yup..Pentium D heat issues..weird why no one say "Intel Hot" becoz of tat issues..
n yet the history AMD hot still in their mind..

every company sure have bad issues... and they learn from their mistakes

If you want to buy AMD and believe it gives you good value for money/performance ratio, please by all means go ahead. Granted they do have a few skus that are actually a good value proposition.

If you are buying their procs just to support them and be a fanboy to prove AMD will survive against Intel - then you are no different from those idiot investors who are dumping hundreds of millions(billions) in investment down the drain QUARTER AFTER QUARTER. If anyone who actually know their financial history dating back 10-15 years would be sufficient to know that investors hoping for ROi back in that amount of time is living in fantasy land.

This post has been edited by itanium: Jun 10 2009, 04:23 PM

Then are u trying to say we should dump our moneyh to a company that is already soo rich so that in the end they can charge us the users a premium even for their value cpu when there is no more competition?

Good thinking

Welcome to the Capitalist world. Like i said there ARE some skus in AMD that are of value, and to those who insists on better performances and AMD happen to have none naturally they will buy Intel EE versions. You cant expect Intel to sell EE(no competition from competitor) cheap can you? would you if you were Intel?

"Then are u trying to say we should dump our moneyh to a company that is already soo rich so that in the end they can charge us the users a premium even for their value cpu when there is no more competition? " - i can honestly tell you this looks like someone smokin great stuff sitting in his room too long. Time to wake up and see the world - the REAL world.

BTW MS's position is even better than *ntel's, and i dont see you singing a different tune like ' support Linux/ dont use Windoze' ?

This post has been edited by itanium: Jun 10 2009, 04:38 PM

The only prob i see is that u came here talking crap about investors of AMD being stupid in investing a company which has currently spent most of the time in the RED..
Are u really thinking this clear?? Do u really think all other people beside urself being stupid for doing things that do not come into ur liking???..
Those people are involve in business that u n i will never know.. For all we know they may have calculated the risk n find it to be more untung for them.. So let them be..
We will never know where is the golden goose right now in business, a problem company right now could be a goldmine in years to come, vise versa.. So stop being an a**..
What ur babbling has nothing to do with what the TS is asking..

wow....fanboys strike 1 - sane thinkin - 0. Nuff said, proves the fanboys seriously blind.

1) i never said all amd are trashs, i even go to the extend of applauding them for some great skus.
2) Last few replies proves that fanboys are aggresive when their territory is 'encroached' and the 1st response would be name calling which imo is pretty lame and 'uneducated'
3) My reply is relevent so that TS would go and do a research of which amd skus would be suitable/ performance/price ratio vs the quad cores he is looking at.
4)Goldmine in years to come - apparently 15 years isnt long enuff....right.

This post has been edited by itanium: Jun 10 2009, 06:33 PM

Seriously with the points u trying to make i'm starting to wonder who's the fanboy's actually are??

1.Well i don't question u saying about amd cpu trash or whut not, i'm just questioning why the hell u came to this thread not knowing head or tails then suddenly trying to act like ur so high and mighty and simply calling amd investors stupid?? Are they using ur money?? Did they took out a loan from u to invest in that company?? No?? They why do u need to call people stupid? Its their money so why should u care? By acknowledging amd has A FEW good SKU's isn't what u would call an APPLAUDING ah..

2.Which last few replies do u meant? About forumers trying to clear some bad misconception about AMD cpu's?? So are we supposed to just shut up if we know something is wrong??

3. I'm saying ur reply isn't relevant coz telling someone to do some research about which amd sku's would suitable but at the same time masking a big BUT at the back with the line like "If you are buying their procs just to support them and be a fanboy to prove AMD will survive against Intel.." isn't what i call helping at all..

4.Stop talking like u know business n simply blasting people coz i didn't say that AMD would be a goldmine or something, but i'm merely pointing out to u that in the REAL business world, businesses would do that, invest in flailing companies to maybe get a foothold like in this case in a semiconductor company coz their other options isn't viable like investing in (Intel=Already too stable can survive alone/ VIA=Not impressive in term of product portfolio) etc.. That's how business runs ler.. And do ur research also that the climb and fall of a company especially in IT is hard to predict, just look at Apple, IBM, ATI, Nvidia & many others net companies.. Just for the record, businesses aren't made in a few years sometimes much2 longer than u can ever comprehend..

Last post - pointless to argue with fanbois/idiot's'.

This post has been edited by itanium: Jun 10 2009, 08:30 PM

a proc can nvr overheat with stock fan cos those stock fans are made to cool the proc down to the required standard.... regardless amd or intel.....

unless u OC then it will be another case....

the overheating problem normally comes when u have too much dust piled up at the heatsink after using the pc for some time......

so u sound like intel fan-buaya..

why so serious..

It's true that there are cases where Intel has a better price/performance price ratio compared to AMD, especially in the dual-core arena.

But now TS is wanting to get a quad-core.

So tell me, are you going to be Intel's advocate and say Intel's quad cores have a better price/performance ratio? If so, then obviously you're either an idiot, an Intel fanboy or both.

As you saying people who invests in AMD are idiots, this clearly means that you're already either an idiot, an Intel fanboy or both. Simply because it has been remarkable how AMD is able to compete with Intel and not just survive the competition with Intel despite being deprived from customers just because Intel played dirty, not to mention Intel is more than 30 times richer than AMD. It's true Intel's Core technology is better, but you must remember that nothing lasts for long in the world of technology. AMD might be happily selling their Athlons X2 which are so much better than Pentium Ds one day and the next day, Intel releases their Core technology and the entire table was turned.

So let me ask you, do you seriously think Intel will stay on top all the time? Do you seriously think that the investments gone into AMD is hopeless?

If you answer is yes... you're an....


IDIOT

Now u know how i feel talking to u

that's y u lose to him...
never argue with an idiot. they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience

Very good argument in here. regardless of Intel or Amd, go either 1 that you think that suits ur need and ur budget best TS,.....

guess what ?

my dad called me just now and said he already configured the pc without consulting me. But i did told him i wanted to try amd. Luckily he chose the phenom II x4 and im using it now

But one thing im not satisfied is, the fan on the processor is freaking loud. Is this normal ? But i have to tell u that my casing is the lobang2 one u know, where the sound escape easily thru these holes. But even when i put something to cover it, it is still louder than normal.

or maybe i dunno how today's PCs sound like coz i havent upgraded pc for years

Somehow AMD is deprived, but INTEL is always too lucky (). A casual observation around me:

- All of the desktop computers which my family members have brought in the past have all been INTEL based. (Somehow the decision had all been happening automatically - just like second nature...)

- All of my cousin's computers are INTEL based...

- Even today, the desktop and notebook computers belonging to my two older brothers, which they just brought, are all INTEL based. (Even all of my dad's past and present notebook computers are powered by INTEL, heck, even the notebook computer that I am using right now to type out this post is INTEL powered.)

- At university, all of the countless of computers in the library are powered by INTEL...Recently, all of the old systems were replaced with new systems, and they are all also powered by INTEL...

- All of the workstation computers in the multiple computer labs of my university are all powered by INTEL.

- Cybercafes all around me are primarily using INTEL powered rigs, and running on INTEL powered servers.

I believe that all of the servers in colleges, universities, and offices are all running on INTEL as well...

However, my next rig might not be powered by INTEL...

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Jun 10 2009, 10:00 PM

go get a aftermarket cooler, sunbeamtech core contact freezer or xigmatek red scorpion

im not planning to add anything right now

anyway, r u saying that the processor is running hot therefore the fan runs faster, hence creating more noise ? Or it's just the fan ?

normally when u start up some programs, it will load up the cpu, hence the fans will turn faster to compensate the heat generated from the processes.

the stock fans will always be loud. try to invest in some aftermarket cooler, with those 120mm fans based. it will lower down the noise generated.