Hello all guru's guru's

really need plenty of help out here....

i am in the mist of searching for the best AV receiver in its respective price range....... ( must have the ability to support HD-DTS, and also up-sampling from component, s-video to 1080p.. budgeting around 3k but if can get better SQ and PQ really don't mind forking out a little bit more if its worth the $$$$

--best of 3k range
--best of 4k range
--bets of 5k range

i am shortlisting Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer and Onkyo ( the Sei Tai Tien Wong)

my preference must also include quality audio as i have a dedicated CD Player and a Dvico to play lossless Flac

Also is it better to use the same speaker package, or mix and match, what i actually mean is, if i use a quality speaker for mains i am afraid, i am afraid it will not produce that good a sound quality as compared to a integrated ..... so it will be waste..... or is it....?????

Thanks,

--best of 3k range - Denon 1909, Yamaha RX-V863, Marantz SR5003
--best of 4k range - Yamaha RX-V1900, Denon 2309, Onkyo SR806, Marantz 7002, Marantz SR6003
--bets of 5k range - Yamaha RX-V3900, Denon 2809, Onkyo SR876, Pioneer LX51

so which is the best of each category


Thanks

I think u will get different opinions from different people. Better you google for reviews on the models listed and come to your own conclusion. Also do try to audition them if you can.

better still get 3808a

kao tim

That one in 6k range right?

yeap 3808a 6k range

hmm..... its really a tough decision,

hopefully this coming AV fair 24th to 26th July, will help me source for one

and ... fingers crossed.....new models will be launched too

and also.... is it true that prices given by desa are parallel import models...???? or are they really clearing stock??

If you want good music, always go for stereo amp. Somehow AV amp is lacking in music department. I bought a Jungson Class A amp which is quite good and around RM 2k.

My simple solution,
Buy good speaker set with medium AVR or the best speaker set with flagship AVR. Don't waste your fund for high end AVR if your speaker only entry level range.

AVR not really excellent in music, cheaper Class A amp like Audiolab or Musical Fidelity (used price RM1k+) simply could produce excellent musical sound. Not many AVR produce musical sound, my Yamaha THX AVR produce very clean & flat sound, my Onkyo 905 produce warm, detail & bright sound, my friend Denon Flagship, Sherwood 965 set & Marantz SR18 produce clean, detail & good musical (average). Normally we test the sound quality with Tannoy Dualconcentric fullrange speaker (very high sensitivity 95+db). This is only my small experienced.

My advise try audition latest Marantz SR6k or SR7k and Yamaha 800series with good speaker package like Klipsch or Wharfadale.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/949411


This post has been edited by jemmi: Jun 9 2009, 12:24 PM

How do you define whether speakers are good, best or entry level?

As you know AVR price range is quite narrow, from 1k+ for entry level to about 7k+ can be considered near the top. But for speaker sets the price range is huge, top end ones are like tens of thousands.

This is an art. You need to do speaker matching with amp. If you can get a hifi company to loan you the equipment to test at home, this is your best option.

I beg to differ bro. Its better to have a higher end amp and low end speakers rather than having higher end speakers but with amp not powerful enuf to support them.

It might go both ways i guess .. lower end AVR just to decode. Great speakers .. Power amps to drive them .. syok.

ends just have to meet .. balance would be the best choice. Klipsch are easy to drive and it ain't that expensive to delivery such performance.

Oh yea TS, sorry out of topic .. couldn't help.
As for the word "Best AVR within 3/4/5K" i guess it'll never end.
AVR goes out date pretty fast now a days, but getting a decent one should get you going.

My choice would be here .. 3K budget .. just get the 6003 .. if 4K get the 1900. anyway 3K AVR should do you good for some time. spend the 2K extra for a better sub ..

But I don't believe in final purchases .. it'll get replaced by time.

Yea.... guess so, each and every one has their own point.

i was told the Pioneer LX series 50/51, is the only avr range that is designed for good surround and stereo playback, is it true...??
can any one confirm/tested to support the facts....?????

But...... the LX50/51 is already obsolete, the next shipment of new models expected sept/oct (TBA)

was also advice the best... is Quality AVR with Quality Speakers, but if tight on budget split the $$$ and go for cheaper AVR but quality Speakers........... as the speakers is the last output that produce the sonics.....

but have any sifu's really compared between yamaha, denon, onkyo, pioneer, marantz to see which is the best value for money in its class.

Thanks



my present system, already sold and looking for component sets


This post has been edited by moomoos: Jun 9 2009, 11:15 PM

i see a dvico...is that a 4100 or 6500?

No exact rules there. But for me, speakers sld be abt double or more than the price of AV rcvr.

huh? sure?

I tought the rule of thumb is spend around 30% of your budget on your AVR and then 70% of the rest on speakers?

Besides, the tech of AVR always change, while good speakers set can be use for long time?

Speaker > Amp > Cable. Speaker normally will give you the most sonic benefit.

My experience it the critical thing in obtaining good sound is amp to speaker matching.

Sometimes and budget amp (standalone) paired with higher end speakers sound great, sometimes entry level speakers with mid level amp is better.

The one thing to watch out for would be the speaker sensitivity and the amp current. If well matched, the amp can drive the speakers efficiently and sound will not be strained. Well balanced.

Good AMP + Good Speaker = Good System= Happy!!!

define ur budget & get something u can afford comfortably.. unless $$ is not an issue

that's very true....unless upgrade bug bite u

Agreed on the speaker-amp matching. Practically though this is hard to achieve because not able to mix and match different speakers and amps to find the right combination. It's not like there is one shop with all the amp choices you want plus the speaker choices. Even if there was I wonder if they will entertain you so much to demo the various combinations.

Speaker > Room > Amp > Cables (and other assorted tweaks)

Yeap rthj,

its a Dvico 4000, use it to play DVI upconvert 1080i HDMI to Sony

Music -- FLAC, WAV& MP3
Movies-- iso files, BD rip (ts & Video) format, AVI, DIVX

seriously bought the Sony Hitb DAV-DZ870KW wrongly, does not support HDMI ......mistake and now searchnig for AV receiver



hmm....most probably, will wait for denon, pioneer and onkyo to launch their new series this coming AV fest, but....but still the Pioneer LX series TBA in sept/oct le....

YEP I agree on the Room part.

But shouldn't it be Room>Speakers>Amp>Tweaks. Got to get a room first right?
But I do believe in room, or it'll either be overwhelming or no feel LAH.

30/70 on AVR/Speaker is good way to go.

yes i do believe in room acoustics...

see the wood panel at back of my LCD TV in earlier post.

This tweak, really improve the sound a lot. resulting in

1- tighter bass
2- vocals really stand out
3- hear musical depth and distinctive placing and separation
4- overall sound acoustic improve tremendously

just for a mere RM350.00, and its no ordinary wood

U mean those 6 wooden tubes?

What la people....room always there la. Amp, speakers, cables are the one to buy

So it should be..... room(speaker>amp>cable)

Someone pls add room acoustic in the equation

room^2({speaker*amp}/{speaker*cable})^½ ??


note: it makes no sense whatsoever

This post has been edited by rthj: Jun 10 2009, 06:04 PM

yeap thats right......

Can you share what is special about those 6 wooden tubes? Are they specially made for acoustic purposes or they are used for other reasons but you adapted them for acoustic purposes.

1st of all i am not the one who manufacture or make it. i got it from an audioplile shop, and he hand made it.

believe me, if you terbalik (upside down) it the sound is different.,just don't know how he derive the technical "know-how" or principle....he seems to tell me that its for reflecting sound waves to a certain extend

i am just a layman but i sure can tell the differences is towards quality sonics....well it sure definitely improve the overall soundstage.

rgds

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Added on June 10, 2009, 7:17 pmseriously i am a no good hifi audiophile listener,

also i know there are still a lot of sound room giving demo but the sound is out.

take the vocal for example, next time when you audition try to locate where the vocal is coming from (yea its definitely from the center) what i mean is the vocal height....


no need to close eyes and concentrate one, many sound room, have the vocal at a height of 2.5ft to 3ft(measurement from floor.)

this is just like the singer, be it he or she is just sitting on the floor and crooning a melody to you.

ideally, the singer should be standing, imagine the singers height, YES..... the singer's height, that's where the vocal should be coming out from

give it a try and you know what i mean


This post has been edited by moomoos: Jun 10 2009, 07:17 PM