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 Stock Market VERSION 27, Feng Shui? Sentiment? Goreng?

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cherroy
post May 21 2009, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(MoonRider @ May 21 2009, 04:05 PM)
See how , but i got confidence casino in singapore will be more profitable than those in Malaysia .. espcally they have a great theme park (universal studio) .. good attraction .. singapore got high number of chinese tourist ..
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I shared your view, just previous Genting overseas venture didn't yield much fruit while actually become a burden for the group from previous Star-Cruise, to UK casinos.


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post May 21 2009, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(MoonRider @ May 21 2009, 04:28 PM)
Need advice .. hold or sell ..

Europe all red drop 1% adi ..

Expect US to come down after the fed news on deepingin recession ..
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Correction on US market is long long overdue, mainly due to too much money.
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post May 21 2009, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(georgechang79 @ May 21 2009, 04:27 PM)
Cherroy,

How to invest? Anyway to make money i also interest  brows.gif
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Just park or convert some money into AUD FD only mah. Boring strategy.

or

DCI which you can bet AUD (or anyone currency) won't be going down below you strike price then earn some 6-30% interest rate pa. on your RM, which can range from 1 week to 1 month period you can choose from.
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post May 22 2009, 10:24 AM

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I do see some interested party want to window dress the KLCI.

As overall market volume is low, they can drive up the market quickly with just couple of continuos buying (not need to many lot either) which is easy for them.
But whether other follow and market is sustainable or not, different story, as you can't drive up the share price alone over long period of time.
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post May 22 2009, 11:20 AM

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Goreng activities seems have died down a bit, as volume is shrinking fast each day, only CI component stocks are doing the show.

So goreng CI component stocks! laugh.gif Joking nia.

I wonder the reason come from the new 30 index components prompt index fund managers re-allocating more heavy on the 30 stocks so drive up them? hmm.gif
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post May 22 2009, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(chyaw @ May 22 2009, 11:33 AM)
I'm hoping that the new index consist of PBBank, Genting and Resort.
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I feel not right they included both Genting and Resorts are in the index calculation, it just means double calculation/effect from Genting Highland's business.
As we know Genting is the major shareholder of Resorts so Resorts' revenue and earning is booked in Genting, so Genting Highland's business has double effect on the index.

Previously Resorts is not included in the 100 KLCI components as it is more fair and represent across various important business in Malaysia to avoid double calculation.
Index main purpose is to reflect more accurate the local economy and local bourse. But somehow, now they seems are more interested to set the index to higher value, my view only, as you see FBM30 index start with 6K+, why not set at 1000, or 100 easy to view? 6000+ higher give more confidence?

If our market is full of non-performing and junk goreng counters, then whatever index value also make no difference. What we want is quality listing company and sincere company governance to take care of shareholders benefit.

Just my 2 cents.
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post May 22 2009, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(mmusang @ May 22 2009, 02:38 PM)
bear runs amok maybe bc of british debt concern?
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Soon it could be US to lose AAA rating, with its enormous debt.

Next problem could come from USD, as if market stablised back to normal, it should sink due to demand and supply theory, by then we have problem again, especially on inflation front as peope will rush for commodities if USD sink, by then any effort of recover and stimulus will be killed due to inflation. Oil cannot rise too soon before any solid recovery is taking place, otherwise, back to square one.

If this issue happens on other ordinary country, rating already long being downgraded.
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post May 22 2009, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 22 2009, 03:44 PM)
Nothing to do so play play around.  laugh.gif

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Don't play play, if someone nasty want to play around with you, bite/buy you 1 lot nia, min commission kill you. icon_idea.gif
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post May 22 2009, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(chyaw @ May 22 2009, 04:37 PM)
Hi all,
Some news on BDI. Also affecting steel sector.

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BDI is a good gauge whether the economy is indeed recovering or not eventually affecting stock market whether got room for more upside and in sustainable way.
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post May 22 2009, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(chyaw @ May 22 2009, 04:54 PM)
True. BDI is a very good indicator. I check BDI at least twice a week to get an overall feel on the "real market". Anyway, lately China is making BDI up and down due to stocking...

Added on May 22, 2009, 4:57 pmWhy suddently LYN so quite... All fed up with Perak case???


Added on May 22, 2009, 4:58 pmSTI also not too bad today...
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As posted before, stocking is not a real recovery but consumption is.

Goreng activities died down, so lyn page also go slower lor. whistling.gif biggrin.gif
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post May 24 2009, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ May 23 2009, 11:54 PM)
If this Bhd is not publicly traded, then why not change its name to Sdn Bhd?
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Different between Bhd and Sdn Bhd is as same as private limited and limited.

Sdn Bhd, privately owned
Bhd, got public shareholders.

Although it has relationship with listing, as if you are listed, you are surely a Bhd, but bhd doesn't mean it is listing in KLSE, can be listed elsewhere as well
or some previous listed company but eventually being delisted due to xyz reason, it is still a Bhd.

It just means shareholders' structure.
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post May 24 2009, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ May 24 2009, 04:05 PM)
I'm asking this question because funds like Berkshire / Icapital don't pay out dividends, whereas SP500 and KLCI pay dividends. If the SP500 and KLCI closes lower after the ex-date, then Berkshire / Icap cannot compare their share price performance against SP500 / KLCI. Surely if Berhshire/ Icap keeping all the dividends will result in their own share prices become higher.
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The fundamental answer is how KLSE is going to compute the index, in normal day if it is a 10 or 20 cents ex, it will take out CI index a bit, but if it involved more like last time 50 cents on Maybank, they adjusted the price to index according aka the ex-50 cents from Maybank didn't cause CI to lose a few points, this is what KLSE has said last time out.

It is normal for index to lower due to ex-price.

To add a point, Yellow, red, green doesn't dictate the KLCI, as KLCI is computed based on the all the 100 stocks price vs its based point of 100 when it set up during 70's time, aka it shows how much it had risen from 100.


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post May 24 2009, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ May 24 2009, 05:15 PM)
If what you're saying is true, and the ex-div will cause the KLCI to drop, then Berkshire/ Icap measuring the growth of SP500/KLCI versus its own shares is not comparing like with like.
If the S&P500 grew over 20 years at average 10% per annum, and Berkshire grow 11% average per annum for 20 years, this doesn't mean Berkshire is performing better because the S&P500 gave out dividends whereas Bershire didn't. I know that Berkshire outperform S&P500 by more than 1%, but what I'm trying to point out is,.... it is not fair for these funds to compare with the S&P500 and KLCI because definitely they will outperform if comparing the growth of the share price because these funds retain ALL the dividends.
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Yes, you must ensure how the computation being taken place, before compared it head to head, only fair.

Having said that, component stocks also being changed from time to time as well. So there are lot of variable to be sort out before can have a real or actual head to head comparison.


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post May 25 2009, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ May 25 2009, 09:56 AM)
Subject : GREEN PACKET BERHAD (“GPB” OR “THE COMPANY”)

- PROPOSED RENOUNCEABLE RIGHTS ISSUE OF UP TO 208,320,775 NEW ORDINARY SHARES OF RM0.20 EACH IN GPB (“RIGHTS SHARES”) TOGETHER WITH UP TO 208,320,775 FREE DETACHABLE NEW WARRANTS (“WARRANTS”) ON THE BASIS OF ONE (1) RIGHTS SHARE WITH ONE (1) WARRANT FOR EVERY TWO (2) EXISTING ORDINARY SHARES OF RM0.20 EACH IN GPB HELD ON AN ENTITLEMENT DATE TO BE DETERMINED LATER (“PROPOSED RIGHTS ISSUE”)
Can anyone explain how this works and any comments on this company? Is this company worth going in for the long term?
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Company wants to issue more shares and seek money from existing shareholders.

They will let you buy 1 right issue share (with free warrant given) on every 2 share you owned.

QUOTE(jgchoo @ May 25 2009, 09:57 AM)
u can't eat abalon everyday right?
everyday high gain = high risks...
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Everyday take abalone, surely heart attack due to high cholestrol. tongue.gif
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post May 25 2009, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 25 2009, 11:02 AM)
look at Genting, 5.50 jor biggrin.gif
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Genting is running wild lately, one of the major contributor of KLCI rise.

Regional market is quite red, but KLCI is greenish, somehow KLCI movement is hard to predict lately.
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post May 25 2009, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 25 2009, 02:10 PM)
yes, dow future is green, +32.00
Tonight US tak ada open.

So DJ futures irrelevant for today. tongue.gif
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post May 25 2009, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 25 2009, 02:59 PM)
on the other side, i noticed IOI price has been stagnant at 4.7x-4.8x for quite somewhile. anyone interested in IOIcorp?
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You also noticed hu? biggrin.gif
Me also.

But FCPO is not moving and market talk about potential lower price of CPO in near future after raining season has ended so plantation stocks generally are stagnant across.


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post May 25 2009, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 25 2009, 03:16 PM)
tonite taikor (dow jones) is out of the town, everyone is party-ing laugh.gif
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Some sort like mum and dad not in the house, kids running/playing wild. laugh.gif

But if market goes up too soon and too fast like current KLCI trend, we may soon run out upside room as you can't get too far away from the basic economy fundamental, ie. we had not yet started to see real recovery in real economy. Everything take times.

Don't over complacent.




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post May 25 2009, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ May 25 2009, 03:28 PM)
I'm looking at TGOFF - WA... but price very expensive liow.. i will start buying again when KLCI goes back down to 1000 point!!!

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Now it is your harvesting season, not planting season already. cool.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 25 2009, 04:08 PM)
eh nobody talk about TA-WB anymore ka

$25 per pc. murah murah jual! brows.gif
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Already nak jadi busuk, still mau ka?

Some sort like supermarket before close shop, reduced to clear. biggrin.gif

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