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 Jul 21 2009, 05:01 PM
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Jul 27 2009, 11:44 AM
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kit lens replacement =.=
i'm also having hard time to choose btw tamron 1750 cz1680 sal 16105 sigma 1770 sigma 2470 how to choose?  |
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Jul 27 2009, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(achew @ Jul 27 2009, 11:46 AM) i guess depends on ur budget too...and which is more impt?range?constant F ? all these not much difference in price except for cz1680 the problem is I like both range and constant F haha why don't they make 1680 f2.8?  |
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Jul 27 2009, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(achew @ Jul 27 2009, 11:55 AM) haha...u had to make the choice..or get 2470 + uwa...that solves the prob?? =p 2470+uwa lol thats around 4k! hahabtw guys...am i correct to say that..any usb to mini usb cable works the same to transfer our files out from the camera??coz i thinking of getting an extra cable..always forget to take it out with me... QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Jul 27 2009, 11:56 AM) for me: 2470 HSM is almost 4k ler, If i were to buy that, i rather save a few more months to get cz2470 hahatamron 1750 - nice constant aperture, QC abit scary (focusing issue), noisy cz1680 - super good range, nice aperture and Zeiss printed on...i will save $ for this lens  but RM2k+ for a DT lens,sal 16105 - super super good range but i heard f/5.6 starts at 55mm, anyone to clarify this? sigma 1770 - nice lens, sharp and fun to play with, cheap too, but the EX (IINM) finishing is  sigma 2470 - super heavy ...if i were to buy this, it will be the latest 2470 HSM coz heard that its good... conclusion- save for 1680 or just make use of ur kitlens hehebut thats too far to reach.  QUOTE(croomaniac @ Jul 27 2009, 11:56 AM) i would pull out sigma 2470 for sure - as it gears tends to stripped - and some more, a700 have faster focusing power!~ ermm, if i'm not mistaken, albert's 1770 got its gear stripped before.. albert got 1770? that left Sonys and Tamrons..  actually gear strip will only occur when u put the lens in MF and the body in AF right? or am i wrong? need to call kysham to test his 2470 again! lets organise a tt to test out kit lens replacement |
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Jul 27 2009, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Jul 27 2009, 01:29 PM) achew: Yes, any USB to Micro B should work. Mini B is a different plug. oh, so better don't get the lens that are prone to gear stripping. I always thought it's only mishandling of the AF/MF clutch.croomaniac: I never ever had a Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4.5 EX DC. I had a Sigma 17-35mm F2.8-4 EX non-DG which had its gears stripped. tanjq87: There are many theories to why gear stripping happens - temperature, oil, mishandling of the AF/MF clutch. However my 17-35mm was internal focus and had no clutch (like a classic Minolta lens). Also, some lenses are just very prone to it, while some have never experienced it. I just take it to cheap plastic used in the geartrain and gear ratios that can exert wear/tear on the geartrain. For the record, I have only ever owned one APS-C lens - the Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT. After selling my A100 + kit lens, I got the Sigma 17-35mm which is a full-frame ultra wide angle. Do cz1680, sal16105 and sigma 1770 have the MF overwrite mechanism? So far I know tamron 1750 has no such mechanism. QUOTE(shootkk @ Jul 27 2009, 01:33 PM) Guys, 36mm and 50mm is still very different la..For all those using APS-C sensor you would need to seriously re-think the 24-70mm range. It is not nearly wide enough on the wide end. 24mm in FF equates to 36mm in APS-C. The angle of view is almost like a 50mm in FF. Although you would still find some uses to it you will have difficulty in trying to get large group (i.e. more than 3 persons in a row) to fit in when you are in cramped quarters. The 70mm on the tele end is not tele enough for decent runway coverage when shooting models. You guys with 18-70mm should know how it feels like. I dunno about you guys but the 24-70mm range is severely limited by the APS-C sensor. You get an expensive lens that is neither here nor there. For landscapes it not wide at all. For events is it just outside the usable wide range and for runways it's not long enough! Frustrations all around. Most practical is to use for portraits but given the price I would rather go for the 50mm F1.4 If you have the money you would be better served with a 16-35mm for the APS-C That's the reason the 17-50mm F2.8 is such a popular choice among APS-C users. P.S. Albnok has the 17-35mm sigma and had experienced stripped gears with that lens. maybe i should tape my 1870 to 24 and walkaround  but true la, one of the most important question i always ask myself. "Can I live with the widest 24mm?" "Would I regret after getting 2470?" I guess you answered my questions. Yes I think I will regret unless I get another ultra wide angle. |
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Jul 27 2009, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Jul 27 2009, 02:01 PM) Only the Sigma 24-70mm EX DG Macro has the AF/MF clutch. oh.The Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG HSM and Sony Carl Zeiss 24-70mm F2.8 SSM both have AF/MF switches and MF override. All Sony lenses with an internal focus indicator window (except the Sony 50mm F1.4) have a focus clutch, which means the focus ring does not rotate when auto-focusing. Bear in mind also that any 24-70mm F2.8 will be very big and heavy. Do you know how's the performance/image quality of the sigma 2470 Macro? I don't mind the size if the quality is good. |
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Jul 27 2009, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Jul 27 2009, 02:20 PM) The Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG Macro is sharp but chunky. And quite prone to gear stripping. If let say gear stripped, send for warranty, would it be still prone to gear stripping?The Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG HSM however is rated to be superb optically. And because it has its own focus motor inside, it will not get gear stripping. but HSM version is double the price  |
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Jul 27 2009, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(kennethwongpk @ Jul 27 2009, 02:27 PM) am confused on tamron 1750 made in japan and china. how to identify it? Aperture wise,albnok, what will be the major advantage of tamron 1750 compared to kit lens 1870? thank you. 1750 has constant widest aperture throughout the focal range which is f2.8. 1870 widest aperture changes (from f3.5-5.6) as you zoom. Sharpness wise, 1750 is much sharper than 1870. Build wise, 1750 should be much better built than 1870. Flare wise, 1750 has a proper hood to reduce flare but 1870 hood is a joke. |
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Jul 27 2009, 02:37 PM
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Added on July 27, 2009, 2:38 pm QUOTE(croomaniac @ Jul 27 2009, 02:34 PM) go for HSM - leaves you worry free of gear stripping.. HSM is out of my reach right now   This post has been edited by tanjq87: Jul 27 2009, 02:39 PM |
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Jul 27 2009, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(croomaniac @ Jul 27 2009, 02:40 PM) 1870 hood is mainly serve the purpose to protect the lens surface (at least the hood knocks first if it fell off to the gravel) but i always reversed it cos it always blocked a300 flash.  |
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Jul 27 2009, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(croomaniac @ Jul 27 2009, 02:49 PM) I think it only blocks at 18mm or near that.. ermm, i can't remember when was the last time i used up the popup flash (except for WL) but i got a cheap offer for that lens! 2 more years warranty somemore hrmm.. if that so, i would suggest to rethink about 24-70 as it is not wide enough for your style~ go for 16mm~  can get uwa in future right? maybe should call kysham tonight. |
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Jul 27 2009, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(kennethwongpk @ Jul 27 2009, 02:56 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « pictures which i've taken using 1870. (original copy, no edit). i just felt the sharpness is not there. it's just that the depth of field is abit shallow. stop down to f8 and you will see wonder of 1870. QUOTE(croomaniac @ Jul 27 2009, 02:57 PM) yupp, check with kysham.. UWA is great, and not easy to master.. i tried the 24mm for quite a few times, actually it's not much difference from 18mm, probably 2 steps? and gives you a whole new style of pictures.. try walking around and stick your lens to 24mm, think of would you live with that or not.. group shots will take you at least 3-4 steps behind.. honestly, i somehow dont mind (as i like it at 35mm - coz i like to shot my wife's head shot [and i like tight crop]) but a wide (18) is more important at times compared to tele (>100)  yea, i understand why a lot of ppl get 16105 instead of 18250 at the same price tag. hmm QUOTE(jonjwlee @ Jul 27 2009, 02:58 PM) I think if you plan on getting an ultra wide angle lens for an APS-C in the future, then a 24-70mm shouldn't be a problem. Though to be frank, you should probably get the ultra wide angle first, lest you find that 24mm isn't wide enough - that's what I'm planning to do. I need a kit lens after selling with the body. That's why I can only pick one but not both QUOTE(shootkk @ Jul 27 2009, 03:06 PM) One should never get a lens just because it is cheap and is said to be a good lens with good IQ or whatever. But normally your style of shooting will follow the limitation of your lens. Maybe I should get 18250 all rounder lens One should get a lens that fits one's style of shooting. Period. Saying that one can get a UWA later is justifying one's not-so-wise decision. A UWA is not that cheap either. If you add up the UWA and the 24-70 you may just end up with the amount for the 16-35 or around there. Why not just bite the bullet and get the proper lens to begin with and do away with all the waiting in between and missing all those shots while you're waiting! That's just my point of view of course. For me I would not get a 24-70mm while I am still shooting with an APS-C cam. If I want to get the equivalent, I'll either go for the 17-50mm F2.8 if budget is a concern or go straight to 16-35 Zeiss if budget permits. Both the lens will fit my shooting style better than a 24-70mm would and as a bonus, I can get a UWA (16-35mm only ler in this case) without the need to buy another lens if I decide to go FF later on. Thus on a economic point of view it's much better to invest in a 16-35mm Zeiss if you plan to go FF. I look back my photos, most of the time, I will shoot at the both end of the lens, let say for 1870, its always 18mm or 70mm and a couple from midrange. So I think if I were to get 2470, I will just live with it at the moment as I foresee that my shots most likely will be on 24mm and 70mm. I need wide angle only on group shots and landscape, but how often I shoot large group shot? maybe once a month? and how often i travel? once a quarter? there is always another option of shooting panorama. recently during my graduation, i saw the photographer couldn't fit us in his UWA lens and he had to take our group shots in panorama. I am just wondering if someone selling a lens cheap and if it's a not bad choice, why not ? |
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Jul 27 2009, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Jul 27 2009, 03:38 PM) tanjq87: Apparently so - online somebody had to send his Sigma 50-500mm F4-6.3 EX DG "Bigma" a few times. Why can't they just put a metal geartrain, I don't know. That said, I still honestly think it is a waste to get a big, fat, heavy full-frame lens which will limit your range on APS-C. I sometimes regretted using the 17-35mm on my A700 as it was much fatter and took much more space than any APS-C lens which had much longer range. Fortunately, I got used to the short range (using invisibility techniques to get close.) QUOTE(shootkk @ Jul 27 2009, 03:40 PM) The 16-35mm Zeiss is about the same price as the 24-70mm Zeiss.. around RM55xx IINM. hmm tanjq87 : As long as the shoe fits... as they say. I shoot with the 18250 most of the time and I always go like.. Darn! If only this lens is a little bit wider.. when shooting landscapes.Why didn't I get the 16-105 then. Well, thing is I use tele a lot too when doing landscapes and the 250mm just gives me that extra flexibility. Also I like the extra reach when doing portraits and close ups. congrats guys, you convinced me ok, take 2470 out of list then but still have a few to consider ok, 1750 is cheap, constant aperture but colour not as nice as cz1680 1770 is cheap, but not constant aperture and prone to gear stripping (shall i take this out of list?) but i like the very small MFD! alright, cz1680, if i were to get a used one without warranty, it will be almost the same price as the other but I am worried on the BF issue. IINM, the early batch got lots of problem? QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Jul 27 2009, 03:43 PM) Sigma 1770 does have the switch or AF/MF on the lens. what is full time manual?and 1680,16105 and sigma 1770 doesnt have FTM(full-time-manul). I believe only sony with SSM has that feature, correct me if i`m wrong after warranty doesnt mean wont strip right? the HSM has very very good review and many said that it is better than the canon L and sony Zeiss. |
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Jul 27 2009, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(croomaniac @ Jul 27 2009, 03:50 PM) HSM better than Zeiss? Wah.. first time heard this.. ya according to a chinese review, they say HSM is better than Zeiss. Anyone with these 2 lens or tried before, please defend! |
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Jul 27 2009, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Jul 27 2009, 03:57 PM) tanjq87: There are some Sigmas which are prone to gear stripping but the 17-70mm is not one of them. Call me for the next TT! I wanna test out 1770 1680 and 1750 The 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG and 70-300mm F4-5.6 APO 1:2 Macro are particularly prone. You can refer to Dyxum's lens reviews to see if a lens is prone or not. suchap69: It doesn't come with a battery. I know you dont have those, but you can call them right? I wanna play ur f20 also  |
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Jul 27 2009, 04:27 PM
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hey millenia3000 happy birthday!
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Jul 27 2009, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(millenia3000 @ Jul 27 2009, 04:30 PM) hehe yea man... i give u my filter box!ehey thanks man!! now, where's my CZ? got cz printed there |
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Jul 27 2009, 04:46 PM
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Read from dyxum, CZ 1680 got a lot of back focus issue?
How much does it take to calibrate if no more warranty? |
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Jul 27 2009, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Jul 27 2009, 04:51 PM) millenia3000: Got the wrapping cloth at Sony Style Berjaya Times Square. Thank you =) tanjq87: Yes, a meet with those standard zoom lenses could be arranged.  QUOTE(millenia3000 @ Jul 27 2009, 04:58 PM) cool man... that cloths thingy is wicked! tried lookin for it at a sony centre in midvalley yesterday... was it expensive? yea sure.Thank you =) also, tanjq, eh tell when u wanna TT k... i'll bring along my 1750 |
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Jul 30 2009, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(ryzan76 @ Jul 30 2009, 09:12 AM) good morning kawan kawan.... wah, sharp and nice lighting! beercan+raynox or sp90? shot with alien gun? |
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