why cabut? LOL...

To set record straight, I had never claimed it is the best . The top ought to be ED A7-900 and followed by Epik Conquest. I think Seaton Submersive should be a close second. In local scene, it could be Paradigm Sub25. I used to have high regards for Paradigm esp the Servo 15.

As you have space constraint, the F113 is the sub to look for, which I did mention earlier . Btw, I thought you are die-hard DD-12 fan ( http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1120113/+180 ) since you had only audition it Bro, do let me know when you had purchased the F113. May I bring the 13-Ultra for a side-by-side comparison if you allow? Just want to know how far the Ultra is losing out since F113 won many awards. And if got B&W PV1, much better. The Sub of The Year winner and most importantly, it has won WHF Award for best high end sub for SIX years since 2004 (since awards matter to you)

Eleak Logit, i find try Sub25 FR graph. Unfortunately, luck no such for it. Maybe yet tested to be.

Yesterday, I had a special guest at my home to test out the PB13-Ultra. Finally, he is able to audition it with a much better 'controlled' environment althought the room is not an impressive one compared to his

Finally, he is able to experience a ported beast since he had auditioned the sealed monster in PG.

Bro, when you wanna come over?

Btw, shall we meet at old place at abt 12.40pm tmw? Anyway, will sms you 20mins b4 i go there.

Kind of best of both world, eh?

Yet to have time to got PG to test out your Submersive Probably after CNY.

I knew a fellow forummer who has almost close to 4 subs I bet the bass in his room is 'beautiful' since it will have very even response.

I knew you are reading this and once it is completed, I will surely pay you a visit.

Bro Logit,

Like mentioned jchong by, tight and defined bass well for music has be to sealed sub. Submersive power got and got bass quality too.

Since you are in Penang, you maybe can permission seek from owner Submersive. Then listering you can judge.

PB13-Ultra sub monster movie for. Paradigm Sub25 new a very. Probably time need to FR Graph do. But, gas I this sub is very good eps music for listering.

Listering I to other sealed subs. PB13-Ultra suitable not for music. While still quite good music in for PB-Ultra, sealed sub still has edge little more music in; tighter bass and pace.

You listering first at youtube for Sub25.

aiseh.... how could remove they youtube from? Like that how compare to 13-Ultra lah.

Ronnt, your days of waiting for the audition of PB13-Ultra might be over soon. More on that later.

Probably he want to listering to ported sub's charecteristic compares to sealed sub.

Not likely. Higher chance that ronald will be the one who will try it out. I can always loan the AS-EQ1 for him to test out when he has both

Yes, I do agree. Unless, he use the 'sealed sub' mode of PB-Ultra to minimise the differing characteristic of a ported sub. Then again, we still need ronaldjoe to take the lead.

Bro logit,

Why potted sub? Music use must sealed sub to give definition better and bass tight with precise pace.

I can say that PB13-Ultra cannit match performance Submersive for music. Logitech Z5500 got potted and woofer as big as tennis ball so bass not good.

Hehe.... if you ask me, for sure it would be the F113 and not DD12 for a compact sub.

easy.... just buy a port and into drill it. Make sure drill no driver. Pot or not pot, Sub25 very powderful.

Taukeh ar, still waiting for you to drop by .

Haha..... I have nothing to say on that if you are a die-hard Velo fan .

Probably, you think that I am those guy who only base on graphs and typically awards to judge a sub . I have not listen to F113 pitted against DD-12 . But, F113 stills has an upper edge on tautness and better control at lower HZ range. It is also cleaner too.

Just bring the Terminator Salvation BD to both shops. Ask them to get it tune to 75dB on SPL Meter to match the front speaker (They tend to run it hot). Test it out the 7-11 scene (Chapter 9?) and the scene where they escape. And also other BDs that you are familiar with. Oh yes, before I forgot. Both rooms are different. There will be a certain degree of variance. Test it out at -16 to -12dB off the ref level. You tell me the result

Frankly speaking, if you are going for a RM13K sub, please do make abt similar allocation for the speakers or more. It deserves a better spkr sys to match it. Please get higher midrange avr too. Probably LX-82, 4310, or similar category or higher.

To add more here would be seemingly bias for some ppl due to my position . There is a guy who did audition quite a number of subs. Nadky did audition the F113, REL, and so forth. I am not sure whether he has auditioned the Velo before. He might be in a better position to comment than me as some people tend to 'shut their minds' on my comments that do not please them or seemingly not what they intend to read

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Boss, ain't easy task lah . Some ppl might get offended when you are too frank with the comment . Better do it the diplomatic way or if they are happy with it, then better shut my mouth. LOL....

With the rapidly increasing auditions that I had, I have the chance to listen to a lot more setups . The findings; Interesting, fascinating, mind-boggling, downright insane, etc. It's a mad mad world of HT.

Now, I want to audition the Submersive as this is the new benchmark (apart from Sub 25) . Hopefully can do so in Feb as Jan is a busy month. I am very confident that it could be the best of the crop (no E..D. please). Probably will go and audition the Sub25 on one of this weekdays, which I think should be an outstanding sub. Just wanted to know how far it outperform the F113.

What you are looking for is a compact subwoofer, which I am sorry that I do not have one to suit your preference.

I am not a pro, for the record . Still learning as others do.

Once you had it all setup, would you allow me to audition it? I will bring the 13-Ultra along. You must be a reg cust at A&L.

I had auditioned the PSB Synchrony 1 recently. Will go there again once it is being fine tuned.

benben79, try to call them before you go : 03 7955 1228

ronald, I paid a visit to Unc Ng on last weekend. Will go there again once everything is ready. I will prepare 'poison' for him. LOL....

Krell is nothing lah to a lot of elites here We are peasants trying hard to be elites

Seriously, if I have a lot of moolah, I would definitely want to try out SF for movie setup. Palladium would the next step up given money no object. All to be driven by 2 channels power amps.

Back to reality. That's aint going to happen in near future, even in a further distant future

You need to buy it online direct from Hsu.