Indonesia FTTH ISP Biznet already implemented NGN FTTH since 2007.



Telkom SpeedyNet best effort 3mbps


Phuket started their NGN FTTH trials since Feb 2009 with 30mbps symmetrical service to homes.
This project has strong Japanese backing from names such as Fujikura and NEC

PDF Documentation:
www.itu.int/ITU-D/treg/wsis/c6/doc/thailand.pdf

Phillippines Sky Broadband already has 12mbps cable broadband with PLDT already building a NGN network since last year offering ADSL2+

I don't want to even compare our NGN project with Singapore's Monster NGBN which aims to achieve 1terabits to premise when completed.

For your information, TM begin NGN since 2006 and FFTH since 2007

Begin?

Indonesia's Biznet had commercially launch it back in 2007.
Thailand's Phuket NGN FTTH trials is already running

Admit it your RM11billion project is already an outdated technology used since 2-3 years ago.
Japan already implemented 1gbps FTTH 3 years ago.

Nothing to be proud of. In SEA region besides Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines has NGN projects on a larger scale or just as ambitious as yours.

Yes,

Don't compare developed country like Japan.

Ambitious? I'm not working for TMNet or any affiliate.

So you think all of them getting same speed? Open your eyes, some developed country in EU still getting slow speed and all that.

I proud to be Malaysian.

Malaysua Boh Leh!

For now..dont hope so much..If not you can go abroad..At least be grateful that we have Internet..yes i noe it may be quite sucky..but at least better than nothing..

Haha!
Now that's kick ass.
TM won't feel shame? Why?

cuz no other wired choice in MY, even jaring also using their line somehow.

AFAIK, Jaring rely on TM's backbone too.

Because if we don't contact each other, like TMNet and Jaring, you can't reach some Jaring server and hosted under Jaring...

TM's HSBB NGN is nothing to shout about.

There's no competition and excitement to it. Very few people think that it's promising.

Things which they never tell out openly:

All main tenders to contractors and installers except hardware vendors are awarded to Bumiputeras.A no brainer

They made it in such a way that all wholesale and access have to go through a single provider. If the main node goes down, everyone goes down with it unlike the multilevel OpCo, NetCo, AccessCo which are openly tendered to world class companies.The one who gives the best offer and solution wins. No net neutrality at all with only 1 say.

everything u said regarding tm i can accept it and might be true....but this one...no2....seriously no

I said main service/installer contractors not subcontractors and lets not forget the exception of hardware equipment vendors.

Put malaysia ISP in shame.
Make them feel like the slowest in the world.

I have walked into Kedai Telekoms and Primatel before, apart from their franchise Clickers startup outlets I've never seen a chinese at their front counters before.

Same goes to the Streamyx installer technicians which serve my area.

Why the isolation?

lol You asked "why the isolation ?" You should be asking "why chinese dont want to be the streamyx tech?"

blame the chinese that dont want the low paying job and need to go to mostly rude customer house everyday. When some type of occupation dont have a lot of chinese , some moron just like to say its because of racism. What kind of thinking is that . . low pay + rude client + sometimes you work till late at night on the street fixing/doing cabling.Those thing dont attract a lot of chinese to join as streamyx tech .


I hope i not offending anyone , im just saying it as i see it . Some people cant think other than "OMG!!1!111 ITS RACISM" . urgh..

This post has been edited by lulz: Jun 28 2009, 02:39 AM

Which developed country in EU are you talking about? I'm very interested to know.

Italy? Swiss?

I can't say about Switzerland... but I've stayed at a few of my friends houses in Italy and the slowest connection I saw was 12Mbps.

So, again which developed country in Europe was it that had slower connections than Malaysia?

This post has been edited by biatch0: Jun 28 2009, 08:07 AM

U suck dude. You dont even know Malaysia broadband is one of the worst service and speed? U paid rm88 for 1mbps + suck service. In other country, u can get much better speed and service with lower price. I am proud to be malaysian, but shame to have Tmnet.

Lolz, why you blame me for TMNet problem, should them lolz. I have paid RM88 but I can reach more than 1Mb/sec daily. And why you choose TMNet if you know they are bad, choose other lolz, like Jaring or TIME. C'mon...

Convenient to avoid my question?

Also you do realize asking people to choose Jaring or TIME in a country where the last-mile is almost entirely controlled by TM doesn't really help your argument.

You think I have a choice?! Here in Kuching the whole broadband internet market is monopolised by shitmix! Jaring/TIME have not even dared to step foot on such "foreign" land. You think i have a bloody choice here? Why not you kindly offer me RM1,500,000 a year so I can contract a submarine cable to Mediaring or Starhub? What utter BS!

And guess what, in my small apartment in the UK, there's Tiscali, TalkTalk, O2 Internet, Be UK, Three UK, Virgin Media, Bulldog, Pipex, Zen, SmallWorld and not to mention dozens of BT Ipstream/datastream/LLU-based small time vendors. The best part? I could swap my providers hassle free using MAC keys, at any damn time i please as long as my contract has ended. And because hundreds of thousands of others do the same thing, incompetent providers wither and die (like Tiscali, recently acquired by TalkTalk). Competition is stiff and customers are revered, not ridiculed. There is Ofcom to regulate the market, unlike our shell-organisation MCMC.

And its because of ignorant and easily contended people like you, who couldnt care less to push towards a more open and transparent ISP market, could tmnet continue to reign with absolute monopoly.

Just FYI, my current internet package in UK? Be Unlimited, 24 mbps for RM102/mo. Thats RM4.25 per mbps. In Kuching? a dysfunctional RM88 1mbps crapmix package. That's RM88 per mbps. You're paying 21x dollar-to-dollar basis.

Stop dreaming and start pushing for a fairer market.

This post has been edited by sennheiser: Jun 28 2009, 11:15 AM

Dudes! Why argue because of a dog shit company?
Stop arguing! Remember! Our enemy is TMNET! Not ourselfs!

Maybe something stuck for doing things, thats why the madness cant controlled. Leave it...

Of course you have choice, if you want developed country to compare us, don't live here in Malaysia.

TMNet have blocking us for somewhat, but better than nothing, you still can P2P, in other country cannot do that.

biatch0, TMNet not controlling TIME or Jaring speed and bandwidth, they have leased line to connect overseas, even their pings and speed better than TMNet. So, you have choice, to choose or not. It's your own decision...

Guys... Please..

No need to compare those countries.

Use unknown ones like Latvia, Poland, Slovania, Romania, Croatia all already boast of FTTH and VDSL2.
The EU allows any telco players within their group to invest in any member nations without restrictions.

Even within our region we are already behind Vietnam, Indonesia and Philippines.

We don't want to be compared to the likes of Laos and Papua New Guinea

You seem to have comprehension issues so let me lay it out for you. From a wired perspective in 90% of Malaysia you do NOT have a choice of ISP. Obviously if you were living in Malaysia and not under a magic rock in that magical developed country in Europe that has a lower standard of internet than us you would already know that.

It's like if I tell you that you are sentenced to death for commiting a crime but you can survive if the rope the hangman is going to use snaps. Does this imply choice on your part? Continue to argue your stand that TM is the poor victim in our country and I'll yield and admit you're just that dense.

I don't pick a fight or what, relax. No point to compare other country ISP (that were developed country), all we need is to do something why TMNet are outdated.

Of course I'm living at Malaysia, we still lucky bro biatch0, in Russia, my cousin stay at one of the university there and access the internet just no more than 24kb/sec and sometimes unstable, thats even worst for developed country, to compare us we still developing country, and we still can access such protected content and can P2P without worries that much. Don't compare different story biatch0, we talk about internet and not committing crime. Maybe I dense, but, I'm not that bad. Well, you already know their trick (you already know for years I believe), you still have the choice la bro, use their service or not, thats your choice (your power as end user), TMNet not forcibly you to use their service.

This post has been edited by pengiranijam: Jun 28 2009, 09:34 PM

agreed with you... we all have choices... if u don't like it... dont subscribe.. go to the one who can satisfy you... but sadly no one came close to what TM has to offer... not even maxis.. so deal with it ...

i'm currently just happy with my 512k streamyx... and i'm sure to be more than happy when HSBB launch..... iptv somemore... astro shall die when the time comes (i hate astro for as long as i can remember... but i have no choice... in future when i do, i would love to see they eat dirt with their 'ad infested paid tv ' .... long live TM.. he he

This post has been edited by theotherhalf: Jun 28 2009, 10:21 PM

Hey, I heard that HSBB provide the internet for their customers from as low as 10Mbps up to 1000Mbps. I think its a package u can choose.

Besides, the IP TV being used will use a separate line. Means if u subscribe 10Mbps, ur internet speed will stay at 10Mbps while u can still enjoy IP TV, without interrupting ur internet connection!

But still, not sure its true or not. Hopefully its implement as what we heard.

I'm merely looking at your posts and replying to them.

You were the one who brought up the topic of developed countries in Europe getting slow speeds.

You also talked about "choosing" TMNet like there was really much of a choice.

Also, according to the World Economic Outlook Report, April 2009 by the International Monetary Fund, Russia is NOT a developed country.

Why choose Russia when Malaysia can barely keep up with developing countries in our own region? Interesting considering Malaysia is the only one that keeps going on the news saying they want to be the next big IT hub worldwide.

Well, if you read your post before, I think you speak to wrong person, the TS are the person comparing us with outsider ISP.

As I said before, if you understand what meaning of choice, it is very common to answer, if you don't like don't use their service... thats what the choice.

Are you sure bro biatch0, Russia is developing country? Based on GDP, Russia is no.8 and if you refer @ http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/...2004/6591-gdp-0 is one of developed country thus if I'm not wrong Russian are the biggest food exporter.

Hi,
From my knowlege,Russia is a member of BRIC(Brazil,Russia,India,China) which are the combination of the greatest 4 developing country.According to GDP,China now is the 3/4 in the top ranking because of the huge base of the population,however,it is still a developing country.Perhaps Russia could be treated as the lower group in the developed countries because it only focuses on heavy industry but not economic in the past 30 years.The average income is not high,but consumer prodects there are very expensive because most of them depend on importing.

I have to mention here is Russia always spends a lot of money on researching new weapons,and lacks of building up infrastructure.That's why they only have lousy broadband service,but have high-tech tanks and battleplanes.

Oh my, I've forgotten to read the Developing country @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country

By the way, TM NGN project actually not really outdated, base on their report. TMNet NGN delivery was reported following the schedule. If I'm not wrong...

I can't seem to understand what you're trying to get across.

But anyways, it is because of your "If you want to compare msia to developed country, don't live in msia" type of attitude that msia lags behind so many developing countries today. Do you know what's our problem? We always, and dare only to compare our country to LESS DEVELOPED countries in hopes that we will appear "better" than them. Surely, shitmix maybe better than some v.25 connection in somalia. Perhaps only by comparing us to an inferior country do we feel less inferior and more contended?

Mr. Pengiranijam, this is what experts call Inferiority Complex.

While citizens in china are busy envying the US for their technological advancement, we, on the contrary, are busy comparing ourselves to undernourished countries and feeling uber happy that we are not as bad as them. See the difference? If every single malaysian thinks the same way as you, future development here would not be possible. No one bothers! We are better than some pirate-laden somalia!

About TIME and JARING. You cannot compare their performance just by looking at round trip time alone and sustainable bandwidth only. Which destination are you comparing the RTT with? Some routes may be faster than others at certain time of the day so it may not be an "isp-thing".

Again, we in Sarawak HAVE NO CHOICE. Stop your blatant insult about choices here because i feel extremely insulted as a fellow malaysian.

Not you only the one don't have choice, most of Malaysian. It is not blatant, it is about choice, it is your choice to use or don't use the services if you don't like or hate the services that much, remember you should blame TMNet not me okay , if you want everything perfect ready for you only, you should forget that. We are still far away for being developed country, and if I have million RM, I will not invest to the rush company like TMNet, I will definitely go for own business for my own profits.

Well you should stick with thread title, TS are comparing TMNet and other ISP. Why should comparing...? I don't think it is good idea. You should blame TS instead me...

+1 for calling him out.

Its bout time someone did that to the bs he's been spouting around on this subforum.

TS is comparing Malaysia to other developing countries in the region; Indonesia/Phillipines. Just because of this comparison to these 2 countries (who by the way have a LOT more problems than us with war and natural disasters) you are telling the TS not to compare Malaysia with Japan?

So, if a person NEEDS internet for work... and he has a choice to either NOT have internet or use Streamyx? Doesn't sound like much of a choice to me.

Something like... if person X were to point a gun at person Y... and say, "Hey, you have a choice... you can run and I can shoot you... or... you can stay and I can shoot you!!!". My analogy is as good as your illusion of choice.

This post has been edited by biatch0: Jun 29 2009, 08:15 PM

I LoLed. You believe what there're saying, without question whatsoever? Believe in the same company that provides us with this crappy service?

Come on dude, you've got to use your brain a little bit. They won't even announce any downtime of their service in their website UNLESS its important, then how can you even remotely believe what there're saying, jeez.

Take for example the terengganu stadium, all done, complete and officially lunch. Less than a year, boom, go down, L..o...L. Perhaps you should stop watching, listening and agreeing to the mainstream media, because they won't tell you what the "G" doesn't want you to know.

I agree with sennheiser, sometimes the only choice we have, is either crap (streamyx) or nothing. So your saying I should choose nothing because streamyx sucks? You can tell me "we have other isp bla bla" but I live near KL and let me tell you, besides the wireless isp and streamyx, theres nothing here

PS: Not trying to gang up on you, just trying to make a point thats all

This post has been edited by ahpek26: Jun 29 2009, 09:30 PM

Oh, so you think I believe what they say, I have brain, thats what they say not me... and again, if you want perfect, you should forget. Remind you again, you have choices, if you don't like and hate so much their services (TMNet), leave and don't subscribe. Relax la, garang juga ko nih...

Keke nah jk jk . Oh fun fact, just browse thailand's forum regarding their isp, sadly its just as bad as we are. The same case, first month/week/whatever its smooth sailing, later crap hole lol. Same crappy CS, routing, bandwidth issue, downtime, its just reading LYN forum, except its not . Anyhow here it is.

Package 3Mbps (or whatever) for local only, international bandwidth can't even reach 1Mbps .


This post has been edited by ahpek26: Jun 29 2009, 09:49 PM

Sorry if all of you guys might think I'm insulting in any way, I don't mean to do that...
I respect all of your feedback anyway, all we need is our right. As consumer, we have full right to use their services (TMNet), and if the services does not meet the at least speed or other problem related to TMNet fault, you have right to complain to MCMC...

Hehe...

So Bangkok also facing slow internet and all that, thus their 3Mb even bad than us not reach 1Mb... duh

This post has been edited by pengiranijam: Jun 29 2009, 10:01 PM

those who have choice...use whichever ISP that u want...

yg dun have any choice...guna je la streamyx...

for me...have use streamyx b4 since they start service until late last year. problem --> frequent dc, lagging, rain = no service, customer service/support s*ckz. and this happen almost weekly. good part --> very fast when no problem.

then use maxisbb for 2 months. problem --> service selalu down, maybe becoz they use huawei. call customer service & they answer "3G service down"

now using p1 wimax almost 5 months already...easy to set up...just plug & play, no need to dial-up. connect to router also easy, just put to static. u can see service availability also very easy, can see from far away, whether its red,orange or green. when got service breakdown or maintenance work, they will inform u thru sms. will stay with p1 if they could maintain service or getting better.

for me hsbb is the right move for TM, though i think they should have done it earlier b4 p1, maxisbb or other ISP comes in. i will use hsbb if they can provide more than 25mbps & can guarantee low-latency service...AND the most important thing, affordable. means below RM200 or better still below RM100.