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Biology Human Cloning, Creation of a genetically identical copy

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TSwacko_joy
post Jun 22 2009, 02:06 PM, updated 17y ago

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Human cloning is the creation of a genetically identical copy of a human being (not usually referring monozygotic multiple births), human cell, or human tissue.
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Human cloning is the creation of a genetically identical copy of an existing, or previously existing, human being or clone tissue from that individual. The term is generally used to refer to artificial human cloning; human clones in the form of identical twins are commonplace, with their cloning occurring during the natural process of reproduction.

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Cloned for therapeutic purposes ex: to donate bone marrow to a sibling with leukemia (Like what has written in a book called "My Sister's Keeper" by Jodi Picoult)
Replacement cloning means the generation of a clone of a previously living person
Persistence cloning means the production of a cloned body for the purpose of obviating aging (still considered science fiction)

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Are you excited about it or fear about it? Will you want to clone your loved one or even yourself....?
This is not talking about just the certain part of the human organ or animals but the whole human being...

ARE WE READY FOR IT?

What the cons and pros on it? If it is successful....
Somehow we can live eternally by the power of science and etc.

ADDED: We get resurrect back when we die like what happen to frankenstein ...

Discussion can start now as i try add in more info, or anyone can help to contribute more resources in this thread. Thanks.

P/S: Strictly no religious talk involved here. I just want to know how common human response in this bio technology. Thanks



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post Jun 22 2009, 02:19 PM

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Hi there!
Intruguing topic indeed! Human Cloning? Act of playing God?!

Let's start off with cloning, shall we? I'm not talking about Hybrid Cloning but Reproductive Cloning. I would stand behind it as it is essential for HUMAN BEINGS for infertility (barren; for those that needs biblical narrative) purpose.

Have yu heard of Dolly the Sheep? Much complexities came from the experimentations. How would yu stand for it? I'm pretty much for it. GE (Genetically Engineered) products? Anyone? Hello??!! We had those hybrid cloning back in the early 90s, for Christ sake.
Do yu need it? ~!@#$%^&* YES!

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p.s: Religious understanding and practices are OUT OF THE WINDOW please.

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post Jun 22 2009, 02:25 PM

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Yes. Indeed, strictly no religion involved here. I just want to know how common human response in this bio technology...
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post Jun 22 2009, 02:36 PM

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ehh... my posts macam deleted liao sleep.gif"

anyway, what i'm trying to say is... the adverse effects on cloning in sociology....

i do not agree on cloning
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post Jun 22 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(wacko_joy @ Jun 22 2009, 02:25 PM)
Yes. Indeed, strictly no religion involved here. I just want to know how common human response in this bio technology...
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Animal cloning would be fine,IMO,as we could get more food in a short time,for example.

Human cloning is just hairy as ethics and sociology would be involved.
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post Jun 22 2009, 03:06 PM

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^ Yes, agree. I somehow agree for animals. Not really 100% as i still have doubt on it. Eventhough they are just animals but they also have feeling & certain level of intelligence. I need to do more research.

Anyone read the book "My Sister's Keeper" by Jodi Picoult?

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A novel about a young girl who sues her parents for the right to make her own decisions about how her body is used when a kidney transplant is planned in order to save her older sister's life.


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This story does not involved in human cloning but i believe it somehow give the same effect to society. I can't accept the thought of Anna's parent has when they bore her... The purpose they want to have her in tis world.

Sorry... abit out of topic....

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post Jun 22 2009, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 22 2009, 02:54 PM)
Animal cloning would be fine,IMO,as we could get more food in a short time,for example.

Human cloning is just hairy as ethics and sociology would be involved.
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PETA would disagree, and so does many animal lovers.

I own pets and so it's not very hard to observe individualism in them. Don't think it's fair to clone them on the same reason as why we don't want to be cloned. tongue.gif
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post Jun 22 2009, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(SeaGates @ Jun 22 2009, 03:15 PM)
PETA would disagree, and so does many animal lovers.

I own pets and so it's not very hard to observe individualism in them. Don't think it's fair to clone them on the same reason as why we don't want to be cloned. tongue.gif
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I dont mean cloning your pets,but i mean cloning cows,chickens etc that we eat them.

I own pets and i know how unique are each of them.2 dogs,to be exact.
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post Jun 22 2009, 03:27 PM

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As i reading about human cloning, i come across this:

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New York University bioethicist Jacob M. Appel has argued that "children cloned for therapeutic purposes" such as "to donate bone marrow to a sibling with leukemia" might someday be viewed as heroes.


- Just like what is happening in "My Sister's keeper". Well, they are heroes in the sight of others. But are they really want to be heroes in tis situation.

I will say alot of us don't want to clone someone that are still alive, how about the dead? Your premature dead baby, your just get married hubby/wife who die of an accident and so on... Will you agree with it?

If possible, tell us the reason on your "yes" or "no" answer.

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post Jun 22 2009, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(wacko_joy @ Jun 22 2009, 03:27 PM)
As i reading about human cloning, i come across this:
- Just like what is happening in "My Sister's keeper". Well, they are heroes in the sight of others. But are they really want to be heroes in tis situation.

I will say alot of us don't want to clone someone that are still alive, how about the dead? Your premature dead baby, your just get married hubby/wife who die of an accident and so on... Will you agree with it?

If possible, tell us the reason on your "yes" or "no" answer.
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It's a bit strange,wont it? Like someone just died and you are seeing that person again in a week's time.
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post Jun 22 2009, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 22 2009, 03:19 PM)
I dont mean cloning your pets,but i mean cloning cows,chickens etc that we eat them.

I own pets and i know how unique are each of them.2 dogs,to be exact.
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But what if is the owner who want it? Some are too emotional sad, they insist to have them so called back to life again. Are they consider as selfish people?
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 22 2009, 03:19 PM)
I dont mean cloning your pets,but i mean cloning cows,chickens etc that we eat them.

I own pets and i know how unique are each of them.2 dogs,to be exact.
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lol, I understand that, I am not just saying pets, because animal have individualism as well. That is why there exist people who are against battery farms.

Human's needs and ethics don't mix well anyway. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wacko_joy @ Jun 22 2009, 03:32 PM)
But what if is the owner who want it? Some are too emotional sad, they insist to have them so called back to life again. Are they consider as selfish people?
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I dont know,but PETA might not be happy with it,IMO.

QUOTE(SeaGates @ Jun 22 2009, 03:32 PM)
lol, I understand that, I am not just saying pets, because animal have individualism as well. That is why there exist people who are against battery farms.

Human's needs and ethics don't mix well anyway. laugh.gif
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By means of stopping hunger,i think it's worth it.
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post Jun 22 2009, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jun 22 2009, 03:32 PM)
It's a bit strange,wont it? Like someone just died and you are seeing that person again in a week's time.
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Lolx... ya. For me personally, i don't agree with it. But some can accept it... you will never know.
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QUOTE(wacko_joy @ Jun 22 2009, 02:06 PM)
Are you excited about it or fear about it? Will you want to clone your loved one or even yourself....?
This is not talking about just the certain part of the human organ or animals but the whole human being...

What the cons and pros on it? If it is successful....
Somehow we can live eternally by the power of science and etc.

ADDED: We get resurrect back when we die like what happen to frankenstein ...

Discussion can start now as i try add in more info, or anyone can help to contribute more resources in this thread. Thanks.
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you cannot copy the mind ... and you cannot perfectly clone the person ...


you see .. the human body is a SUPER LEARNING MACHINE ... we literally ... learn from the start of our life ... from mathematics to running

the body itself grows, from your physical training ... means ... if you do strength training, you might end up like arnold ... but the clone might not be the same person (physically)


not just that ... the brain whether u remember or not ... are fixed on recording from the start of birth ... your memories cannot be replicated
and since every encounter is unique .. there's no way to replicate the whole thing again ....



the word cloning is actually misleading ... the scientists uses this term "cloning" so we are easier to accept it ....... but what if they use the term "artificial human", that's harder to accept
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QUOTE(wacko_joy @ Jun 22 2009, 03:39 PM)
Lolx... ya. For me personally, i don't agree with it. But some can accept it... you will never know.
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It probably give me a huge psychological impact,IMO.

QUOTE(Serpentarius @ Jun 22 2009, 03:46 PM)
you cannot copy the mind ... and you cannot perfectly clone the person ...
you see .. the human body is a SUPER LEARNING MACHINE ... we literally ... learn from the start of our life ... from mathematics to running

the body itself grows, from your physical training ... means ... if you do strength training, you might end up like arnold ... but the clone might not be the same person (physically)
not just that ... the brain whether u remember or not ... are fixed on recording from the start of birth ... your memories cannot be replicated
and since every encounter is unique .. there's no way to replicate the whole thing again ....
the word cloning is actually misleading ... the scientists uses this term "cloning" so we are easier to accept it ....... but what if they use the term "artificial human", that's harder to accept
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True,all you get is just a different person,with the same exterior as the other people.

You might clone the used to be muscular Arnold,but he could end up as the most obese man in the world. laugh.gif
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@Serpentarius - Mind... hmmm... i was thinking it is possible for the doctor to implant so called "memory chips" into the baby's brain? Then transfer it to the clone when you die?

Artificial human.... ya. That's the word. You might able to program /duplicate it perfectly like the original, but somehow is not real as you used to feel.

Same goes to pirated DVD .. haha...

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post Jun 22 2009, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(wacko_joy @ Jun 22 2009, 03:55 PM)
@Serpentarius - Mind... hmmm... i was thinking it is possible for the doctor to implant so called "memory chips" into the baby's brain? Then transfer it to the clone when you die?

Artificial human.... ya. That's the word. You might able to program /duplicate it perfectly like the original, but somehow is not real as you used to feel.

Same goes to pirated DVD .. haha...
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Thats the best analogy,IMO. laugh.gif
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post Jun 22 2009, 04:02 PM

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How about "cloned for therapeutic purposes"? Any opinion?
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