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 Tarantula Thread V11, Either you love em or hate em

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post May 29 2009, 04:41 PM

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what slings are they?
got pics?
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post May 29 2009, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(brokenglass @ May 29 2009, 04:37 PM)
is the any possibilities T's died bcoz of food poisoning?...this week 3 of my small Ts died, i just give them mealworms that i buy early last month and i never feed the mealworms with bread or anything
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its vaguely possible, but still a very low chance of it.

pesticides maybe? cos i remember even if you gutload feeders, chances of your pets absorbing nutrients from it is 1% or 0.1%. so i guess it won't be of much effect anyway.

sorry for the loss anyway...
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post May 29 2009, 06:31 PM

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post May 29 2009, 07:05 PM

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i tot it has something to do with food poisoning...


Added on May 29, 2009, 7:15 pm
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I believe what used to be Lampropelma violaceopes/ "Singapore violet"/ Haplopelma sp. "Robustum" is now known as Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Malaysia".


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I don't understand

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post May 29 2009, 08:01 PM

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many expert about Ts..huhuhu~
newbie like me really take time to understand all of the above.. doh.gif rclxub.gif shocking.gif
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post May 29 2009, 08:24 PM

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Eastwing:

First of all you should know that there are a lot of name being used by one tarantula alone.

1- scientific name
2- common name / traders name


the one in italic is the scientific name,
but not so much of a scientific name because it keeps on changing with time as new species are being discovered everyday,

for me to keep things easy, the language you don't understand is scientific.

Lampropelma Violaceopes, note that viola literally means violet.
and the one in English is Singaporean Blue is the common name.

However I don't know the status about of Cyriopagopus Sp Blue, nor Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Malaysia".

I should do my reading soon but I'm short of time sweat.gif

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I believe what used to be Lampropelma violaceopes/ "Singapore violet"/ Haplopelma sp. "Robustum" is now known as Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Malaysia".
If this means all the species mentioned are being claused as one particular species, then it may clarified almost all debate about this species however ruining the progressive elements in terms of taxonomy and literature.

LOLL


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* Domain: Eukaryota () - Whittaker & Margulis,1978 - eukaryotes
          o Kingdom: Animalia () - Linnaeus, 1758 - animals
                + Subkingdom: Bilateria () - (Hatschek, 1888) Cavalier-Smith, 1983
                      # Branch: Protostomia () - Grobben, 1908
                            * Infrakingdom: Ecdysozoa () - Aguinaldo Et Al., 1997 Ex Cavalier-Smith, 1998
                                  o Superphylum: Panarthropoda () - Cuvier
                                        + Phylum: Arthropoda () - Latreille, 1829 - Arthropods
                                              # Subphylum: Arachnomorpha () - Heider, 1913
                                                    * Infraphylum: Cheliceriformes ()
                                                          o Superclass: Chelicerata ()
                                                                + Epiclass: Euchelicerata ()
                                                                      # Class: Arachnida () - Cuvier, 1812 - Arachnids
                                                                            * Subclass: Micrura ()
                                                                                  o Order: Araneae () - Clerck, 1757 - Spiders
                                                                                        + Suborder: Opisthothelae ()
                                                                                              # Infraorder: Mygalomorphae ()
                                                                                                    * Superfamily: Avicularoidea ()
                                                                                                          o Family: Theraphosidae () - Thorell, 1869
                                                                                                                + Genus: Lampropelma ()
                                                                                                                      # Specific name:violaceopes
                                                                                                                            * Scientific name: -Lampropelma violaceopes


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But still....i need a lot lot lot lot of readings... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(the_mask86 @ May 29 2009, 05:43 PM)
its vaguely possible, but still a very low chance of it.

pesticides maybe? cos i remember even if you gutload feeders, chances of your pets absorbing nutrients from it is 1% or 0.1%. so i guess it won't be of much effect anyway.

sorry for the loss anyway...
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those who died are OBT, salmon pink and L. Vio...all of them less than 2cm L/S.....on the night i feed them, they look healthy and active..the next day after i'm return from work, small ants gather around my T carcass... so frustrated...
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QUOTE(aros @ May 29 2009, 04:05 AM)
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There are two T's. Their common names are "Singapore Blue" and "Singapore Violet" . "Singapore Blue" has been called Cyriopagopus sp. "Singapore Blue" and Lampropelma violaceopes and is still being referred to by both names and still being sold under both names. The other T, "Singapore violet", is a different T but it was also being sold by some vendors as Lampropelma violaceopes. "Singapore violet" is the T that some people suspect was Haplopelma sp. "Robustum". If I am not mistaken, "Singapore Blue" is now officially Lampropelma violaceopes. Since no one really knows what H. robustum really is (forgot what the reason was- either the original description was vague and/or the type material is missing or the type material is badly decomposed), it is more appropriately referred to by its working name- Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Malaysia". There will always be a period of confusion as people in general take time to accept the new names. So in short:
Singapore Blue = Lampropelma violaceopes
Singapore violet = Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Malaysia"



Here's more confusion for you- Rosies are now G. porteri, Chaco's are G. pulchripes, and the RCF rosie is now G. rosea according to one vendors site.


Added on May 29, 2009, 11:24 pm
QUOTE(brokenglass @ May 29 2009, 07:02 AM)
those who died are OBT, salmon pink and L. Vio...all of them less than 2cm L/S.....on the night i feed them, they look healthy and active..the next day after i'm return from work, small ants gather around my T carcass... so frustrated...
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Could it be that your T's were killed by the ants?

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post May 30 2009, 12:00 AM

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i think the ants are attracted by the mealworm, then attack u T.. coz the ants kill all 3 T's at the same time..

so, its not bcoz of food posioning, its bcoz of ants..
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QUOTE(geo @ May 29 2009, 04:12 PM)
waoo~~
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and some are brown too
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if u are referring to the l. violaceopes, then all mature males are brown in colour


Added on May 30, 2009, 12:45 am
QUOTE(aros @ May 29 2009, 08:24 PM)
Eastwing:

First of all you should know that there are a lot of name being used by one tarantula alone.

1- scientific name
2- common name / traders name
the one in italic is the scientific name,
but not so much of a scientific name because it keeps on changing with time as new species are being discovered everyday,

for me to keep things easy, the language you don't understand is scientific.

Lampropelma Violaceopes, note that viola literally means violet.
and the one in English is Singaporean Blue is the common name.

However I don't know the status about of Cyriopagopus Sp Blue, nor Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Malaysia".

I should do my reading soon but I'm short of time  sweat.gif
If this means all the species mentioned are being claused as one particular species, then it may clarified almost all debate about this species however ruining the progressive elements in terms of taxonomy and literature.

LOLL


Added on May 29, 2009, 8:27 pm
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i don think they are being claused as 1 species, the now named Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Malaysia" used to be know as the Lampropelma violaceopes, then studies showed that the cyriopagopus sp. blue is the lampropelma violaceopes, therefore they re-identify it, and then the ex lampropelma was then re-identified to to be the heplopelma robustom, but unfortunately the name did not stay long as further research showed that it was the Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Malaysia"

dang all this is making my eyes spin rclxub.gif


Added on May 30, 2009, 12:51 am
QUOTE(the_mask86 @ May 29 2009, 05:43 PM)
its vaguely possible, but still a very low chance of it.

pesticides maybe? cos i remember even if you gutload feeders, chances of your pets absorbing nutrients from it is 1% or 0.1%. so i guess it won't be of much effect anyway.

sorry for the loss anyway...
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talking about pesticides my Ts have just recently suffered with pesticides, last week there was fogging in my area for 4 days straight, i did all that i could do to prevent my Ts from being exposed to it, what i did was i put my Ts in my room, closed all the windows, closed the door, and stuffed cloth all around the door, 2 days ago 1 of my obt sling died and at the same time i found 1 of my c.andersoni suffering with dyskinetic syndrome, it is now in a icu i made which i learned from the net. i dont think it will make it through as it is getting weaker and weaker

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QUOTE(littlesaint @ May 29 2009, 09:39 AM)
talking about pesticides my Ts have just recently suffered with pesticides, last week there was fogging in my area for 4 days straight, i did all that i could do to prevent my Ts from being exposed to it, what i did was i put my Ts in my room, closed all the windows, closed the door, and stuffed cloth all around the door, 2 days ago 1 of my obt sling died and at the same time i found 1 of my c.andersoni suffering with dyskinetic syndrome, it is now in a icu i made which i learned from the net. i dont think it will make it through as it is getting weaker and weaker
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Sorry to hear about your loss. It sucks that all that fogging is being carried out and there's no way to stop it. Best you can do is take added precautions next time like placing your T's in large boxes and taping it up with sufficient air to last a few days. It is good that you are sharing this bit of info so others can benefit from it.
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fogging 4 days straight??? gile...
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QUOTE(Oldfart @ May 30 2009, 01:12 AM)
Sorry to hear about your loss.  It sucks that all that fogging is being carried out and there's no way to stop it.  Best you can do is take added precautions next time like placing your T's in large boxes and taping it up with sufficient air to last a few days.  It is good that you are sharing this bit of info so others can benefit from it.
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oo thx for the tip mr.stew, will do it next time

QUOTE(Izzulogy @ May 30 2009, 01:21 AM)
fogging 4 days straight??? gile...
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ya and the weird thing is the 1st day they start fogging was about 9.30 at night
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post May 30 2009, 02:52 AM

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i thk your Ts were killed by ants
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post May 30 2009, 04:48 AM

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supposedly the slings were killed by ants, nothing to do with the mealworm.

most likely is u left it for too long a period of time, and it attracted ants...
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QUOTE(Izzulogy @ May 30 2009, 12:00 AM)
i think the ants are attracted by the mealworm, then attack u T.. coz the ants kill all 3 T's at the same time..

so, its not bcoz of food posioning, its bcoz of ants..
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Actually all my Ts not died at the same time but one in a day...but the conclusion is still the same....Ts died n ants gather inside the container...
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QUOTE(brokenglass @ May 29 2009, 05:04 PM)
Actually all my Ts not died at the same time but one in a day...but the conclusion is still the same....Ts died n ants gather inside the container...
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Ants are bad news. You need to do something about them before they start going after your live T's.
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QUOTE(brokenglass @ May 30 2009, 08:04 AM)
Actually all my Ts not died at the same time but one in a day...but the conclusion is still the same....Ts died n ants gather inside the container...
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I'm also face the same problem..but then i got an idea to put the container on a flat piring dat fill with some water,so the ants cannot across to go inside the container. sweat.gif
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post May 30 2009, 05:56 PM

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so this is what species?
last time sell as lampropelma violaceopes,

after molt it is blue, then later at a time it turns violet.

lalalaa...

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