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post Jul 16 2009, 12:16 PM

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seems that you're quite "lurus" in this manner..

firstly.. the so called "banker" you're referring to.. are frontliner/customer-facing/sales people. these people know little and have no say towards the eventualities of your loan applications..

secondly.. you're still looking from a buyer's point of view. the successful collusion of such deal requires the seller's buy in, and that's the funky part of the deal.


... oh yes.. 30% below developer's price and purchased from the developer itself. affirmative.

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QUOTE(invest2229 @ Jul 16 2009, 12:04 PM)
I did check with my banker about top-up SPA price, and they said nothing
wrong and she told me most people are doing this.

- Bank will most welcome if you take higher loan from them.
- Lawyer will most welcome because they can charge you much base on the price
- Government will earn more on the Stamp duty.

So, seem everyone also happy with this, then why does this illegal ?
Just try to understand more..
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I suggest you check on what are the implications that might arrise if the bank discovered that you lied n provide false information during your loan application.

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post Jul 16 2009, 01:32 PM

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another "cheap" advice to you, ts..

if you really need that extra boost(aka top up) just to make money out of this property.. perhaps you may want to re-look the numbers again.

don't get me wrong.. i believe in efficient use of capital.. but when it comes to measures such as this, something tells me.. the numbers are really 'ketat'..

btw, have you heard of something called 'bridging loan'?
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post Jul 16 2009, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(invest2229 @ Jul 16 2009, 12:04 PM)
I did check with my banker about top-up SPA price, and they said nothing
wrong and she told me most people are doing this.

- Bank will most welcome if you take higher loan from them.
- Lawyer will most welcome because they can charge you much base on the price
- Government will earn more on the Stamp duty.

So, seem everyone also happy with this, then why does this illegal ?
Just try to understand more..
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Just people doing it, doesn't mean it is legal. People speeding in highway beyond 110km/h is like a norm, a lot of people doing and get away with it, right? But it is not right in the first place, get it? icon_rolleyes.gif

Whenever you signed the dotted line on legal documentation, it just means that whatever stated information in the contract is correct and exactly what is happening in real deal. So if the actual deal or situation is different in the contract, it is deemed cheating already.
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post Jul 17 2009, 05:08 PM

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Here is another legal method, seller finance.

Normally you as a buyer, would need to fork out 10% and the bank pay the other 90%; to the seller.

What you need to do is ask the seller to pay for that 10% first and pay him back using installment. The SAP price still remain the same but you manage to borrow 100%.
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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 17 2009, 05:08 PM)
Here is another legal method, seller finance.

Normally you as a buyer, would need to fork out 10% and the bank pay the other 90%; to the seller.

What you need to do is ask the seller to pay for that 10% first and pay him back using installment. The SAP price still remain the same but you manage to borrow 100%.
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jason, how does this benefits the seller? hmm.gif
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post Jul 17 2009, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Jul 17 2009, 06:07 PM)
jason, how does this benefits the seller?  hmm.gif
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Take a loan from the seller, pay him back in 5 years time with 5% interest or even higher.
It's definitely better for the seller to put the money back in the bank for 2.5% FD and he got his property sold. rclxms.gif

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post Jul 17 2009, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 17 2009, 08:19 PM)
Take a loan from the seller, pay him back in 5 years time with 5% interest or even higher.
It's definitely better for the seller to put the money back in the bank for 2.5% FD and he got his property sold.  rclxms.gif
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wonder if any seller in MY would take this option.......they must be dem desperate. Need to more for legal fees somemore... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pai @ Jul 17 2009, 11:27 PM)
wonder if any seller in MY would take this option.......they must be dem desperate. Need to more for legal fees somemore... hmm.gif
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Pai, dat fella read too much richdadpoordad d laa...in la la land..
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post Jul 18 2009, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(meejawa @ Jul 18 2009, 10:17 PM)
Pai, dat fella read too much richdadpoordad d laa...in la la land..
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But at least is another option ... but I will not do it this way.. tongue.gif
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post Jul 19 2009, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(meejawa @ Jul 18 2009, 10:17 PM)
Pai, dat fella read too much richdadpoordad d laa...in la la land..
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The author this time is not Robert Kiyosaki, it's Dr. Dolf De Roos from Australia. thumbup.gif

Robert will emphasize a lot on coming up with that down payment.
He believe if one cannot fork out that money, there is something wrong with his / her financials.


Added on July 19, 2009, 10:00 am
QUOTE(Pai @ Jul 17 2009, 11:27 PM)
wonder if any seller in MY would take this option.......they must be dem desperate. Need to more for legal fees somemore... hmm.gif
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You mean the legal fees for the seller?
Which are?


Added on July 19, 2009, 10:02 am
QUOTE(invest2229 @ Jul 18 2009, 11:24 PM)
But at least is another option ... but I will not do it this way..  tongue.gif
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You may need to ask the lawyer how to draft out this agreement between you and the seller. blush.gif
Go get good competent advise.

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post Jul 19 2009, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Jul 19 2009, 09:49 AM)
The author this time is not Robert Kiyosaki, it's Dr. Dolf De Roos from Australia.  thumbup.gif

Robert will emphasize a lot on coming up with that down payment.
He believe if one cannot fork out that money, there is something wrong with his / her financials.
I got different opinion. Even I got cash, I will not dump all into one single investment. I will minimise the cash out
for my investment to the minimum, then I will use this cash for other investment. I think this is the best and faster
way we can get more properties with short period.

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post Jul 19 2009, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(invest2229 @ Jul 19 2009, 03:30 PM)
I got different opinion. Even I got cash, I will not dump all into one single investment. I will minimise the cash out
for my investment to the minimum, then I will use this cash for other investment. I think this is the best and faster
way we can get more properties with short period.

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The fastest buying record I know is 20 unit in 18 months.
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The youngest investor to buy a house is age 17.

Just remember to have some reserve in case it went wrong. icon_idea.gif

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