he writes, there is a wealth of information in it. Should we ignore what he has to say, just because he is rude in his approach? Do you prefer weaker advice, as long as it is nice?
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post Jul 29 2009, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(ac_N1 @ Jul 29 2009, 12:51 PM)
You take that as an advive?
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Yes, because I can look pass the crudeness and see his point. While others like you, focus on the crude part and miss his points entirely. This sort of reaction reveals things to me, and I'm assuming it reveals things to mr. poonani as well.

For me, its a common technique I use sometimes to see why a person is in a discussion. If I can be crude and the person can ignore it to discuss the points involved, then it is obvious the person is in the discussion for the points and not for some personal agenda. When a person gets defensive over the "insults" its obvious that the person isn't open to new ideas, but thinks about their own personal issues first and foremost.
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post Jul 29 2009, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:05 PM)
"Being nice" is waaaaayyy over-rated.
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Yeap, its a bane in our current society. Being nice is a preferable, but we also need to know how to mix and handle people who aren't nice to us. It is essential to our social lives. If we only stick around people who are nice, or make people conform to our conceptions of nice, we're not being social creatures, we're being anti-social.
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post Jul 29 2009, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(ac_N1 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:32 PM)
I din mention his point doesnt mean i miss them out. I admit i did focus on the crude part as I personally think that ppl will respect you and take your opinion if you respect others.

Respect is not deserved, respect is earned.

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Well, i couldn't agree with you more. But but that only works with people who have trained their minds very well and can approach truth with some objectivity. But not me, I'm categorized in those 'under educated' and I cant use my mind like u do.
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That's bullshit. If as you say, the mind is trained, then why don't you train your mind like that? Why do you just give up? That, is a pathetic excuse.

QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jul 29 2009, 01:38 PM)
The problem here is that trolls in CC are not the ones seeking advice form him. He has come forward to lash out at their behavior and demands a change in CC. The people the Dickson needs to communicate with are those trolls who troll around.

I'm talking about his posts in the forums, not limited within this topic. Some of my posts are deemed to be rather rude as well, but a lot of the people here deserve it, and heck some even need it. Being nice simply plays into their comfort zone... it will not illicit change in it.

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Lets assume my mom is a thief. One day she catches me stealing and gives me a good lecture. But after that I continue to see her stealing. So what do I learn? It's indeed ok to steal.

So seriously it doesn't matter if there's a wealth of information in whatever he write. What we're telling him is that the people he wants to change aren't going to change if he continues acting the way he does.

This is not a question about following a weaker over the stronger advice or following the nice over the harsh.
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Do you really learn its ok to steal? No, you learn that your mom is a hypocrite. Perhaps you could say the same of mr. poonani, but that doesn't invalidate what he is saying. He doesn't have to be the one to actually lead the change, as long as he acts as the catalyst. He can be a hypocrite for all I care, but what he says makes sense. Those who can make changes will start to make changes.

I don't expect the trolls to change, you can't change people. What we can do, is make them feel unwelcome here, and they will go away by themselves.
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post Jul 29 2009, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Jul 29 2009, 02:19 PM)
It depends on the how effective is the lecture. If it make sense to me i will stop stealing...and even if she continue to steal...i wouldnt change my mind to think that stealing is ok. But so what do i learn? I learn that shes a hypocrite.

EDIT: silverhawk!!!!!!!!!!! why u always beat me to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post Jul 29 2009, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jul 29 2009, 02:30 PM)
I never said it invalidates what he says. I am saying it's not going to convince and steer the people he wants to. It's not silverhawk, teongpeng and people like you who can see his points points regardless how they are presented who he needs to reach out to but it's the people who troll, the people who sanction trolling and the people ever ready to flame.
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The problem lies in the assumption that he wants to change those people. I don't believe I ever seen him say he wants to change people.
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post Jul 29 2009, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Jul 29 2009, 03:25 PM)
then i dunno what he means by "then we must take on the responsibility of effecting it" if he doesn't want to change cc he won't create this thread rite ?
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He wants to change CC, but that doesn't mean he wants to change the trolls in it. There are more than simply trolls in here, and this topic is meant to be a discussion. There are many ways which we may help clean up CC a bit, and here is where we discuss them. I don't see why people are attacking his character rather than trying to turn this into a fruitful discussion.


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post Jul 29 2009, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 29 2009, 06:37 PM)
Just as I predicted. I knew this will happen.
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post Aug 1 2009, 12:49 PM

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Lets see how this works out smile.gif

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