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hezda
post Jun 22 2009, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 22 2009, 02:37 PM)
cause more 360 owners than ps3 owners?
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Not necessary... from VGChartz (don't know how reliable they are), Killzone 2 as of today sold 1.7 million copies and Resistance 2 sold 1.6 million copies (even motorstorm sold twice as much). This is consider very low... and we have more than 23 millions PS3 users. blink.gif

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post Jun 22 2009, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(hezda @ Jun 22 2009, 07:02 PM)
Not necessary... from VGChartz (don't know how reliable they are), Killzone 2 as of today sold 1.7 million copies and Resistance 2 sold 1.6 million copies (even motorstorm sold twice as much). This is consider very low... and we have more than 23 millions PS3 users.  blink.gif
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Actually Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 sold a lot more than that, but the numbers are still nothing great when compare to the likes of Halo and GOW. To some people, these sales number means nothing. But when you think about it, these are the best games that the PS3 have so far. If these best games are not selling that well, then what about those 3rd party titles? As a third party developer, you want to sell as many as possible and looking at the sales number of the PS3 games, you can understand why developers are not putting much effort into the PS3. When this happen, you get lower quality titles and less support. For PS3 to survive, it needs a lot of 3rd party support.

I am not suppose to discuss these thing here because this forum is for discussion of games only!
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QUOTE(hezda @ Jun 22 2009, 07:02 PM)
Not necessary... from VGChartz (don't know how reliable they are), Killzone 2 as of today sold 1.7 million copies and Resistance 2 sold 1.6 million copies (even motorstorm sold twice as much). This is consider very low... and we have more than 23 millions PS3 usersblink.gif
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Just a wild guess but maybe some of those owners bought it just to play BR movies.
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post Jun 23 2009, 12:31 AM

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ya know, we consoles owner have a common enemy. our common foe is the pc gamers. they call consoles dumb. they call guys who owns consoles cheap. so instead of fighting each other, i say we should UNITE and purge the land of these filthy pc owners back to the hole where they came from.
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post Jun 23 2009, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(nwk @ Jun 23 2009, 12:31 AM)
ya know, we consoles owner have a common enemy. our common foe is the pc gamers. they call consoles dumb. they call guys who owns consoles cheap. so instead of fighting each other, i say we should UNITE and purge the land of these filthy pc owners back to the hole where they came from.
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lol u should go into their subforum...
out of nowhere console gamers get shot left n right when console gamers rarely go there (i do lurk there since i am a pc gamer as well)...
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post Jun 23 2009, 01:21 PM

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All my friends are PC gamer....WOW. I am the only one who is console gamer.


Added on June 23, 2009, 1:44 pmtalking about PS3 not getting a lot of love...

Over the weekend Left 4 Dead 2 appeared on the EA Website listing the PS3 as a platform that the game will be hitting. Since then, the listing has since been removed leading many to believe that EA let loose the secret of L4D2 PS3 plans. Valve's Doug Lombardi had this to say:

"That's a typo. Check the trailer - 'exclusively on Xbox 360 and PC.'


Here is another piece of news...

Is It Worth Developing For PS3?

istockanalyst.com writes: The problems of the PS3 are multiple. It has a quirky new CPU architecture and a poor GPU which acts as a bottleneck, hobbling the capabilities of the machine. If this weren't enough there is the unavoidable fact that the PS3 isn't selling very well. We are in mid cycle now, the point at which sales volumes should be ramping up. And for the PS3, they aren't. The main reason for this is price, the PS3 is still vastly too expensive for the market and is cruelly exposed by the bargain that is the Xbox 360.

Sony are caught between a rock and a hard place. The PS3 design contained so many newly developed bits that it was, and remains, very expensive to manufacture. But Sony are not in good financial health so do not have the resources to subsidise a price reduction. Already they have lost billions on the PS3 project. It has proved to be probably the biggest loss maker in the history of video gaming.

I don't create this story. I just wonder why is this kind of news keep popping out everyday on the internet.


Added on June 23, 2009, 1:52 pmI was going thru N4G and this is the 3rd piece of news showing the problems with sony...

In a trend that has to be worrying to Sony executives, every single multi-platform game released in North America this generation has sold in higher numbers on Microsoft's Xbox 360 console. In May of 2009, for example, the NPD analyst group reported that THQ's niche fighting title UFC: Undisputed sold an astonishing 679,000 copies on the Xbox 360 alone, making it the fastest-moving software release on any platform in May. The game managed to sell only 334,000 copies - less than half the number - on Sony's console, where an enthusiastic male teen demographic should have posted better sales numbers for THQ. By contrast, the next highest-selling game on Sony's PS3 console was Infamous, with an impressive but much lower figure of 175,900 copies sold. Clearly, first-party exclusive games are not enough to carry Sony's hardware, and lower multi-platform sales mean that third-party developers are likely to prioritize development on the more lucrative Xbox 360. This was the gist of statements made last week by Activision chief Robert Kotick, who threatened to drop development plans for the Playstation 3 if Sony didn't improve developer relations in 2010.

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post Jun 23 2009, 03:06 PM

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istockanalyst.com writes: The problems of the PS3 are multiple. It has a quirky new CPU architecture and a poor GPU which acts as a bottleneck, hobbling the capabilities of the machine. If this weren't enough there is the unavoidable fact that the PS3 isn't selling very well. We are in mid cycle now, the point at which sales volumes should be ramping up. And for the PS3, they aren't. The main reason for this is price, the PS3 is still vastly too expensive for the market and is cruelly exposed by the bargain that is the Xbox 360.


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post Jun 23 2009, 03:26 PM

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PS2 ruled because there is no "real" competitors back then.

now, its different story. we have PS3, XBOX and WII, all consoles going strong.
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QUOTE(wiNd @ Jun 23 2009, 03:26 PM)
PS2 ruled because there is no "real" competitors back then.

now, its different story. we have PS3, XBOX and WII, all consoles going strong.
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More like SE's support back then, and they didn't take ages to release GT3. I remember PS2 was being sold out everywhere when GT3 was released in Australia, along with a major price drop from AUD729 to AUD399
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post Jun 23 2009, 04:55 PM

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So what do you thing about the PS3 going forward?
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post Jun 23 2009, 05:04 PM

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They sure are going forward, especially this year alone they have done pretty well overall. Just that the pace is lacking which will be picked up when GT5 and FFXIII release rather than over reliance on highly rated but weak sales FPS
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Left 4 dead's prequel was a 360 exclusive. So no wonders there. One thing Sony did good this gen, was promoting a lot of help and talents in their own backed studios, be it first party or second party. Ratchet and Clank franchise, GT franchise, Warhawk Online, Killzone, Resistance, Uncharted, God of War,White Knight, that SOTC sequel,all are great games. No shortages for your RPG,Driving, murder sims laugh.gif or action games there. dont forget good relationship between sega and them, Yakuza 3, Valkyria Chronicles notworthy.gif and the current exclusive FF14 Online.Even Kojima is releasing the true tactical stealth action Peace Walker on PSP. Sony didnt depend on 3rd party games, if they come, they come. if not no biggie.Personal opinion of mine, I like how Sony is strategizing. I can see, they are in for the long haul. Look at Nintendo, and how they expanded their own franchise, they are literally rolling money with their own stuff. not those 3rd party support.

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post Jun 23 2009, 05:21 PM

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I think it's a bit unrealistic to compare Nintendo's own franchise with those of SCE.. the margin is still quite significant for the time being
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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Jun 23 2009, 05:21 PM)
I think it's a bit unrealistic to compare Nintendo's own franchise with those of SCE.. the margin is still quite significant for the time being
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I was coming from the way Nintendo developed their own franchise, not comparing both companies' IP blush.gif

Its a well known fact that Nintendo's IP has their own pedigree nod.gif


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post Jun 23 2009, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jun 23 2009, 04:55 PM)
So what do you thing about the PS3 going forward?
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for those that think all is rosy with the ps3, either u are very naive or a fanboi. there i said it. let the rebuttals commence. lol.

fact of the matter is sony really dropped the ball with the ps3 this time around and still trying to play catch up with nintendo and microsoft.

i would happily share my humble opinions with anyone who wants to engage in a mature and civil conversation... smile.gif







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QUOTE(thurtin @ Jun 23 2009, 05:28 PM)
for those that think all is rosy with the ps3, either u are very naive or a fanboi. there i said it. let the rebuttals commence. lol.

fact of the matter is sony really dropped the ball with the ps3 this time around and still trying to play catch up with nintendo and microsoft.

i would happily share my humble opinions with anyone who wants to engage in a mature and civil conversation... smile.gif
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pls do share.
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post Jun 23 2009, 05:50 PM

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I do agree that sony really drop the ball with the PS3. Sony did try very hard indeed looking at all the first party titles the have line-up for the PS3. But so far all the best game from sony have fail to ignite any excitement in terms of sales for sony.

Sony has done all they can with the software side, but grossly overlook on one thing! It is the price that have fail the PS3 so far and the management still cannot see it.
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they are in this business to make money. as simple as that. i am trying not to sound as arrogant as I can, but if anybody is complaining on a price of a console, why should they be gaming at all since the games that come with it are not free as well wink.gif

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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Jun 23 2009, 05:55 PM)
they are in this business to make money. as simple as that. i am trying not to sound as arrogant as I can, but if anybody is complaining on a price of a console, why should they be gaming at all since the games that come with it are not free as well wink.gif
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I think you got it all wrong.. of course they are in for the money, but from a consumer's point of view the console is still relatively expensive compare to its competitors. Note the word "relatively". Let's put it this way, for those who are not complaining about the price should have own one by now and thus irrelevant, agree? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Jun 23 2009, 06:02 PM)
I think you got it all wrong.. of course they are in for the money, but from a consumer's point of view the console is still relatively expensive compare to its competitors. Note the word "relatively". Let's put it this way, for those who are not complaining about the price should have own one by now and thus irrelevant, agree? unsure.gif
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From a guy who bought the original PS at RM999, PS2 at RM1870 and PS3 at RM1450, I agree.

The thing is, consumers is a macro definition of it. I like to use the word, Gamers instead. It narrows down the market target. There are a lot of cars. Perodua is definately cheaper than Ferrari. But what does Ferrari offer? And, thats why you see a lot of Peroduas on the street smile.gif

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