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post Jul 12 2009, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Ms.iProp @ Jul 11 2009, 10:13 PM)
Buy at Auction.
As robert ased us to buy below market value.
PM me for more details
I can share you real story
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Robert did not just say buy below market value.
By just looking at market value itself, Robert would say that is speculating.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...user&mid=296681
According to your previous post, you are property auction agent.

Robert warn us about people like you.
You will get paid if someone successfully bid the property, not caring if the investor loses money buying from the auction.
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post Jul 12 2009, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 12 2009, 12:38 PM)
Well said!  rclxms.gif

It's always a love-hate relationship between investors and agents -
On one hand we need them for the information and connections, but on the other hand we just can't tell whether they're giving us the best advice for us or themselves.
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In the world of investing, there are 2 types of agents. Regardless of property, stocks or business.

The one who can put food on both of our table and the one who only put food on their table.
I am glad to meet my agent, they teach me a lot and I thank for their time and knowledge. (paying them better too) whistling.gif
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post Jul 12 2009, 03:44 PM

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Funny, I remember dreaming about this discussion before...

To TS.
It take years to be successful in this business.
Which many people have spent time looking for deals every week.
It's a hard and long journey.

As Robert Kiyosaki would say, why you want to invest?
If you just want to earn more money, the likelihood of failing is high.
First, find your reason why you want to invest.
Take some time to think about, it's about what you want to do with your life.
Once you have a strong reason, no matter how hard the deal gets, you will get through it.

Real estate has both strength and weakness.
The biggest strength, passive cashflow.
You can use this investment vehicle to retire in a few years.


Added on July 12, 2009, 4:16 pm
QUOTE(Ms.iProp @ Jul 12 2009, 03:06 PM)
If one feels that an agent is useless and not needed...then go ahead and do the petty-petty things yourself....
You can collect all the auction data yourself, contact the lawyer yourself, contact the auctioneer yourself,
contact the developer/maintenance office yourself.....when you can have someone else do it for you whistling.gif
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FYI.
I pay my agent 50% more to help me bid the auction property.

If their normal rate is RM2k, I'll pay RM3k.
Even if the bank pays them commission.

I already know the bank will pay you commission.
I don't like it, especially when deviating what Robert says just so that you get the deal.
That is really unethical.

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post Jul 12 2009, 05:34 PM

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My reason. I am tired of working. Everyday I have to spent 3-4 hours travelling.
I rather have fun and enjoy it.
The time wasted for travelling is a very good motivator.

My plan is to retire in 5 years time, which started last year.
The aim is to get 10 properties in this time frame.

Since I lost a deal last year, this year I need to get 3 properties.
My first one is in the process, on the 15th there is another auction so my agent will bid on my behalf.

Before I have this 5 years plan, there was another 5 years plan earlier that didn't make it. The reason is because I lack a strong reason. So this is the update what I have now.

BTW, have you got this?
I consider it to be one of the basics, read this first.
From there on, I recommend start doing that 6 steps.
Start doing by looking at 20 properties every week.
Also get Azizi Ali books. They are a great guide for landlords in term of management.

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post Jul 12 2009, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(sdas86 @ Jul 12 2009, 05:50 PM)
I haven't got this book. I will try to look for it in MPH. I know there are a lot of books by Azizi Ali. I will buy it and read it too. Thanks a lot for your guidance.

May I know what job are you involve in? And what age do you plan to retire? How many years have you been working?

I am in engineering field and I am not sure how much salary per month for me to get started in real estate. And, how many years of working to be eligible for housing loan?


Added on July 12, 2009, 5:53 pm

Thanks. You are right. I got some books suggestion and I am going to read them soon. smile.gif
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It's not any normal book, I think you can call it an audio book.
I doubt MPH sell these.
Do buy Azizi Ali blue and yellow book.

Same job as you, engineering field. More towards PCB design.
If everything goes according to plan, before the age of 40, but do note that my target cashflow is RM2k.
Since you play cashflow 101 often, you would understand why. Ever notice that different profession with different salary are able to get out of the rat race? rclxms.gif
I start working since Y2k.


Do not let your earning in your day time job stop you from investing part time.
Read the below spoiler first, you may have read it before.
As long as you have a good spending habit, you are "fit" to start.

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post Jul 14 2009, 08:39 AM

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The flippers are flop. rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif icon_idea.gif nod.gif thumbup.gif
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post Jul 14 2009, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(aramis888 @ Jul 14 2009, 10:39 AM)
base on own experience I presume?
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Nope, this statement is from Robert Kiyosaki.
He is happy about it and so am I. brows.gif
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post Jul 14 2009, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Jul 14 2009, 09:51 AM)
not necessarily boss. I happen to know a number of flippers who manage to amass 1mil profit from flipping props before they even reach 35.

Thats why I said flipping is not the game for the poor.  wink.gif
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Yup, saw that myself too.
To be a professional flipper, one has to have enough reserve just in case it goes bad.


The way I see it, professional cashflow investor will do well in all market.


Added on July 14, 2009, 11:04 am
QUOTE(aramis888 @ Jul 14 2009, 10:57 AM)
Oh..The infamous guru of property invesment.  whistling.gif
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Not really.
His wife Kim and friend Ken are much better than him.
His strength is in business.

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post Jul 14 2009, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Jul 14 2009, 11:45 AM)
wow - good for you....amazing....

yeah - my net worth is constantly drying up - i shld learn from you.
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Oh, my net worth is also going down.
I'll be borrowing a lot for an auction tomorrow (2nd property to be for this year). rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(moonh @ Jul 14 2009, 12:24 PM)
question for sifus:

say i have little money at the mo (just enough to cover 6 mths of my mthly exps), but i can get 100% loan and all other fees are borne by developer & bank. pay nothing until completion. i could rent this f/h landed prop, but will get -ve cf, confirmed.
can i buy this for flipping? or is it too dangerous?
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Then my question to you is, why you want to buy and flip?

Also, which is faster to flip?
Buy an under developing house, with the risk of abandon project, high vacancy due to it's in a newly develop area with very little amnesties etc?

Or buy a property which is run down in a good neighbourhood, fix it up and sell off?


Flipping is not investing, Rich dad call it rolling the wheel barrow.
You keep on rolling it and it gets bigger but gets you no where.
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QUOTE(sdas86 @ Jul 14 2009, 05:47 PM)
You are right. I always play CashFlow 101 and I notice that no matter what job we are in, we can get out of rat race with proper investment and loan.

I am in Electronic Engineering too but I am still a student. I am in my final year now and I am going to find a job soon. smile.gif

Thanks for the long spoiler. I read it and I think I already read about it.

I can't find the audio book. How do you get it?  rclxub.gif
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You may need to check with success resource or visit richdad.com.
It's not going to be cheap. sweat.gif

Remember to take your time, don't rush into it as it may burn you out.
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post Jul 14 2009, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(sdas86 @ Jul 14 2009, 09:47 PM)
Thanks. I find the richdad website and I manage to find the audio book. It is quite expensive at price USD$140.00. I am not going to buy it now ecause I do not have much money. I am going to buy Azizi Ali's books 1st.  smile.gif

Thanks a lot for your help.  notworthy.gif
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Or you can download other free audio book, the link it's at the end of Rich Dad Poor Dad book, Cashflow Quadrant and Guide to Investing..
I learn a lot after listening to it many times.
Example www.richdadbook1.com


BTW, Robert and Kim have 1400 small green house to date, this year his target to get 500 more.
He first started to flip properties when he is in Hawaii, not until Rich Dad pull him aside.
Warning him about flipping properties.

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post Jul 14 2009, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Jul 14 2009, 09:44 PM)
see lwb, a lot ppl wish to learn to learn from you. Still recall sometime back when I humbly PMed you to learn but got shot down instead tongue.gif

Anyway, the above sounds like BTS? and that lady agent of yours, think I've meet her before, small world...... smile.gif
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BTS = Bian Tai Sicko? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 14 2009, 10:40 PM)
I guess lwb is totally against spoon-feeding or the deal is just simply TOO good to be shared to strangers like you and me...  hmm.gif

Anyway thanks for the Kiyosaki books recommendation. Personally I think the only book from Azizi Ali that's worth buying is the RM 19.90 "How to Pay Off Your House Loan in Five Years or Less" - great book for beginners like me to understand how housing loans work within the shortest time  tongue.gif
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Oh, that book.
I won't be buying that one.

It's for people who want to save money, not for those who want to be rich.

The rich control their property but they don't own it.
They take out the money from it's equity and re-invest it.
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QUOTE(sdas86 @ Jul 14 2009, 10:09 PM)


Thanks for the link but it is not working. I am not going to flip properties. I want to buy and rent them. I want to earn the rent and live free.
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Hmmm...

www.richdadbook1.com
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post Jul 14 2009, 11:06 PM

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A book I just bought today, RM36.90 poorer:

You can become rich in property
by Peter Yee.
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Pai.
This book has some details in putting properties in a company.
I have not read that chapter yet.
You may like to browse through in a book store.
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post Jul 14 2009, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 14 2009, 11:13 PM)
I bought and read this book too.
From my point of view - I kinda like the portfolio with "seasons" thingy, though its very hard for newbie like me to figure out when are springs and winters...
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I read 8 chapters and most of the things was repeated on other study material.
Yet I also learn something new too.

It's a bit harder for newbie, that is why I recommend Rich Dad 6 steps, it's the basics. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 14 2009, 11:23 PM)


I think it's good sharing here - helps everyone to save some time on books as many books have repetitive content  rclxms.gif
I bet Azizi's landlord book has similar content to Renesial's tenant book?
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Err, nope.
There are both similiarities and differences.
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post Jul 15 2009, 10:52 AM

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Just got good news from my agent.
My 2nd property this year is confirmed.
Auction at RM109.4k and market rate is at RM142k. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pai @ Jul 15 2009, 10:53 AM)
woahh........congrats!!!

Jason is a tycoon in the making. notworthy.gif 

btw, how much can you rent this out?
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Ahem.
I still have a lot to learn from you, phoeni and others. wink.gif

Let's see, RM750 per month non furnish. Partly furnish can push it to RM950.
Maintenance RM132.

Since my sis will be paying the 10% and acquisition cost.
I am not required to put anything down.
Technically my ROI is infinite.
The condition is she own half of the property plus the initial fund she put in, I collect the cashflow and pay the mortgage.
Only need to pay her back when re-finance or sell it off. cool.gif


Added on July 15, 2009, 1:04 pm
QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 15 2009, 11:06 AM)
Which area? Congrats  rclxms.gif
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It's in JB, near Iskandar area.
The exact location hint: See ongkl blog. ;D

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