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QUOTE(tiongkeat @ Jun 5 2012, 11:36 PM) luckily never considered on villamas product. too expensive already properties these days... really getting out of hand... later more like hong kon style... one property and pay by 3 generation... just to service the loans...even zefer hill definately a mess after their construction finish in 2015.  Added on June 6, 2012, 12:15 am QUOTE(yunashiwa @ May 25 2012, 10:53 AM) Hi Falangkei. I've read your comments on the defects in your atmosfera unit. I've got the same issue if not more! Hi! Guy and Girls....Gotta say that I'm quite disappointed with the finishing touches. My unit didn't even have the main door installed yet!! I don't understand how they can get clearance from government to release the unit to us buyers. The unit is in a total mess right now. They gave me the whole bunch of keys to my unit. But I need to use NONE of them to go inside my unit as there is no door! The reason they give me is because Bomba request that they change the door to fire rated door for corner units cause the units are located further away from the lifts. Ok. But why cant they do it before giving us the permission to get the keys? I've paid everything in full in order to get the keys! But unfortunely I can't start installing lights or fans and air cons because there's no door to my unit. Who's gonna be responsible if things are stolen from my unit? I've had lots of a issues with the finishing touches. When I said lots I mean LOTS!! I've counted to at least 200+ wall defects, ie. holes, cracks, unpaint, rough surface, etc. they took me a whole day to mark them all! There are a lot of unfilled gaps in between tiles. Especially on the edges, ie. the link from wall to floor. Some of the window railings are rotted. There are huge gaps on closed room doors, big enough for an iguana to squeeze through, (exaggerate a bit la). And the whole unit is super dirty. Windows are covered in splashed paints, paints all over the tiles, dripping down from the wall i supposed. I mean, arent they suppose to give us a FIT to stay unit? Who's buying a construction site to stay? But Man.. I really have no idea when can I "settle" all those before I can start renovating/installing lightings. The management told me that they need AT LEAST another 2 weeks to get the door installed. And from then AT LEAST another month to look into all the defects I mentioned. Read carefully, AT LEAST... According to the man in charge, I don't know what he does but I know we are suppose to submit the defect list to him, he's got an office at the ground floor of the Kondo in block A. He also told me that it's better for me to submit the defect list after they've install the door. But when I asked him yesterday about the time they need once I submit the defect list to get the things done, he said if I submitted yesterday I'll be 56th on the waiting list. 56th??!! I don't think they can kaotim a unit in a day. So for sure I won't get the defects ratified in a month! That's for sure. And if I submit the defect list after the door is installed, I would be what? 356th on the waiting list? I mean come on!! How can you collect money from me and telling me that the unit is FIT to occupy? Make no sense at all man. Guys whoever you are. What do you suggest me to do? I just want to get the things done and move on! Time is essence. No point complain here and there and get no further from the problem I already have. Gotta say, disappointing. I really do. We are paying good money for things like that.. P/S: I noticed that some of the room doors have these weird holes on the side. I guess they accidentally drill the wholes on the wrong side of the door and the just simply amend it by filling the holes and painted it to cover up. Should I request to replace the doors or is it normal to do that way? Cause the last time I check a door can cost a few hundreds. I mean I've already paid so much for the Kondo. Takkan I wanna buy some defect?? Gosh. The more I type the the more fire I get. I would like to say I am new to this and would like to share my experience with you guys... I am not an owner but acting on behalf of one. About your defects if you read through your manual they are to rectify all the defects within 30 days of receiving a report and if after that and you are still not satisfied they will do so in another 14 days. If until then you are not satisfied you should be free to contact your own contractor to rectify the problem and pass the bill to them as the lawyers are still holding another 5% of the price and you need to sign a document for them to release the payment. Defects.... all the above and more of course. Please feel free to contact me at yow_yuen@yahoo.co.uk if you have any queries... I am not an agent or contractor although I got my contractor which does my house to do my GF cousins Unit over there. You guy are more than free to check her job... YES My contractor is a SHE. Anyway about the gangs it is true... oh I gave the email without the 19 as I forgot my last login name and have mailed the admin about my nick and password but no reply so no choice but to get a new mail to register another account for lowyat. I had an argement with Mr Sara but I think its over now and he is of great help currently dealing with the "Gangster" as a report has been lodge by them also. Please do make a report as more report the Cops would do something sooner. From what I heard which I am not sure true or not is... The contractor which is in Block 1 Level 4 unit 5 or 6 with the show room is under the Gang... He has to pay 10% to the gang... The other fella at Block 2 Level 15 not sure what unit number which also has a show room is Mr Ray. He is friendly but I also heard that he has to pay RM10,000 for them not to disturb him for doing reno. People... in this time and age are we going to let people bugger us when the cost of the building cost so much and they have even collected 3 months maintenance fee in advance. All I can say is that if anything happens to my contractor or workers or owners please let us join together to SUE the Developer as well as Henry Butcher if things does get out of hand. We did not pay so much for this SHIT. I would be free on Monday afternoon after my nap as I should be there to check things out. If you like I can help inspect your unit for defects... All I can say is CHECK your TILES (toilet) as most of them are hollow and they would crack after a while of course it would be after your warranty date. The window (Aluminium) frame also (my friends unit) is also damaged. Am not too sure how in the world they managed to scratch the darn thing... It looks like they used the frame to sand something or they were hungry as it looks like someone used a filer filer to file the frame. Don't talk about the AC unit... who the hell can install the AC unit so damn low...???? After a miracle if you do manage to install the indoor unit it would take another Miracle for you to place your curtains there... ALL OVER THE DARN UNIT... of course if you are on the 18th floor then you sure are lucky as the ceiling height is higher... Oh! the doors... don't get me started... its made out of PAPER (ok lah paper box...) don't believe me then I will show you the pic if you like. Its really sad... Plug points are not where the are supposed to be and switches are in the middle of everywhere. I needed to get them relocated and the ac needs to be done all again as CHINA wires are being used as well as if you are thinking of installing an inverter unit please change ur copper for the ac as what they have provided is for normal units... the inverter unit uses a thicker type. YES you can use the old thinner type for the inverter but be prepared to pay again later on as the pressure is too strong for the old one to handle. For your (everyone) information..... Person in charge as well as contact numbers are Mr. Sara 013-620 2431 Building Manager Ms. Yanti 012-649 6065 Building Supervisor Mr. Raja Sorry dont have his number but he is a very helpful Security Guard (others...hmm.. don't know bahasa or english.... ok lah not all) Mr. Faizal 012-237 7129 Incharge for block 1 Defect Mr. Roslan 012-303 3116 Incharge for Block 2 Defect I can't force you owners not to use certain contractors but please check the prices and if you get one you know from the outside and have problem please give Mr Sara a call and if you can't get him call Ms Yanti (I don't think she could do much) but here is a number you have to keep 03-8062 0485... THIS IS THE POLICE CONTACT - GERAK KHAS... Yes as I said my contractor and myself have made a report as things has been going missing and we suspected its those fellas but sadly no proof and of course if anything happens to her workers or her, myself or owners the cops knows who to look for. Cheers Added on June 6, 2012, 12:19 am QUOTE(yunashiwa @ Jun 1 2012, 09:06 AM) Yeah. So far no improvement whatsoever. Honestly. I'm scare of Villamas now. No more property from them. Ever. Hi!Btw. Have you contacted the vendor for the dryer? Looks like we have to bear the delivery charges our own. Make no sense. They said they are giving us for free. But we are bearing the delivery cost ourselves. What's the whole point? Really no idea. Wonder if we can arrange delivery together. Maybe we'll be able to share the delivery cost? Though I highly doubt they will let us do that. I bet we are going to have to queue up for the delivery as well! Update on the door, no improvement. Still the same. One big hole on the wall. Update on the defects, no actions. One word. Disappointing. On the other hand, tried to contact some agents. Actually they were the ones who contacted me first. All asking if I'm selling. Wanted to rent the unit out. Was asking some agents about the rental. All giving different answers. Way too much difference. Around RM1200 difference. Don't understand. I really wonder which agent is really giving genuine help. I asked if I would be able to push the rental higher if I have kitchen cabinet, air cons, fans and nice lightings installed. Answered one of the agent is, quote, "the difference will be around RM200"! Unbelievable! I spent an extra RM15,000 to get RM200 increase? Make no sense. But some agents are quite helpful. They tell you to install this and that and they will try to push the rental higher. But then again, they will TRY. Man. All these troubles. I wonder if it's worth all the efforts. So far the rent market is very quiet over there. As the condo is definitely not fit for staying. Findingpeace, you have any idea what your queue number is for the defect waiting list? cwhong, yeah. What else could be done? Nothing at all. The finishing is very bad but the building is solid... my renovation people complain as they use concrete for walls (YES Concrete and Y8 for walls) The did not use those for the wetyard though. Its only sand bricks there but if you need to relocate your plug points then well you would have problems and AC guy would be cursing as its bloody concrete stone and cement... My alam and CCTV guy has spend about 6 to 8 BOSCH drill bits to place the wires... those of you if you know BOSCH quality bits and cost...javascript:emoticon(':stars:') well they might increase the charges lol javascript:emoticon(':drool:'). No lah for me they did not as a quote is a quote... please ask your contractors to list down in detail all the point relocation... opening of plaster ceiling holes and installation of downlights... damn I might be looking for trouble in telling you guys this as most of this are their hidden cost... my contractor did list down as its not my first time dealing with her and no extra charges for problems out of our hands... just ask your to quote as mostly first time house buyers without any renovation done before would not know of these charges. Friend of mine got a quote of RM40k but end up paying more than double as all not in quote... so don't just look at price... ask what is included. I got a quote before getting mine to start work... same price... but 1/4 of work only. My quote was in 4 to 5 pages while the other fella just provided 1 page general quote without measurements. Just listed kitchen cabinet instead of bottom unit 10feet wall hung unit 8feet etc etc... Just contact me if you need any suggestions or help checking for defects on your unit... NO CHARGES as I am Keh Poh to help... Oh! I will not list my number here as I would not want those idiots (Gang and contractor who belongs to them) to call and bug me... Cheers and happy renovating.... This post has been edited by yow_yuen19: Jun 6 2012, 12:19 AM |
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Jun 6 2012, 05:27 PM) this atmosfera looks not bad especially on the common area.....but from picture, there is a pipe on the top of the kicthen...is that real? Look at ur plug points... they should be on the tile and not above... that is supposed to be the standard for new projects... well maybe I am wrong but even my contractor says so... sigh... not if getting wall unit have to relocated the darn plus... costing my friend money again...developer should hide this pipe...  |
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QUOTE(findingpeace @ Jun 6 2012, 02:26 PM) Hi yunashiwa, Hi there findingpeace...I'm not sure of my queue number. Just went for a check-up yesterday after 10+ days handed over my keys to the guy who manage the defects, I believe he is now far more experienced correcting the defects having received series of complains from owners. He had done up the wall (that's 75% of defects), and there are still some defects which he promised to be able to "kautim" by end this week (including fixing up the door). Honestly, I'm a little surprised the efficiency of his work, if all defects are really done within 2-3 weeks instead of 1 month, I'll be more lenient to just 'let-go' of some other smaller defects -- partly because I am going renovate the place, I will let my contractor to 'further refine' those smaller defects instead of waiting for Villamas. I hope they have worked on your unit by now. At least get it to be 'fit for staying'! A few reno contractors that I have met, told me about the same thing : Villamas is not a bad developer, but probably too lenient with the contractor who took advantage of it and hence QC is somewhat loosed. To heck I care.. Villamas still gotta hear the music from the disappointed owners who have all the rights to the property bought from them, right? So Villamas better mend the matter well especially since they are still selling Zeffer. They should know the consequence of viral-marketing from existing (disappointed) owners. BTW, I have not contact the vendor for the dryer, but the Villamas office did tell me that there will be delivery charge for it, maybe RM50 or so (is that right)?? It will be good to get them deliver our dryers together to save on that separate delivery charges. Why don't we just pick a day and get them do so? One thing though, my place is not up yet, so I am not sure if I should get the dryer anytime soon. I've been receiving tonnes of calls from property agents, asking to sell or rent etc.. I was told the smallest unit can fetch RM1500 with the larger go at RM1700 (partly furnished or bare units). So the rental price is not too bad, if you are thinking to rent it out, maybe furnish the lights and fans will do. No point doing kitchen cabinet etc just to get additional RM200 rental. Hi yow_yuen19, You are surely experienced dealing with all the people in Villamas/ Atmosfera/ Henry Burcher. Thanks for all the information! To make the unit a functional living place, I was quoted ard RM40k too (some reno @ rooms, kitchen & dry yard areas, also include the relocation of all AC, plumbing & electricity points).. That exclude house furnishing and other ID, so I think the bill is likely to be double that at the end of day. I think to myself, how on earth I ended up having to spend so much on a small place.. if the unit is well-done with functioning design to begin with, perhaps my bill won't be that high. Enough said. Sigh.. Not that I have lots of experience with them but just have other property with my GF and well went through alot and kinda of know the ins and outs of defects as well as what we are entitle to claim for defects. RM40K for reno seems reasonable... just make sure everything is listed properly in black and white no matter who the contractor is. They will say this and that and then when the job is done you can't say why this don't have or complain as they will just say "Look there is nothing specified in the quote" you want more plug add money... AC moving ask is it conceal or not as most quote just moving with trunking and not conceal. I hope my contractors do not encounter more harassment from people with no work. You don't need ID just think of how you want the place to look like and DIY save tonnes of $$$ as ID is per view and if not mistaken will set you back about 4 to 5k per project... then you would have a problem of costing... They will do ID very nice but when you ask a contractor to do the way they design... hmmmm... your cost would be somewhere in space. Even if your budger is lets say RM15K per room and its given to the ID fella... chances are they do not know the costing and workmanship of contractors there days unless they are the contractors themselves then no worries there. Feel free to get another quote from a Female Contractor... her name is Daphane... 012 3877 107. You don't need to confirm with her... just ask for another quote and compare prices.. you might be surprise. ask her if all the cost there or not... she would break down the quote for you. So far no problem from her or her workers... and she did my house that is why I recommended her to my friend over there which is under reno now. I did get another quote from contractors over there but their quote wasn't detailed enough as well as too many hidden costing. So still same contractor doing for me. Happy renovating and if you get outside contractor and have problem... Please look for Mr. Sara and make another police report and put it in the office. Damn... in this day and age we are still facing with idiots in a med-high end dwelling... sigh... what is this world becoming??? Added on June 6, 2012, 6:50 pm QUOTE(doomdoom @ Jun 6 2012, 06:45 PM) Ya plug points shuld be on the tiles, the area without tiles is for kitchen cabinet... Let me remind you guys again... the walls for most part in SOLID CONCRETE with Y8 maybe Y10 but most probably Y8. So be prepare if your contractor give you an excuse to up your renovation price due to concrete wall. It should not be the way as we did not know what materials the developer use to build the building and if the job was easier they sure as hell would not minus the cost or price from their quote so stick to your guns if you already have a quote and jobs has already started. CheersThis post has been edited by yow_yuen19: Jun 6 2012, 06:50 PM |
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QUOTE(Elena85 @ Jun 6 2012, 11:56 PM) After all the comment above, is atmosfera still worth to buy ??? after everything complete and those buggers do not disturb and security is beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeefed up then it should be ok as the landscaping looks good... it all depends on the maintenance as well as the residents there. If all do not pay to those fella who want to cari pasal then all is fine... must unite... 1MALAYSIA MAHAdded on June 8, 2012, 11:00 pm QUOTE(Chunkit9 @ Jun 7 2012, 04:33 PM) atmosfera forum need ppl like you who give positive advise... good.. after all, Atmosfera is not that worst.. everything can improve but lately am losing faith in the current rectification works.. my reno almost done and rectify work also not completed. Supposed to be first come first serve... well collected key and submitted defect looooooooooooooooooooooooong ago... door is still missing.... others which have not collected their keys had their doors fixed already... WHAT THE $#!@$@This post has been edited by yow_yuen19: Jun 8 2012, 11:00 PM |
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[quote=yow_yuen19,Jun 8 2012, 10:58 PM] after everything complete and those buggers do not disturb and security is beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeefed up then it should be ok as the landscaping looks good... it all depends on the maintenance as well as the residents there. If all do not pay to those fella who want to cari pasal then all is fine... must unite... 1MALAYSIA MAH Basically not bad. But the price slightly high, over bank valuer. My worried point is 1) the finishing is out, not sure management will settle all the defect and problem or not. 2) villamas apartment got serious water leaking problem. Maybe it will happen the same in atmosfera. 3) only one access in and out, high density area, parking is messy. Will it the problem be solve or be worst.. Any advise ??? [/quote] Rectification work will be done for sure but how fast its another matter. Mine is still in progress and about your worries on leaking  sure got... Just go to the top floor to view the Duplex units... Their Jacuzzi is leaking  into their hall and the floor below is having problems with their roof as its under the Jacuzzi... so leaking is there...Added on June 29, 2012, 9:40 pm[quote=getfromme,Jun 17 2012, 05:29 PM] Atmosphera Condo Puchong ~~~SHOW UNIT~~~ available for viewing from 27 Jun 2012 Please whatsapp/sms/call in advanced to view Show Unit. 012.387 7107 * 20% discount on all wiring and plaster ceiling works for first 20 customers * [/quote] Guys and Girls... This is my Contractor... and workmanship or should I say workwomanship (Yes shes a she!) is superb and great for value... No I am not working with her but she did my house too and this unit belongs to my Girlfriends Cousin so I am doing all the stuff for her. I have meet a few people already and its just recommended to get opinions and quote as it doesn't hurt. All I can say is price definitely good as no need to pay Gangster... if your contractor pays Gangster then the payment is surely from your pocket. Anyone disturb please report to police and do not I repeat DO NOT encourage them by giving money. Bugger you pay almost 500K and you want this hassle... Go and call management for further action. Cheers and happy renovating  This post has been edited by yow_yuen19: Jun 29 2012, 09:42 PM |
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