What is the race of Adam & Eve and which part of Earth were they put on?

The difference is,scientists can give a precise predictions regarding the origins of humans,and the predictions are constantly being corrected when more evidence are unearthed,which means sooner or later the truth will be unveiled,this is something religions can not offer,it's entirely faith based and you have no choice but to accept whatever you've been instilled regardless of validity...
i don't know where did you get the source saying 90% of scientists believe in god,but the claim is not consistent with the data collected by some surveys,and here's one of them... http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html
and what if anyone can't name a human(s) who lived more than 120 years?does it prove the bible is true?NO,you can substitute whatever you like to explain this but that does not make it a fact...

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Apr 10 2010, 06:52 PM

Jeanne louise Calment. French woman and a World record holder who lived beyond 120

This post has been edited by Keith321: Apr 10 2010, 08:16 PM

arabian and was thrown around middle east if not wrong

I like the definite answer not speculation please, if they are Arabian, how does other race come about and when was they created? also how they too become sinners?

as for the race i have no idea...
but how they're sinned can be inferred from the following bible's verse - Romans 5:12 Why, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed on all men, for that all have sinned: simply put,they inherit the sins of Adam...

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Apr 10 2010, 11:37 PM

everyone is a decendant of adam, and we inherit the sins of adam. Races most probably come about as people love to traven, and their skin, eyes and genetic feature evolves based on the environment, giving different races the different trait features as it is today

Actually it is fantastic to claim that human was created by god with adam and eve being the first pair some 10K years ago, in the face of overwhelming evidence and facts from mutiple scientific disciplines. Essentially this is just another argument from ignorance or incredulity or most probably both. For you to claim that human was created and there is no way to trace the origin of human, you must have missed 150 years of development in evolutionary science. There are thousands of scientists and thousands in the past, who are/were doing active research in this field and you probably do not know anything about their work when you jump to this silly conclusion. Just this fact alone is more than sufficient to refute your argument. Do you think all these scientists are blind to such a simple "fact" like the one you stated above, that even a child can see? Please do read more about science and particularly about human evolution and look into the fact and evidence that support the theory before making silly claims.

Children of Adam & Eve practice incest to populate but why is it deemed illegal now? So people become black if live in Africa long enough, all Malaysian will become indigenous (Sakai) and everyone is a bumiputra, Good eh? But why the Iraqi clans still fight among themselves, we should all kill ourselves to return to god and become god's bet again otherwise sinners continue to populate.

well,the whole bible is full of contradictions,it claims something is good and what's not on one part then immediately on the other part tells a story that contradicts the things said earlier,inerrant eh?

Hi there. I'm new here just drop by to give some answers, hope it would be helpful. Nope, it's not a speculation but base on the previous human activities recorded which is the Mesopotamia (and Sumeria in some areas nearby) also known as Iraq in the present and Mesopotamia at that time covers almost all part of the present Arabian continent. I studying about it since im taking degree in history For more info: try google on mesopotamian and sumerian ppl

As for how other race came out and how they were created, it's simply through the process of evolution by adaptation like those who in the African continent which have darker skin since they are exposed to sunlight more than the other continent of the world. In addition, their pigmentation system help them enduring the heat from the sunlight unlike those with lighter skin which live in different part of the world.

On hw they were sinned, that is a religion topic. Which i must say, one of the doctrine believe by many Christians these days but not all of them (etc. Orthodox). In Islam for instance, they dont believe in the concept of 'inherit sins' since the koran taught them that every human carry its own sin and others are not responsible with other ppl sins (the same goes for Judaism). Ive been studying this during religion class and one of the famous question asked by many regarding the inherit sin believe by the Christians was if a baby died without being baptized (meaning the baby is carrying the sin of adam) therefore he/she will go to hell for the sin they have never done and knew with? and there was a silence.

to shoot the middle east theory to bits and pieces, earliest human remains is found in africa.

but of course the religion of the people indigenous to middle east has to say that the human race originated from there

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Added on April 11, 2010, 9:32 pmwe would do so much better with wings, and gills, and retractable flippers and fins.

or at least a prehensile tail, lost count of times when i am doing something and go, god, i wish i have a prehensile tail.

This post has been edited by lin00b: Apr 11 2010, 09:32 PM

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to shoot the middle east theory to bits and pieces, earliest human remains is found in africa.

but of course the religion of the people indigenous to middle east has to say that the human race originated from there

Owh yea, u r rite bout that. Sorry for not mentioning bout that. It's true if it's about 'human' remain but what was i pointing was about the oldest human activities recorded that we preserved till now which is the Mesopotamian and Sumerian ppl. They were the earliest civilizations ever recorded in history.

Whenever there's an evolution vs creationism debate, it's automatically assumed that the burden of proof lies with evolution, and that creationism is right until proven wrong.

You don't learn biology in a tertiary institution without learning about evolution. Modern classification of organisms is drawn out of evolutionary linkages. Whenever someone publishes an observation on some life, relationships are drawn to the theory.

Like it or not, evolution theory is now mainstream in the likes of quantum theory's description of subatomic particles, and general relativity's description of cosmic gravitation. Theories in science are not ultimate truths, but they represent the best description of our observations.

There's just no evidence that favors God, else biology will be centered around creationism, and not evolution.

Does it mean that there's no better theory than evolution? We don't know. There may be evidence that we've not discovered. At the moment, it represents our best picture at the evidence. This picture is definitely better than that of creationism which lacks absolutely any evidence.




This is a common argument; evolution fails because it cannot be entirely conclusive so opponents to the theory declare that we therefore need a more definitive theory. They point that Biblical creationism explains more gray areas and therefore must be correct.

This is a flawed argument. A good theory explains the evidence. Theories can have boundaries, such as General Relativity's inability to explain quantum gravity.
A good theory is not simply any theory that answers the most questions, without any evidence.
So yes, we are stuck in a position we have to admit our knowledge of the subject is incomplete. But that's better than blindly just believing in something entirely without evidence.

This post has been edited by nexous: Apr 11 2010, 10:34 PM

I see a pattern of newbie keep popping up to insert religious views, bumping topics everywhere. It makes me less interested to come to Lowyat.net. This is ashamed that people here practice nuisance, perhaps there is an agenda or may just to make worthless traffic.

I want to learn about science not religion nor someone's narrow views, I am signing out.

now if human are created in middle east less than 10k years ago, how does they find the time to travel all the way to the american, australia and those remote pacific island?

Here's a good video on evolution which has some points most of us forget about like vestigial limbs, vestigial genes etc.

The theory of evolution is so powerful and clear, once you know the evidence you can feel the close kinship to nature. Amazingly you are part of nature, part of earth in such an intimate way, you are inseparable from every dead or living creatures that shaped the human species. People who do not know the theory and the evidence that support it, criticize it based on their own ignorance. Their material come from dubious or religious sites that parrot the same old stuff which oddly has not eveloved much with the rest of the human understanding about nature. When claims made are challenged, they disappear as quickly as they made those claims.

you are shifting the goal post, so are ancient africans not human because they lack civilization?

anyway;

sumerian/mesopotamia :

The history of ancient Mesopotamia begins with the emergence of urban societies during the Ubaid period, from ca. 5300 BCE. The history of the Ancient Near East is taken to end with either the arrival of the Achaemenid Empire in the 6th century BCE, or with the arrival of the Islamic conquest of Mesopotamia and the establishment of the Caliphate, from which point the region came to be known as Iraq.

egypt

The Khormusan culture in Egypt began between 40,000 and 30,000 BC.[2] Khormusans developed advanced tools not only from stone but also from animal bones and hematite.[2] They also developed small arrow heads resembling those of Native Americans,[2] but no bows have been found.

china

The early history of China is complicated by the lack of a written language during this period coupled with the existence of documents from later time periods attempting to describe events that occurred several centuries before. The problem in some sense stems from centuries of introspection on the part of the Chinese people which has blurred the distinction between fact and fiction in regards to this early history. By 7000 BCE, the Chinese were farming millet, giving rise to the Jiahu culture. At Damaidi in Ningxia, 3,172 cliff carvings dating to 6,000-5,000 BCE have been discovered "featuring 8,453 individual characters such as the sun, moon, stars, gods and scenes of hunting or grazing." These pictographs are reputed to be similar to the earliest characters confirmed to be written Chinese.[12][13] Later Yangshao culture was superseded by the Longshan culture around 2500 BCE.

but then again, how do you characterize civilization? the production of artificial items (artifacts)? then there are civilization from 20k bce, the production of language (symbols)? also circa 20k bce, culture? or are you so narrow minded to say civilization = city/concentrated mass of population? then are you saying orang asli are uncivilized?

Gee, thanks for telling me about the khomursan culture but im not sure if it's still being consider as civilization. (i must take notes on this anyway, many thanks) during history class we learned that civilization doesnt have proper definition since it's different among historians.

For instance western historian define civilization as follows:
http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/lecture1b.html
As for historian like Ibn Khaldun which his theory we focus on during history class, civilization is define as follows:
http://www.isesco.org.ma/english/publicati...itics/Chap3.php


(about why is Mesopotamia and Sumeria being considered as the earliest civilization)
http://www.historiasiglo20.org/egypt/mesopotamia.htm

If u have any evidences regarding the earliest civilization other than Mesopotamia and Sumeria mentioned by historians pls do tell me. I too, want to learn more