ROFL!

You're trying really hard to derail and close this thread, aren't you?

Why? Does it threaten you that much?

It's quite revealing who the posters here are, who want things to remain the way it is because they feel that any change threatens their "lulz" and serenity.

No, moderators. Keep this thread OPEN.

<inappropriate language masked>

This post has been edited by samurai1337: Jul 29 2009, 08:14 AM

Pshaw, don't let them.

I've beaten pariah dogs before with my bare hands.

Let me tell you their behavior: these skinny cretins are very fierce and loud and they will automatically gang up on anybody or anything they think is weak or alone.

The first kick in the ribs will take all of them by surprise even as their friend sails through the air, and then when you grab the next one by the legs and dash it against the ground the rest will be running away so hard with their tails between their legs you can hardly chase them to catch them anymore.

Please don't insult people like Silverhawk, Tatsumaki, Duke Red, Deadlocks, Noob13, and dozens of other people here who have at one time or another who have actually taken the time to advise and help fellow posters here, in comparison with people who only post mindless nonsense.

You should be ashamed of yourself for saying shit like this.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 28 2009, 04:39 PM

Men, do you see those other forums out there in Lowyat.net?

Forums such as

1. Health and Fitness
2. Travel and Living
3. Careers
4. Education Essentials

We can make Cupid's Corner exactly like those places.

We can turn Cupid's Corner into a repository of real knowledge, to truly benefit people.

There are many people who fear such a change. When they open their mouths to protest you know why they do so.

Hobbes, thank you for taking the time to write out and elaborate on those points you've raised, which are indeed valid concerns.

Do allow me to address some issues you've raised.

First of all, elitism.

Elitism certainly exists here in this forum. It exists in the cadres and bands of Kopitiam people regularly making incursions here and posting nonsense just for laughs, because they are separate from the concerns of the members here and their own wants and needs for "lulz" over-rides any importance of having proper discourse in this forum. They are part of a privileged, "in" group of trolls and dupes who come in here to feel SUPERIOR to the people here.

Not all Kopitiam members are like this, of course. Only the ones who think that Cupids Corner should always remain a subordinate section of Kopitiam with no function or purpose of its own, because in that way CC shall remain always as their personal playgrounds.

Is this elitism? I think that it is.

Elitism also exists among the members of SC who confine themselves entirely to chat threads and who seldom venture out into the broader forum, because, in their own words, it is, and has always been "lame", and thus it is below them to even step foot in there. They are above such petty concerns, and they have already carved out a comfortable niche in these chat threads where everything is alright, and thus, by extension, everything else must also be just as it should be. They have extrapolated a picture of absolute serenity based on the condition of their comfortable little fiefdoms.

Is this not another form of elitism? I think it certainly qualifies.

Next, the imposition of conformity of thought and behavior on an entire forum population.

This is a knee-jerk reaction motivated only by fear and insecurity. There is so much diversity and differences in opinion here that such a thing would NEVER be possible. Any attempt to do so is bound to fail.

Creating structure and form and defining the purpose and direction of the forum does not necessarily automatically mean benefiting the few at the expense of the many. It does not mean one group coming into power at the expense of another. These are vulgar thought processes because they fail to look at things beyond their importance to the self. In short, this knee-jerk reaction is a selfish one motivated by insecurity and the fear of the loss of power.

Please ask yourself what sort of power or prestige you could truly lose in a forum.
Then ask yourself if that's as important as providing this section with more focus, filtering out the noise and chaff so that it fulfils the purpose it is meant to fulfil, which is NOT to be some person's personal playground or fiefdom.

Thirdly, we are not talking about "change", and that makes the necessity of a poll entirely superfluous. Please look back at my earlier posts. They are about

1. Providing form and structure
2. to cater to a diversity of opinions, perspectives and personal characters
3. to provide Cupid's Corner with more focus and direction rather than just "existing"
4. and we have not yet even discussed how this may yet be achieved
5. nevermind that it requires participation and collective effort from a BROAD number of people to make it happen

So please, less assumptions based entirely on knee-jerk reactions.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 28 2009, 06:52 PM

Interesting concept.

But why should I be beholden to sense and civility when others are not?

You've been here a longer time than me. You're familiar with the PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE methods of argumentation and obfuscation frequently used by your troll and dupe friends. You're certainly very familiar with their brute methods of argumentation by majority where they band together to pat each other on the back for statements as simple as "duh hu hu hu".

Now by comparison if I see something truly stupid beyond words I call it brainless AND I explain why.

Is that not more direct and honorable? It certainly leaves the other party the option of defending himself fairly and even returning the favor tenfold if I'm in the wrong.

Please my dear sir. Your bias and prejudice is showing rather transparently.

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Added on July 28, 2009, 7:08 pmBy the way, want to hear another form of elitism?

It is by people who rigorously push the idea that all points of views are equal and worth the same, just because they cannot discern quality.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 28 2009, 07:08 PM

Please don't act innocent.

I make a general statement about what we can do to improve CC and you make personal comments about how much time I supposedly have, and then you ask me how exactly *I* have changed as if that were relevant?

Don't pull a weasel tactic and then cry when people treat you like one. Don't cry about "attacking the points not the person" when that's exactly what you did when you shifted the focus from the quality of the ideas to the personal.

And besides, guess what? that tactic fails.

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Added on July 29, 2009, 1:34 amGuess what? I am not that important.

I am not Gandhi, I am not Jesus H. Christ, I am not Martin Luther King, I cannot spout feel good shit and act holier than thou and I will not save mankind or Cupid's Corner by doing so.

Everything you're saying about me or what I "should" or "should not" do is irrelevant.

I started a thread about improving Cupid's Corner and a whole bunch of you nitwits suddenly get twitches and pull horseshit out of left field.

You automatically assumed that only the absolute worst of change is to come and that *I* would be the one who causes it or effects it.

Did you think that *I* intended to change this place? You are wrong. I am not that important. I am not that wise. I am insignificant.

For those of you struggling hard to keep on to you personal playgrounds and little fiefdoms, continue to point your fingers at me rather than look at the broader environment. I am more than happy to distract you while other people make their moves and other things happen right under your noses. These will be things you are powerless to stop.

And look here, Mumeichan, ACN1 and whoever cares to make it personal, go and Fu.ck a soldering iron and die.

I can act like that and say that to you and harm not a single thing I have raised or discussed here, and do you know why? It's because you're doing your level best to focus your guns on me, but the IDEA is already out there, the IDEA has always been around in a gestalt form, the IDEA is accepted by the people who have the WILL to make it happen, and in the end it will be the IDEA that will bury you in your grave, not my hands. I will merely be there to laugh at you when the time comes.

Fu.cking dumbasses. Don't fu.cking surround me with idiocy and then expect me to behave like a fu.cking saint.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 29 2009, 01:53 AM

Thanks silverhawk! Indeed, I have never said such a thing.

By the way mumeichan,



It has nothing to do with "your point can't get across". Your premises and assumptions have been proven wrong, thus invalidating your entire argument.

You have been OWNED.

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Added on July 29, 2009, 5:08 pmSo, who are you talking about? Did you even read the posts or did you immediately have an allergic reaction and speak from your other end?

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 29 2009, 05:08 PM

By the way guys, thanks for your two cents. You know who you are. I kowtow.

I sincerely doubt there was anything I could have said to convince or reason with a people already so immediately hostile and threatened.

Perhaps one day I shall learn what to do, apart from immediately kicking them in the fundaments.

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Added on July 29, 2009, 5:54 pm



I certainly don't mind. Your selective perception and bias is showing quite transparently.



Lol, so trolls and clowns are just misunderstood people?
Here's a clue: the "elitism" and feelings of superiority you've ironically accused OTHERS of having have been self-professed by a large number of trolls, dupes and clowns who make forays into CC at various times. Interesting how you've been able to ignore this.



You are wrong. There are plenty of boards and communities out there which have no trolls, simply because they have no SPACE for trolls. Not feeding trolls is not as important as not giving them a space to even exist.

The status with Cupid's Corner now is that there is the letter of the law, but not the spirit, and everybody thus conforms only to the rule. You can't swear in here, you can't call an obtuse jackass a dipshit, you can't ask a troll to eat shit and die, but trolls and dupes in here CAN use passive aggressive tactics to derail entire threads, drown out reasoning with meaningless noise and traffic, and band up in brute displays of might being right, simply because you have no rules against these things.

Ask yourself what does the status quo favor? Is it really the bastion of free speech and expression you CLAIM it is?

No. You stand for the status quo and the preferential treatment it already confers to a select group of people. This is elitism.


Your entire argument places the responsibility of conduct on everybody BUT the trolls themselves. In a way, you have given them a free pass to be above the conducts of behavior that everyone else must abide by, for the simple reason that you see no real way to "control" them.

All of this talk about changing oneself, walking the talk, etc, smacks too much of the GANDHIAN fallacy. Fact: Gandhi was powerless to end the caste system, after Martin Luther King was assassinated his movement was hijacked by COINTELPRO because the movement relied too much on saints and representatives, Jesus Christ supposedly died on a cross but neither Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism nor Buddhism has done anything against institutional cruelty such as SLAVERY, genocide, and countless other abuses these supposed bastions of purity and righteousness were against. In fact these religions and institutions enriched themselves by it.

And all this while, we are fed platitudes much like your own, such as "Let the one without sin cast the first stone".

In the end it was not the inward-looking man minding his own business trying to emulate a saint that has abolished slavery and ended warfare between nations.

In the end it was the WILL of a people. The priests and the monks and supposed ascetics and holy men benefiting from the status quo have always known this, and thus such a meme, that a man must first become a saint and be wholly pure first and foremost or hold his tongue and leave things be, is encouraged for the singular reason that it is an impossible and counter-productive standard to achieve.



How smug. You are comparing apples to oranges. Perhaps the question you should truly be asking is why these people are advocating cosmetic forms of "change" even while maintaining the status quo. Perhaps they profit from it in some way?

Maintaining the status quo, Hobbes. Does that ring a bell? Rofl!



Put your money where your mouth is, and create that diagram. Or start a discussion on its feasibility with the genuine intent of getting feedback. That is a form of leading by example, and you do not need to be pure and saintly to do so. Poor you if some jackasses find the need to make shift the debate into one about your personal character.

LMAO!

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 29 2009, 06:01 PM

Thank you for explaining. You made the correct choice. If you are not confident that you are getting the true picture, if you feel that the information you are receiving is suspect and incomplete, then it is indeed correct to refrain from believing it wholesale.

There are limits to what we can understand and can do, and it is good for you, I, and everybody to understand this.



You give far too little credit to the ones you call "our so called experts or contributors".

I know a lot of very balanced, mature, experienced, wise and emphatic contributors here, and I hope that they're not on your list of "so called experts" just because they are not in the vocation of giving out professional advice.



Or we can say things as it they are, as has been done by many good contributors here. We can point out the insecurities and biases that color the poster's opinions and rants, the better that he or she may REFLECT on this and help make the relationship less dramatic and more rewarding.

You favor listening over assessment, feedback and criticism. Is this wise? In my opinion, this is too passive a behavior.



ROFL! Who knows??? Who knows indeed! More selective perception Hobbes? More excuses for such behavior? More IMPROBABLE outcomes that supposedly arise from this?



An astute observer will merely notice that your moral compass is either heavily flawed or too influenced in positive bias for these trolls and clowns themselves.



Leprosy, malaria, filiarisis, dracunculiasis, smallpox, tuberculosis, all among other things and forms of life that have been marked for ERADICATION.



And sometimes things that smell like shit are indeed diseased turds and you need not feel them and taste them before you make a confirmation. Sometimes instincts are correct. I shudder at the day people lose touch with their instincts and instead get carried away by high-falutin' statements and platitudes.



It is not a misconception or an assumption. It is rhetoric



Yes, and the trolls know this. They don't fear banhammers. They fear fundamental changes that will give them no space to exist.

Health and Fitness
Education Essentials
Careers
Business Opportunities

All of these are, or have become, forums wholly dedicated to their topics and subject matters.

This is why trolls and the friends and apologists of trolls will do everything they can to obfuscate the matter and derail the discussions, and this is also why they will fail. It is so easy to get rid of trolls, they are so small and powerless before the grand scheme of things, they know that they make their fun entirely out of the faultlines and loopholes, when these things no longer exist then neither shall they.



Trolls and dupes are NOT important. What is important is that Cupid's Corner has it's own purpose and direction, and a STRONG one, influenced by a COLLECTIVE community effort. Cupid's Corner must have a sense of destiny that is separate from the affairs and concerns of Kopitiam if it is to be a relevant section, and anything more than a joke.



Are you aware of the politics and history of food production and population control? If you are, then let's discuss this in RWI.

Or perhaps your point is that we should be wary of unforeseen circumstances.

My friend, if everybody were as afraid of unforeseen circumstances and "what ifs" all the time, nothing would get done.

That may represent an ideal world to many. The serenity of nothing ever changing, of everything being as it is for all time, of people coping. For some people this is heaven. For me, this is just another face of death.

Those of us born in THIS generation take FAMINE for granted. We do not know what it means to actually be in a condition where there is absolutely no food to be had for MILES around you.

These were conditions that people actually had to deal with throughout history, thus the focus on food production, to END famine and the incredible loss of life that ensues, which wreaks widespread havoc through the entire structure of human society from the very TOP to the utmost bottom.

In the 14th century the Dutch, along with other Europeans, were amongst the most impoverished people on earth. Famines and food shortages were frequent. But one day the will of a people rose up, an identity was formed in opposition to subservience and dominance by "others", and this same will undertook measures to end famine once and for all. After a few hundred years of head start the Dutch are today one of the tallest people in the world.

That you live in an age with an abundance and variety of food should have given you pause to consider the agricultural and market forces that have made such a thing possible.

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By the way, there is simply too much wall of text to further dissect and refute.

In any case, I think I've gotten my point across. There is simply too much selective bias and elitism in your post, ironically the very things you have accused others of having, for your arguments and positions to be considered a truly impartial and balanced view of things.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 29 2009, 06:39 PM

You ARE the messiah after all.

Ya, no worries, was just teasing you

Don't kill me

You are far too kind and forgiving of my idiocy.

I abase myself before you in gratitude of your mercy!

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Oh btw, on a serious note:

One more thing I would like to clarify - the perhaps anti-kopitiam tone in my arguments.

I am not anti-kopitiamites at all, but I can't take for granted that everybody will know this so I had better explain.

There are a lot of members from kopitiam in CC but the one thing that separates one group from the other is their amount of respect for this section's purpose, and their empathy to the people who post here.

One type has it. The other does not. Simple as that. I can usually tell which is which, and my opposition and disdain is to the latter category.

The former are cool in my book even though we might disagree vehemently and in a personal manner.

Ok, I think I understand what you mean now with that "ada wang ada amoi" thing, although I did not see it at the time.

But now I see it too, so I'm unsure if I have progressed to pro or regressed back to noob. Which is which?

I have a headache and need to lie down.

Dude, the only thing I did was start a discussion! When have I ever said that *I* want to change this place to an RWI clone? In fact when has anybody in here said that (apart from you)? Almost everybody has universally voiced opposition to such a thing!

What's with all the accusations??? I can't take it anymore.

*Crawls under a table to gibber silently*

They win la. I got a mental breakdown already.

^ ROFL!!! Gee thanks a lot Thanatos, for saying this NOW.

If I'd known earlier I would have crawled right back into bed.

If you create a poll then the people who have the most dupes will win it ler. Polls don't mean anything.

Just move under Lifestyle lor. Not that complicated laa.