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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v2, Everything you need to know about bass!

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anfieldude
post Oct 7 2009, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Oct 7 2009, 02:27 PM)
Great article on where to place your sub-woofer:-
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Great find mpyw!

The only problem is in most cases people are not that flexible with moving the subwoofer!
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post Oct 7 2009, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 7 2009, 02:42 PM)
I am using Fig2 placement.........except the front left sub is about 1' from wall, right back sub is about 1' on each side in a corner. Measuring output from both sub need spl meter so that sub vol output is about the same due to using different sub & sitting position.  smile.gif
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Alternately u could use AS-EQ1 and it would do it for u....
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 11:08 AM)
Dont need subdude, buy the AS EQ 1 la, one off solution. Dont need bass trap and whatever.

HTkaki came over my pad yday and help me calibrate my set with the inclusion of my new baby, the AS EQ 1..

Previously i was very sceptical that such product can work magic on the bass as i experienced very loose, muddy and boomy bass.. After setting up the As EQ 1, listening to bass was a different thing.. Tight, solid and clean bass..

As what both Ron and Htkaki say, after flicking the switch on and off a few times, i'm pretty sure my AS EQ 1's switch will be left 'on' AFAIK... Downside is, i'm still trying to adapt to certain scenes where the bass suddenly doesnt have the loud effect anymore (visible in transformers scene, the first scene "helicopter scene" and the airport "explosion scene")... Not boomy, and clean bass but stg's missing and that will be because of the near flat graph i assume..

Another thing to notice is that, after calibrating my set using the SPL meter, all my speakers (LCR, Surr & sub) trim were set to -9db sad.gif... Even setting to -12db trim on my AVR but still couldnt achieeve the 75db reference level on the SPL meter.. Probably HTkaki can shed some light on this and the solution..

But nevertheless, i think this AS EQ-1 has solved most of my bass problems biggrin.gif
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Good for you. I hope to be able to hear the difference of a EQ1 as well and see the difference in the waterfall charts.
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 12 2009, 11:50 AM)
That's most ppl will find it to be somewhat less oomph as there isn't any peak or 'artificial' bass anymore.

However, still need to get down to the dB issue. I suspect it could be due to the limited room size for the monstrous setup. Even trim to the lowest, still reading a crazy >80dB. Another headache is the 'ext in' on 876 unlike the easiness in Yamaha, Marantz and Denon.

Nvm, I'll seek help from HQ and we shall see to it soon  wink.gif I bet it should sounds much better when we get it done properly wink.gif
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htkaki,

What is the 'ext in'?

The 876 mics are pretty accurate when setting trims, did u double check with the SPL meter? Shd not have needed much adjustment...
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post Oct 12 2009, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(mys_terious @ Oct 12 2009, 12:02 PM)
the 876 mic can be used with 875 receiver or not?
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No. The cal curves used internally by Audyssey are different.
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post Oct 12 2009, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 02:21 PM)
I dont know, really. Initially i thought it was normal since the Dali had 2 tweeters in it...

Until bro htkaki came yday and told me its not normal... Anyone using Dali Ikon On Wall could perhaps share their experience?
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I use the Dali Ikon On wall and do not have this problem
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post Oct 12 2009, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 03:00 PM)
Lol.. My neighbours would think that tsunami has hit PJ


Added on October 12, 2009, 3:01 pm

Thats damn weird.. So i guess this means my driver is faulty?
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Something is wrong, there shd be clear gushing sound when u play the internal test tones from the AVR. There shd be no flapping...Take it to the shop and ask them to test using pink noise there.
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post Oct 12 2009, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 12 2009, 03:14 PM)
Pink noise, not a problem. When you run audyssey setup , the sound occurs. It still have the 'booob booob .... booobb..' with an addition of that.
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Again, weird. Audyssey setup was also no problem, just the normal Audssey sweep tone.

I think u need to ask CT Seong to check it out, with these additional sounds, the Audyssey accuracy is suspect for the surrounds.
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post Oct 20 2009, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 20 2009, 06:21 PM)
I knew you gonna get these... anyway head to AVS to get the weighting adjustments for RS SPL.. low frequency need to adjust the weighting..


Added on October 20, 2009, 6:22 pm
look at all his cheese?!  biggrin.gif
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Or u can use this.
Hz Trim
10.0 -22.09
11.2 -19.25
12.5 -16.83
14.0 -14.69
16.0 -12.66
18.0 -10.61
20.0 -9.05
22.4 -7.64
25.0 -6.49
28.0 -5.33
31.5 -4.41
35.5 -3.61
40.0 -2.99
45.0 -2.41
50.0 -1.97
56.0 -1.64
63.0 -1.34
71.0 -1.14
80.0 -0.96
90.0 -0.86
100.0 -0.80
112.0 -0.82
125.0 -0.82
140.0 -0.88
160.0 -0.93
180.0 -0.95
200.0 -0.99
224.0 -0.94
250.0 -0.97
280.0 -1.00
315.0 -1.04
355.0 -1.04
400.0 -0.95
450.0 -0.92
500.0 -1.03
560.0 -0.95
630.0 -0.96
710.0 -0.79
800.0 -0.44
900.0 -0.17
1000.0 0.00

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post Oct 28 2009, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 28 2009, 09:39 AM)
The reason why I set my sub vol at 50% is that as the output of the sub is dependent on LFE input, that will not be any 'distortion' if the LFE input signal is too large as some movie do have very large LFE output. Ehhhh! Can understand what I meant kar? blush.gif

Ok it is like this.........LFE input very large so by right ur sub output will be large but it can't output that very that much as it is being restrict by the vol control ( eg at 30% ). So that is why I set my sub vol at 50% & let my avr control the LFE signal.

BTW auddsey set is being done but it can control the LFE output so that it 'balance' with the rest of my 7.2 system. Also even though it is at -15db ( two set up with diff sub vol at 40% & 50% ), the auddsey set the LFE out put differently.
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horny,

Don't understand what u r saying, however, when u check the speaker levels using a SPL meter are they all matched or is the sub at a higher level? If so, how much?

The reason why running Audyssey at max/min trim settings are not recommended are due to filter settings being improperly set at that range. Again, its ur setup if u like it that way, go for it.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 28 2009, 04:41 PM)
Ummm.... I think I understand what you're trying to say.  tongue.gif

Well, Audyssey will compensate for your sub volume. If you set your sub volume very high, then Audyssey sub trim will be set very low (-15 dB is lowest). Conversely, if sub volume very low then Audyssey will boost the sub trim (up to +12 dB max I think). So really it doesn't matter what is your sub volume as long as you don't reach the limits of Audyssey because then you go beyond the ability of Audyssey to compensate.

What you said: "Ok it is like this.........LFE input very large so by right ur sub output will be large but it can't output that very that much as it is being restrict by the vol control ( eg at 30% )" I don't think is correct. The sub vol control is a gain control, i.e. it multiplies the input signal from the AVR. So if you set at 30%, Audyssey will boost the signal (to compensate) so 30% x boosted signal = 50% x lower signal. Like I said earlier Audyssey will compensate so that some balance is achieved.
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The reason why u shd not allow Audyssey to max/min out the trims is that you do not know how far from the max the trims actually are. Audyssey will not make adjustments above or below its max/min trim.

ie, if ref level is supposed to be 75dB and now u have set ur sub to 50% vol, and what Audyssey is reading is say 90dB, then Audyssey will only adjust to the max of -12dB since Audyssey tries to level match ur speakers. What that will do is is imbalance the sub level. Another problem that it will cause is that at higher volumes the filters will be also different as the room interacts slightly differently.

So whenever, possible it is better to make sure that Audyssey never sets the trims on any speakers to max/min trims. This way, u know that it is in the middle of the region of the Audyssey correction.

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