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post Jun 18 2009, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(headhunter7 @ Jun 18 2009, 07:18 AM)
A goalkeeper is seriously the least we'd have to worry about. Kuszcak and Foster are up to the task, shown in a number of games this previous season.

If SAF plays a normal 4-4-2 diamond,

-------------Foster/Kuszcak

Brown------Rio-------Vidic ----- Evra
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Nani/Park ------------------------Tosic/Ljajic
--------------------?----------------------
------------------Berbatov
--------------Rooney
That middle question mark could prove vital to us retaining the title.

Other positions are fully equipped with great talents.
We have yet to see a replacement for the great Keano.
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We can forget about replacing Keano. There's no other player like him out there. What you can do however is get 2 players who would bring the same quality that Keano did for us. We have that in Carrick, Fletcher and Hargreaves..

QUOTE(monosyllabic @ Jun 18 2009, 07:39 AM)
Those question marks can be filled by either Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson or Hargreaves. What you really don't want is the newcomers (Tosic/Ljajic) on the wings (at least initially - they can be blooded in as the season goes on). Park should take up the left flank, but I am not really sure if Nani is up to the task. Ronaldo's imminent departure has left the door wide open for him to finally prove that he's not just a Ronaldo stepover clone with no delivery. What we need is to go back to the days of knocking in crosses. Rooney can definitely get on the end of those, and Berba can follow up... and the midfielders need to get their scoring boots on cause there'll be a giant hole to fill with goals.
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Nani's first season.. still remember? He was ahead of Park(although injured a lot) then. If given regular games, I'm sure he would cement one of the wing spot.

Last 3-4 seasons our midfielder weren't allowed to go forward that much. Only the wingers would have the freedom to attack and go into advance position, while the CMs generally sit deep. That's why we don't see them score that much, although to be fair none of our midfielders have that mentality/ability to score consistently(for CMs). We'll see how we set the team up with Ronaldo now gone. They might be given license to bomb forward a lot more.

QUOTE(cellfreezer @ Jun 18 2009, 08:40 AM)
Can't SAF find a natural goalscorer like Nistelrooy? Or should he just swallow his pride and take RVN back?
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Given their history.. I doubt that. Also would Ruud be happy with a squad tag. That's one of the reason he left, because he was behind Saha and Rooney. We need to find someone happy being a squad player. Tevez doesn't like that role, so we can forget about getting someone of similar caliber. We need another Saha(Fulham days), someone not yet regarded as world class/on the same level with other top strikers..
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post Jun 18 2009, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 18 2009, 12:06 PM)
what lah about all this strikers and forwards , man utd need big muscles and power in midfield lah and if not than at least we need a midfield aggressor . anderson probably because of his age fell a little short on this

fletcher,giggs,scholes,park,anderson and nani , some look old and some with physique like keci meow , how to win in big games and somemore ,more often than not , carrick good passing is always not there in important games

tevez ,park and rooney sometimes run like headless chicken with not much end product in sight.

with our main power and muscle man gone , and if fergie dont get it right this time , we may struggle to win major trophies next season

knowing that not much time are on fergie side before he retires , cant help thinking how much chance he's willing to give our young forward like marcheda and kiko to play. now ,with rooney expected to lead the forward line and with support from berba ,kiko and welbeck , it may just be sufficient. unless we want instant and ready made player , then benzema and villa will fit in but again how much desire or how much motivation these players have in adapting to the adverse weather condition in manchester besides the cultural issues. though the challenges to win trophies is great
we have ignore our central midfield probably because ronaldo is there with us as he is in action on everything and scholes and giggs are still not that old then and now that he's gone and giggs and scholes are not getting any younger , i really hope fergie will do something about that

looks like we are a liitle like real madrid , always like to take in forwards

emm, vucinic kinda appealing and if he's not a star yet , we made him one after he join us
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It's not about muscle.. Barca had 3 guys who are hardly monsters playing against us in midfield, and even with their superior passing, we did well enough to hold onto the ball to make it almost even possession wise. It's what we do with the possession which was disappointing. But if we want to counter other powerful midfield, just play Hargreaves/Fletcher.

Hargreaves/Fletcher/Anderson/Carrick.. are good enough, although neither of them at this moment in time can be viewed on the same level as the other top midfielders. They're a level or two below, but play any 3 of those, they are more than a match for any midfield.

We don't need another star striker here, just need someone good enough to be our 3rd striker and is happy to fight it out/rotate with Roo and Berba. SAF already said Welbeck will have a chance of joining England's squad in the World Cup. That must mean he will feature for us a bit next season. He along with Macheda will be our 4th choice striker..

QUOTE(fookie @ Jun 18 2009, 01:24 PM)
duno why i got the feeling lolnaldo won't be going to RM.
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He will go, unless RM offer him far lower than what he gets with us right now.
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post Jun 20 2009, 01:28 PM

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Why is his name on that page?
Surely Real ain't that stupid to just sell off one of the best GK around?
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post Jun 20 2009, 01:31 PM

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http://www.manutd.com/publish.sps?pagegid=...file&bioid=4015


Added on June 20, 2009, 1:31 pmWe're getting Vito Baia
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post Jun 20 2009, 07:20 PM

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It's not so much about the money for Tevez, although maybe Kia have a bit of say in that and he wants a lot more, but for Tevez it's more about being a regular, which for us he wasn't. Good luck to him. I'm relieved to see that I have to say. Not because I don't think he's crap or anything, just don't believe he's worth that much and we need another type of striker in the side.

Ribery + Vucinic/Huntelaar will do for me.


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post Jun 21 2009, 02:07 AM

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We have the best squad in years. Quality 1st 11, quality covers for each position. Have a mix of youth, experience and players coming into/already their prime. Almost perfect. We will lose Ronaldo, and looks like Tevez as well. Ronaldo need replacing IMO. I hope for a Ribery to play on one side, with Nani cementing his place on the other side. With Park and Tosic as covers. Center of midfield would be fine with Ando, Carrick and Fletcher able to match against any midfield. With Hargreaves, Scholes, Giggs and the youngsters providing backup. People talk about Scholes fading and arguing we need to replace him to match up with other top midfields, but IMO last 3 seasons we've done better without him in the side against those teams. Sure the middle of the park look lacking a bit against the other top team's midfield, but play any 3 of those first four, they would match any midfield as shown the last 3 seasons.

Rooney and Berba will score more I bet now Ronaldo's gone. The others would too with us changing the way we play to suit the players we have rather than focusing on Ronaldo getting on the end of things. Tevez is easily replaceable. 19+15 goals last 2 seasons ain't that much. Berba could easily surpass that himself and if we bring in a new striker, along with Macheda and Welbeck would easily get that 15 goals if given similar minutes. Nani will score around 10 if given regular starts. That new winger and the other midfielders will chip in a few. If we get back to something like in the 06/07 season, we would be far more dangerous that we've been last 2 seasons.
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post Jun 21 2009, 11:09 AM

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Less than a month away huh? Can't wait for that. nod.gif
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post Jun 22 2009, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 22 2009, 12:22 PM)
i would rather sir alex bought a midfielder aggressor who knows how to make good passing and occasionally could score a few goals himself , ie; around 15 goals a season . anderson and carrick and fletcher are not in that category however much i love them and scholes and giggs just didn't have the legs anymore .i just wanna be realistic.

as for the strikeforce , i would prefer we give opportunity to youngsters like welbeck and kiko who looks promising . besides , we still have rooney and berba and  with ronaldo and tevez gone , i'm  sure these players will buck-up and score more often than last season given the goal scoring opportunity often created by man utd team.

again, it all depend on sir alex and how much more time he wants to give the team or squad or to himself for that matter as it is widely believe he will retire soon. does he have enough faith in the youngsters and the 2 or 3 oldies or he wants to get a highly reputable big name player that will cost a bomb.

as time is not on his side like the decade before , my bet is he will go for a big name player and a forward too
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Midfield aggressor who have a good passing range and would score? Other than De Rossi out there, who else is not yet at a top club? Even he would be hard to get. There's basically none out there that is available.. those kind hardly existed anymore. Either they're good at defending or attacking, and the ones that can do both roles well, doesn't do each role as well as the other specialist.

QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 22 2009, 12:51 PM)
our midfielders of the past 2 season , whenever face with team strong in that department , like chelsea in 08 UCL final , liverpool last season and Barcelona in the last match, just do not know how to coup and was completely overrun by these team that it looks embarrasing to me.

ronaldo, maybe with permission from sir alex has always been a leader up front in that 2 season , and with him gone we certainly need one badly especially in midfield . where is our midfield leader when we needed one in big game . but the sad fact is , where to find such a player . xavi , iniesta , essien, lampard and even alonso will be hard to get.

either many of the players raise their game next season or sir alex give serious thought on replacing the oldies , we may even end up looking like  ITALY national team of today

remember , last season when we won the BPL , many of the scorelines are 1-0 and we did not play well in many BPL games . ronaldo scored a few crucial goals to get us to the UCL final

it is my wish to see wayne rooney deliver more by scoring more goals  next season

it will be a great temptation even for the great man himself to win a record four straight BPL title and another UCL title to match bob paisley record in europe premier trophy. lets wait and see who sir alex sign the next couple of weeks and/or how he tweak the present squad as this could be the last push for his final round of ambition at manchester united.

and i as a great fan of sir alex, i  will surely like to see him achieve whatever remaining goals he has at man utd and no matter what , i will stick by to any of his decision
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We dominated Chelsea in the first half on that final, and this season we were on top no doubt against them. Only Liverpool one was a blip, and as for Barca, not many team would dominate them. We just got hit with a sucker punch and didn't know what to do after that. We badly miss the likes of Fletcher and Hargreaves IMO who could have brought much needed energy and running in midfield.

Last season attacking wise we didn't hit it off consistently for a number of reasons. Ronaldo finding it hard to get into form, Rooney and Berba didn't really had a consistent run of games together, Ando and Nani 2nd syndrome, Scholes and Tevez badly off form.. basically our whole attacking unit. We always had that extra gear we can use but due to the above couldn't find it. Also have to remember we played almost the same way for the last 3-4 seasons, team might have found a way to counter us.

Apart from the off form players, midfield was fine IMO for the majority of last season, with Park, Carrick and Fletcher delivered consistent performance. It's the attacking side which let us down a bit. Surely you don't believe we're a one man team. Sure Ronaldo got the goals for us, but if he wasn't so good at scoring, our team wouldn't have been set up to feed him too much. Now he's gone, we'll feed someone else.
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post Jun 23 2009, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Jun 22 2009, 10:56 PM)
I've already went through this argument with kobe few days ago and I stick with my views. We need a good attacking midfielder. We can't only rely on our strikers to do the job, the problem with our midfield is we have no one that we can always pass the ball to and hope that magic conjures. The other top 3 teams have their own midfielder that can hold the ball, pass and score. Carrick and fletcher can't be that player, they are best at their central defending duties. Anderson is our only bet but god he still hasn't scored yet and still a tad unstable in terms of reading the game and adapt to the game's speed.
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Gerrard plays behind Torres. Lampard plays in a midfield 3. We usually play 2 in the middle, and their job is different to the other teams. Each team employs different tactics and approach. We use our CMs more as a shield and go through guy. They're the ones who would receive pass and give passes to the attackers to do the damage. Why do you think Scholes hardly scores last 5 years when he was quite prolific before? His role reflect what our CMs usually do these days, hardly getting forward and always stick behind the 4 attackers. Didn't even have that many assists.. that tells you a lot. Our best passer bar none, but not that much assists on the stats record.

These two are comparable..
Alonso-7 goals, 5 assists.
Carrick-6 goals, 8 assists.

Fletcher can hold the ball, Carrick can do that too and pass although not as well as Scholes obviously, but then probably only Iniesta and Xavi are as good if not better than what Scholes does. Anderson already showed, last season especially when Scholes was out injured, that he can be depended on in CM. His form was quite good IMO last season after he recovered from injury late in the 2nd half of last season.

Ronaldo was hardly prolific before. He got a good amount of goals for a winger, but wasn't really outstanding. Then after Ruud left it just click for him. Last 2 seasons we have made good use of his ability and maximize it to its full(?) potential. Now that he's gone, I'm sure we would base it on the other players we have.

QUOTE(iJoel @ Jun 23 2009, 12:14 AM)
Carrick is good enough as a role of a holding midfielder, his passing abilities are simply magic! how can one say that we're lacking of a passer in our team?

imo the better way to strengthen our midfield is to get a DM who can run and tackle to hold up the midfield line, hargo had shown what he is capable of but were out of sight due to injuries. The best option last time we could get was Essien, i still think he is a great DM, i'd rate him near on par with keano without the leadership personality biggrin.gif

a good DM doing his job is certainly pivotal for the team, just like what Makelele did for Zidane, and Rhino with Pirlo. These pairs brought glories to the club back in their days. The DMs set the playmakers free to create chances and space for the attacking line, and i believe Carrick definitly deserves the opportunity to be set free off his main priority to protect the back four.

oh and guys, please do not criticise our midfield like rubbish after the trashing by barca. It's not that our midfield is shit but barca's amazing duo were really the best, atleast in europe now. Look how many teams can defend against these two monster, if u're just about to have chelsea in your mind, forget about it, they were not playing football.
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Tackle and run? Fletcher does that perfectly well.
Whoever we buy for the CM position, if we're looking for one that is, he must have passing ability. Without it, there's no chance whatsoever of us dominating teams. We would end up losing the ball regularly. Barca hardly had a monster of a DM playing against us, but still we found it hard to get through their midfield. It's all about positioning and keeping the ball better, along with the right tactic to nullify the opponent. We got hit early on, and that mess things up for us..
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post Jun 26 2009, 02:13 PM

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He didn't do too badly. 8 goals in 20 games is a pretty decent record. I won't mind him as backup to both Berba and Rooney. That partnership have creativity and goals all over it.. just need to give it a bit more time, cause I don't think we seen too many of it last season.

But I guess we're gonna keep poking around Benzema and see the reactions. If it's positive I bet we would be interested. I'm excited to be honest, although thinking with my head I would prefer someone with less potential/ability, like Huntelaar, so that Kiko and Welbeck would get better chances of being a regular for us.
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1st July they would announce who would get the #7 shirt. It's Darren Fletcher.


Added on June 26, 2009, 2:41 pmCantona 7
David Beckham 24 > 7
Ronaldo 7
Darren Fletcher 24 > 7


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