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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v2, Everything you need to know about bass!

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post Oct 28 2009, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 28 2009, 09:21 AM)
Wow, you're at the bottom limit of the AVR sub trim at -15dB. This is after running Audyssey right?

Suggest you turn down the volume knob on the sub and re-run Audyssey so that the trim is higher than -15dB. Then your bass will be even more 'elite'.
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The reason why I set my sub vol at 50% is that as the output of the sub is dependent on LFE input, that will not be any 'distortion' if the LFE input signal is too large as some movie do have very large LFE output. Ehhhh! Can understand what I meant kar? blush.gif

Ok it is like this.........LFE input very large so by right ur sub output will be large but it can't output that very that much as it is being restrict by the vol control ( eg at 30% ). So that is why I set my sub vol at 50% & let my avr control the LFE signal.

BTW auddsey set is being done but it can control the LFE output so that it 'balance' with the rest of my 7.2 system. Also even though it is at -15db ( two set up with diff sub vol at 40% & 50% ), the auddsey set the LFE out put differently.



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post Oct 28 2009, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 28 2009, 03:28 PM)
horny,

Don't understand what u r saying, however, when u check the speaker levels using a SPL meter are they all matched or is the sub at a higher level? If so, how much?

The reason why running Audyssey at max/min trim settings are not recommended are due to filter settings being improperly set at that range. Again, its ur setup if u like it that way, go for it.
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Actually when I read through my post I also don't understand what the poke I am writting about..........dam my english very bad! blush.gif tongue.gif

Yes all the 7 spk match in their output after auddsey setting has being done, measured my spl meter. Both sub output at same level measure with spl but the actual vol on the two sub is different due to distance & different brand. Paradigm is set at 50%, Velo SPL 1200 at 65% due to its low output & distance.

Ok one time I try to say why I set sub vol at 50%........ tongue.gif

Assuming u set the sub vol at 30%, ur avr will of cause increase ur lfe level to -10db. Now when u watch movie with lotsa of LFE at high vol ur avr will also increase it LFE output to the sub. Now due to the restriction of the sub at 30% level it can only produce its LFE to 30% only. So while ur other spk will be at very high output ur sub output can only be at 30% level ( due to the vol being set at 30% ) also in this case distortion might set in at the sub woofer due to high input LFE since u r now listening ur avr at high vol.

Due to this reasoning I set my sub at 50% level ( any higher the avr will warn u that sub vol is too high ) & so far I have not detect any bass distortion.

Hopefully can understand now hoh? blush.gif


Added on October 28, 2009, 4:40 pm
QUOTE(asherteoh @ Oct 28 2009, 04:13 PM)
does the amp volume affects measurements when audessey is being done? if yes, what's the ideal db that should be set when doing audessey tuning?
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Vol setting is not being affected. In fact when u poke in the auddsey mic to do auddsey setting the vol has no effect. All this setting is in auto mode, u only need to do mice placement & some adjustment in the set up after u do the auddsey set up.

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post Oct 28 2009, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(nadky @ Oct 28 2009, 04:15 PM)
To all Elites,

I am setting up my system by using SPL meter. After running the manual setup and adjusting the level trim on the amp side, my front(L&R), centre, rear and sub are now at the respective level, -2.5, -1.5, -1.5, +3.0. All these level are set at 75-78db. I am wondering whether they looks ok?

I had someone to set up my system using SPL meter before I change my front speakers and the level trim on the amp side was front (L&R)~+10.5, centre~+4.5, rear~+8, sub ~+5....these level were set at ~80db.

It seems to me that, the different is huge! So approximately what did you guys get for the level trimming on the amp side?

Thank you.
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So far I have not done manual setting ( too lazy to measure the spk distance blush.gif ) but base on auddsey set up the spk measurement is very accurate. I only use the spl meter to do some very minor adjustment in the sur spk. smile.gif


Added on October 28, 2009, 4:50 pm
QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 28 2009, 04:41 PM)
Ummm.... I think I understand what you're trying to say.  tongue.gif

Well, Audyssey will compensate for your sub volume. If you set your sub volume very high, then Audyssey sub trim will be set very low (-15 dB is lowest). Conversely, if sub volume very low then Audyssey will boost the sub trim (up to +12 dB max I think). So really it doesn't matter what is your sub volume as long as you don't reach the limits of Audyssey because then you go beyond the ability of Audyssey to compensate.

What you said: "Ok it is like this.........LFE input very large so by right ur sub output will be large but it can't output that very that much as it is being restrict by the vol control ( eg at 30% )" I don't think is correct. The sub vol control is a gain control, i.e. it multiplies the input signal from the AVR. So if you set at 30%, Audyssey will boost the signal (to compensate) so 30% x boosted signal = 50% x lower signal. Like I said earlier Audyssey will compensate so that some balance is achieved.
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Ah! Finally someone do understand what I am writing about! biggrin.gif

U r correct that is what I meant..........Now all this time I assume our sub vol or better know as gain control also act as sort of a master vol control. Correct? hmm.gif

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post Oct 28 2009, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 28 2009, 05:02 PM)
Correct. It's not a master vol control in the sense of showing the absolute output. Namely, 30% doesn't mean you can only get 30% of the output. It's a gain or multiplier control, so in the end 30% x 10 = 50% x 6. The second part in that equation is the LFE output signal from AVR (which Audyssey will adjust according to your sub volume).
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Tq very muck! Now I understand what is a 'gain control'. notworthy.gif
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post Oct 28 2009, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 28 2009, 05:15 PM)
Eh Horny, just noticed you have the Velo SPL 1200. New addition ah?
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Not mine at the moment.........still under 'review'. tongue.gif

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