This thread is created especially for those who want to share their tactics that they think very usefull and could help other managers to be success in Football Manager 2009. We could also discuss about how the tactics works and how to build a very good tactics.

Now i will share one of my own tactic that i build, inspired by Guardiola - real world tactic that have made the Barcelona team to be very successfull this season. I've just tested it with Man City, and here is the result when they play UEFA Cup qualifying round.

here some screen shot.



and here is the tactic.
Barcelona 4-1-3-2

here are some of the tactical optional you guys can try and play with. These tactics I took from another FM forum. All of these tactics is refered to the document i've posted below.


how to use the tactics above.


First of all, i just want to tell you guys about tactical teorem in Football Manager 2009.

The tactical engine in Football Manager 2009 is the very best i've ever seen in this world. It can generate
a very Real World like tactics, that we always seen in TV or stadium. This engine is build according to
what we set on the sliders. Any tweak on the sliders could effect the whole game. So the most important
thing that we as a manager should know is:-
a) The right tactic to tackle a situation.
b) How to set the tactic correctly in the Football Manager 2009.

Most of us managers knows a simple tactical knowledge for example the famous 4-4-2 attacking or the
4-5-1 mourinho style, but do we all really know how to set it correctly in Football Manager 2009?

Alright everything that i've learned about the game, i have taken from many forum and experimented it in the game
combining with ideas that i always adopt from real world football. I've manage to try and use the benitez's 5x5 theory,
as well as Mourinho's 4-5-1 Nike defense. Most of it i got from THIS document. The document explain well
about how you will create your own tactics. I suggest you guys should read that document first to better understand
the term FCa, FCs, FCd .... until DCa, DCs, DCd. Then u can create your own tactics.

As for now, i will just explain in general about tactical in Football Manager 2009.



-to be continue-

This post has been edited by akubaem: Jun 12 2009, 10:12 AM

wow. 13? im not so sure. something is fishy, it is not only the tactics. that team should have been damn weak.

my biggest result was 5-0 i think. or 6-0. playing with Milan, n using the 4-1-2-1-2 the diamond. although i did change in the individual settings, to suit each position according to my own player positioning.

might try your tactic. although it takes the team a while till they get adjusted to a new tactic, n play in full potential.

the printscreen i'm showing is not about the score... the team i'm facing is very 16x weak after all... the thing i'm showing is the statistic...

if you look at it, my team perform well because of dominating the game... i manage to dominate the possesion by playing a simple short pass, just like Barcelona do... And the top players in Barcelona like messi, eto, henry and iniesta's playing type, i put it in to suit the likes of SWP, Marquinhos, Robinho and Elano...

Later i will tell you guys how to build your own tactic the way you prefer in Football Manager 2009.

wow! 13?? cool. how bout other match?

lol, me myself get shock to get the result to be honest , mostly the game before i only manage to get 6-0 the most, but because this result really shock me, i think maybe i should paste it here to shock you guys as well ...

im playing with portsmouth..
last season got no4 spot..
i used the 4-2-2-4 tactic... 2 - dm and 2 - winger..
i use narrow, short pass, normal speed.. really work well against big 4.

but starting this season this tactic no longer working.. rite now no.11(january oredi)..

dont know why my player cant perform even i used the same player last season and this season

usually people, will play narrow for more defensive approach. This type of tactic will tight that goal area where an attacking team get little space to shoot from there, and at the same time when the opposition lose possesion the team could do damage on counter attacking. Maybe thats why you get good result againts big 4. But if you play like this againts the team that you suppose to be winning like west brom, its hard for you to win because they will sit there and wait for you to attack.

How bout you share your tactic here, and maybe if not me or someone else can show you where is the problem in your tactical approach.

This post has been edited by akubaem: Jun 10 2009, 08:29 AM

formation


tactic


last season with the same tactic, i manage to finish in 4th, now im in 12th..
feel wanna cheat and restart all over again, but oredi in 2011/2012 season..

can u send the *.tac file... i also need to see your setting for each of your individual...

use mediafire --> here

This post has been edited by watever-u-like: Jun 10 2009, 06:52 PM

from what i can see here, your defensive line stay too far behind your midfielder & stikers, the gap there will be expose... Try to read my document that i posted above...

you should know that mentality is vital to create a good tactic.. you should also know the defination of FCs & MCs... the function of those player i will say in general is to link between stiker and midfield, and between midfield and defenders.. take for example in last time england pair owen & heskey, heskey is the FCs, he is the linkage player to get the ball from the midfield into forward. He's also the holding forward which hold the ball until the cavalry arrive. The MCs is usually the DM, but not a must... this we see most of the time in premierleague, example mascherano/alonso for liverpool, mikel/essien for chelsea, carrick/owen hargreve for man united, denilson/gallas for arsenal... this player defensively will be the first line of defense before the oppenent reach into your back 4.. in attacking this is the player that link and get the passing from the defender into midfield...

your passing setting in general is ok, but the setting is for a defensive minded tactic. Your, a defender will clear the ball more often, and will create a fast counter attack. this is good tactic againts a team that is better than yours..

but for attacking minded tactic, you should start to get a possession from the defense. Meaning the passing setting should be short for the defense, mixed for the midfield, and direct for the strikers. This is good tactic when your facing a lower team than yours...

All that i'm saying here already included in the document i've posted above, if you read them, you will understand most of what i'm saying.... after this i will post a couple of tactic, you should see how it set for the attacking, standard and defensive minded tactic.... try to play with it and try to create your own... have fun...

This post has been edited by akubaem: Jun 12 2009, 08:50 AM

thanx. just downloaded the document, but maaan so many word..
i try to find a free time to read the document, and thanx 4 the review..

but sadly portsmouth sack me, so whatever.....

Hi guys, all are Football Manager 2009 players here??

I'm going to get a cd, install and play, or i can just download from internet??

And when will 2010 be released?? just wonder FM and CM, which one is better and why

it is really helpful that document. im gonna print it in next days. lol. i made a 4-4-2. the classical one. but i have changed everything. defensive, attack, standard tactic.

Mentality, creativity, passing, crossing, etc. almost i made everything individually (per positoin). and didnt use anything as Global setting, (global mentality, global creativity, etc). so far friendly games (pre-season) are all wins.

Im playing with udinese. wanna play a real challenge. in two fixtures, ill play Milan. If i get positive outcome. gonna post the tactic. otherwise gonna keep it for myself. lol

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Added on June 15, 2009, 12:05 am31.8.2008, San Siro

A.C. Milan

Statistic

Udinese

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16

Shots

6

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11

On Target

2

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5

Off Target

4

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1

Blocked Shots

1

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4

Clear Cut Chances

2

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47%

Possession

53%

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2

Corners

2

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14

Free Kicks

23

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11

Throw-Ins

15

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9

Fouls

10

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14

Offsides

4

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80%

Passes Completed

70%

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25%

Crosses Completed

30%

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84%

Tackles Won

88%

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63%

Headers Won

43%

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0

Yellow Cards

0

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0

Red Cards

0

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This post has been edited by night_wolf_in: Jun 15 2009, 12:05 AM

hmm, just start and play with a new game man... We'll guide you through the tactical of your new team, but for the player, you should know which player to pick...


dude, you are out of topic...


I'm glad you like it... the document help me alot in determining my own tactics... but be sure that you assess your opponent first before going on what type of tactical mentality to play... if you make a good decision, you should be surprise of what the outcome will be...

This post has been edited by akubaem: Jun 15 2009, 10:05 AM

I have trouble installing my Football Manager 2009. Please advice. Thanks =)

again out of topic, this thread talk about tactics... plz go to other Football Manager 2009 thread to ask about this...

But the other thread is closed...

its not close, go and try it out...

ya, picking the right players was the toughest thing to do. speically that im playing with a club, i dont really know their good players. So im struggling.

choosing tactics is difficult. but so far, i have better possision than any team i played against. Even when i played against Juve (current leader) n i managed a draw. although i lost against Inter. Sigh, n they gave me 5million to buy players with. lol.

gonna upload the tactics soon.

I think one of the most important things, are the Forward Runs, Mentality, and type of passing. cause at each situation, you would need your players to have different set.

Yes forward runs will determine the players attacking mindset... together with mentality, it will be obvious which player will be up front when attacking, and which player will be down the field when defending... This will make a simple idea on how many players will be attacking and how many players will be behind the ball while defending... The passing also will determine how u want to play the game...

http://www.mediafire.com/?myz41ddfjog

tactic

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Added on June 20, 2009, 2:16 pmthe most difficult formation i had to play is, 4-1-2-2-1. which is besically 4-3-3. i wonder what will be good way to tackle this formation.

any ideas?

This post has been edited by night_wolf_in: Jun 20 2009, 02:16 PM

Anyone play for chelsea? What the best tactic? I use 4-1-2-2-1, but my attack kinda suck.... The lone striker up front always got low rating. Here's my team,


..........................Drogba/Anelka..........................


Malouda...................................................Joe Cole


.....................Ballack............Lampard/Deco............


............................... Essien/Mikel



A. Cole................Fazio.............Terry...... Bosingwa


............................... Cech....................................


Even draw with Ipswitch and lost to City and Wolves, but win against big team but only for few goals though. Even those most of it from long shot and headers.

try play short pass through the middle.if i play 4-5-1 using arsenal,i use short pass through middle.the wingers then become strikers eventhough they play on the flanks.that lone striker should drop a lil bit his attacking mentality,maybe put it as normal or a lil bit defensive.sometimes,my formation can become 4-3-1-2 with that lone striker becomes att mid and supply the ball to the flanks.of course,the striker hardly score goal unless he manage to breakthrough the defenders.

yea, my asst manager also, remind that in every match, says my forward is outnumbered to opposition defenders. But no choice for other tactic though, since chelsea got lot of good MC and less striker.

Regarding ur point u mean by set the striker mentality to normal? I think the rating always drop because my lone striker always loose the ball due to hard tackling and tight marking by the defenders. How to overcome that?

Btw, how to play long ball like CPU team? Always break my offside trap by long pass. Luckily terry is brilliant defender.

This post has been edited by Predatorazor84: Jul 22 2009, 08:42 PM

i got a thread on other forum which i posted my usable and successful tactic, possible to link here? treble win barcelona, arsenal 13 years undefeated, QPR premier league win 4th season.

i want to ask something regarding the pdf file about tactic

what are they mean by:

GK: 7
DC: 8
FB: 9
MCd: 10
MCa: 12
FCs: 13

and what they mean by:

Defensive: FCd (x +5); FCa (x + 8)

This post has been edited by beck_ken: Jul 26 2009, 02:43 AM

don't let him hold the ball.play fast and set his passing to short.think logically.if defender comes to you,u sure pass to the shortest option right?

play long ball?just slide the pass level till the highest la.lol
long ball depends on the pitch.if the pitch is long then the successful rate is high.or else it might end up behind for goal kick or keeper might come out to clear the ball.

aha..still figuring it out.anybody knows?

x=mentality of DC; So FCd (x+5) = mentality for FCd should be 5 notch more than DC.

Sorry... long time not active at this thread, got busy with work... btw - heres some idea of what you should know from the pdf file. first the a/d/s at the back of the DC/MC/FC:-
a = attack minded
d = defense minded
s = support minded

so for example, for DCa, meaning the DC should help the attacking force when they attack. or FCd, meaning the FC that should help the defensive force when they are defending.

example of a real world player (in liverpool):-

DCa - Danniel Agger
MCd - Mascherano
MCs - Xabi Alonso
MCa - Steven Gerrard
FCs - Robbie Keane

So, back to your question. The number on the side is their suggested mentality for each of their players formation.

and for the second question, i believe it means that for the tactical setting that use a defensive approach, it is suggested that x is base on your DC minded, so for FCd you set the maximum of x + 5. and your FCa to set the maximum of x + 8.
For example, you have set your DC mentality to 8 notch, so, for your FCd set their mentality somewhere from 8 to 13, and your FCa mentality somewhere from 8 to 16 according to your preference...


I think that should cover your questions...


I agree with you about the lone striker should drop a lil bit for their mentality. If you read the pdf files i've always talked about, you should set your lone striker as the FCd, and tick the hold ball option. Then both of the wingers should be set as FRa/FLa. So, what this tactical do, is that, your lone striker will attempt to draw the opponent's DC away from their lines by holding the ball far from the final third, and at the same time it will give more time for the flanks to position themself in an attacking position. When the ball past to the flanks, you have 2 option. You could set your flanks to either do more crossing or do more cut-in. Example on this is when last time robben play, the ask him to do more cut-in play, but when malouda played they ask him to do more on crossing and drogba which is the lone striker will be the target man that score the goal. If you watch closely in real world, anelka won't have the same attribute as drogba, so, how they set between those two lone striker up front is different on the approach.


Please do. I really doubt that there is a single tactic that could win every game you play, even if you had the best players in the world. Unless, in any way, it has something that could cheat the engine. Why i said that, is because, every tactic have an approach and each approach have its up and down. We take a simple 3 tactical common approach for example ; Defensive approach vs Normal approach vs Attacking approach.

Attacking approach - This tactic will maximize the attack, but at the same time will cost your defense into minimal. This tactical approach penetrate the opponents defense to score as many goal as your team can. But if you use this tactics againts a very good and well dicipline defensive team, your team could end up chasing back againts the opponent's counter attack and could lose the game.

Defensive approach - This tactic will maximize your defense, but will cost your attacking into minimum. This tactical approach need a very good defender and well dicipline defense team. Usually this tactical approach is used on a game that you usually lose. This tactic rarely produce a winning game, because the goal is not to concede any goal. But if you lucky enough, you could walk out winning the game.

Normal Approach - This tactical approach devide the attacking and defensive at the same level. The good thing is that you could defense well enough and attack well enough. The downturn for this approach is that your team cannot score too many goals as you should againts lower team, and if being attacked by a very good attacking team, you usually cannot be sure of walking away with cleansheet. So, this approach don't always give u a win.

So, i really wonder if there is such thing as single tactic that could always give you a win, either you are a good team (arsenal 13 year undefeated) or not a good team (QPR, 4th season premier league title).

This post has been edited by akubaem: Aug 4 2009, 07:37 PM