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yuenzhi
post Aug 14 2009, 03:31 PM

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hi people. im using a200 and thinking of buying a new lens to replace my kit lens. my choice is between SAL 16-105 and Tamron 17-50. im more into landscape and portrait, please advice
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post Aug 14 2009, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(ahtsong @ Aug 14 2009, 03:36 PM)
landscape : 16-106
potrait : 17-50

so buy both...
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i wish i had that kind of money =)


Added on August 14, 2009, 3:46 pmim thinking of buying minolta 50mm f3.5 for portrait, reviews saying that they are razor sharp drool.gif

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post Aug 14 2009, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(ryzan76 @ Aug 14 2009, 03:47 PM)
buy this one....1680 drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
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CZ ? too expensive bro
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post Aug 14 2009, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Braynumb @ Aug 14 2009, 03:54 PM)
well... best sugestion is to buy both... but seeing as budget would be a problem, get the 16105 1st because of the range. then, can save up for the 1750... doing that right now... tongue.gif
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i see. how's yr 16105 so far ?
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post Aug 14 2009, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Aug 14 2009, 03:38 PM)
yuenzhi: 16105..i just dont like 1750 hahaha


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rclxms.gif true.. rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif .and try avoiding black backgrounds smile.gif
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y dont u like the 1750 bro ?
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post Aug 14 2009, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(ahtsong @ Aug 14 2009, 03:57 PM)
SAL 16-105 and SAL 16-80z actually not much dif...at least for my eye. i will not pay extra 1k for the not much dif and shorter range. i would rather use the 1k for other stuff
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agree with u.

anyone know is there any diff between 16105 and 1750 ?
from what i know the sharpness is abt the same. the major diff is tamron has a constant aperture and SAL doesnt, anymore ?

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post Aug 14 2009, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(ahtsong @ Aug 14 2009, 04:07 PM)
yuenzhi: i love my 16105

if u wanna see sample (posted b4)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26361657@N08/...57621805951481/
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wow great photos u have there !
ryzan76- thanks for the heads up
i think im going towards 16-105 haha
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post Aug 16 2009, 04:51 PM

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hi people, i just bought SAL 16-105, n i want to make sure that its is a good copy ? is there anyone that can tell me what to do ? i've been comparing between the image quality between 16105 and my kit lens, the result are the same. im worried now sleep.gif maybe its because of the low light settings ? just rained over here.
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post Aug 16 2009, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Aug 16 2009, 05:03 PM)
^ It is quite hard to spot difference in quality. Dont worry...
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really ? whats the point buying expensive lens then sleep.gif
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post Aug 16 2009, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Aug 16 2009, 05:13 PM)
lol...16105 is a lens tht is slightly better than ur kit lens...yes there is difference. U zoom into ur photo and u spot tht 16105 is slightly sharper. Don expect buying a lens then ur photo will look good..must see lighting and other minor stuffs also.
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well 16105 image quality is suppose to match CZ 16-80, i dont think its 'slightly' better than kit lens. maybe i'll try shooting again when the sun comes up haha blush.gif
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post Aug 16 2009, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Aug 16 2009, 05:37 PM)
FYI, 16-105 was a kit lens for A700 in europe region (correct me if I am wrong)..

and I dont think the image quality of 16105 matches 1680cz quality .. but of course, it is better than kit lens (18-70 in this case) .. wink.gif ..
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i think u r right abt the A700 kit lens. it is true that the image quality of 16105 can match up 16-80CZ, the only diff is 16105 has soft corners at wide open. i've read a lot of review and comparison before buying 16105 n thats how i came across so many people saying the image quality between these 2 r almost the same.
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post Aug 16 2009, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Aug 16 2009, 05:50 PM)
mind to share your photo taken by 16105? maybe 16105 users have experience in checking the lens problem, etc .. smile.gif ..
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Added on August 16, 2009, 6:02 pmuser posted image

before photoshopping

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post Aug 16 2009, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(achew @ Aug 16 2009, 06:29 PM)
its suppose to be 1680 successor..but somehow carl zeiss doesnt approve it and hense sony sell it as a sony lens....so whats the big deal btwn carl zeis or not??i believe the coating plays a part..
the contrast kills the details in the back area...the body of the dog almost couldnt see any details anymore....
anyway..quality aside...try to experiment in different compo...the tail of the dog was cut...and i feel that the angle was a lil bit awkward too  blush.gif
just my 2cents worth..
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hi, i was just taking a photo randomly but thank you =) what do u think of the ori pic ? is it suppose to be like that ? im talking abt the sharpness
the first pic is after pp btw, sorry for the confusion kulmoo

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post Aug 16 2009, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(achew @ Aug 16 2009, 06:41 PM)
well..i cant comment on that because i dont own any 16105..and i never joint any TT/classes..so i had no chance even just to try it..lol blush.gif

but well feel free to see my album...most of the photos r taken with tamron sp90 or cz1680..
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alright, ur flickr looks good man.
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post Aug 16 2009, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(achew @ Aug 16 2009, 06:54 PM)
just messing around with editing..lol..

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urs better than mine rclxms.gif
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post Aug 16 2009, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(achew @ Aug 16 2009, 06:54 PM)
just messing around with editing..lol..

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how did u make the background blur ? the ori one wasnt blur
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post Aug 16 2009, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(destfull @ Aug 16 2009, 08:42 PM)
make selection and do blur effects such as motion blur etc.. on photoshop

do some feathering and the result would be good smile.gif
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thanks, now i know how to do ! haha
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post Aug 16 2009, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(achew @ Aug 16 2009, 09:12 PM)
bokeh is something we couldnt really imitate...u could make it blur..n fool all the ordinary ppl that dont do photography...but after u did it a few times..u'd notice...thats "blur"..not "bokeh"
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couldnt agree more
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post Aug 17 2009, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(hanafinoor @ Aug 16 2009, 11:03 PM)
hi yuenzhi - i ve been analyzing yr pics - here - suggestions from a noob too -

yr exif for the dog pic as shown - 1/30, f3.5 iso 100

yr exif shows that u r using shutter speed of 1/30, normally at that shutter speed its too slow for non posing animals and humans like children (at least 1/50 above if the object can move), ...yr f also shows 3.5 which can capture more lights but your dof will only able to make smaller parts in focus. In your framing the whole body of the dog comprise at least quarter of the pic. At 3.5 with that distance between you and your dog, not all the body of your dog will be in focus thus only small part will be lens sharp, (in the dog case and distance i would prefer  f5 and above). At your setting a slight shake or movement on the subject part will make yr subject not as sharp as you wish. As your shooting is indoor i think u hv no choice but to illuminate yr subject at that setting. That is how a flash (an external flash is better) comes in handy and you are able to hand held yr camera with faster shutter speed and smaller apperture, or if u dont use a flashgun, you can increase yr iso to brighten yr subject but too high an iso will give you undesirable noise . You can set all yr setting as desired with Manual mode  (I suspect u r using  P mode). A proper setting with the help of flashgun will reduce yr amount of time on editing and give u better overall result.
Just my noob opinion.
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thanks for the heads up dude, im still new in this field, just bought my camera last month. looks like i still have a LOT to learn. n yes i do have a flashgun F58AM, which im still clueless over how to use it, flash photography looks really hard but i shall try haha. im currently using P mode as im still not used to using M mode, im such a noob sad.gif


QUOTE(ahtsong @ Aug 16 2009, 11:17 PM)
play with ur lens and find ur sweet spot of ur lens...looking at ur Doggy pig, as what napi said, speed too slow and wide open....

if indoor, try to shoot some object with good lighting... and zoom in...and yes the 16105 are not very much better then kitty, our kitty can be very sharp too...if u know how to use it.

1 more opinion, do feel scare to pump out ur ISO
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i see, thanks for the advice


Added on August 17, 2009, 2:31 amdid i mention my dog just gave birth ? drool.gif taken by kit lens btw, SAL 18-70


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good night everybody

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post Aug 17 2009, 11:52 AM

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@albnok and hanafinoor - thanks for the comment laugh.gif

i never knew aperture take a major role in term of image sharpness, i always thought that shutter speed play a more important role in term of producing a sharp image. looks like aperture and shutter speed play an equally important role in order to produce a sharp image. i have one question, if i want to take a landscape picture, my A suppose to be as high as possible ? so that everything will be detailed ?

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