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TSSerioseCat
post May 14 2009, 01:25 AM, updated 17y ago

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As per topic.

Is it illegal to discuss about ways to acquire developer certificate and key file in this forum?

If it is illegal, may i know at which area exactly does it violates nokia/symbian copyright issues?

And may I know why the iphone section clearly has pinned content on jailbreaking? given that apple already clearly deemed it illegal and to support it, jailbreaking even voids the warranty. Signing an application using developer cert does not void any warranty.

This post has been edited by SerioseCat: May 14 2009, 01:28 AM
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post May 14 2009, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(SerioseCat @ May 14 2009, 01:25 AM)
As per topic. 

Is it illegal to discuss about ways to acquire developer certificate and key file in this forum?

If it is illegal, may i know at which area exactly does it violates nokia/symbian copyright issues?

And may I know why the iphone section clearly has pinned content on jailbreaking? given that apple already clearly deemed it illegal and to support it, jailbreaking even voids the warranty.  Signing an application using developer cert does not void any warranty.
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lol..the developer certificate isnt illegal....but the way you get it..its maybe illegal..

as i know all symbian software can be signed using symbiansign at >> https://www.symbiansigned.com/app/page
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post May 14 2009, 10:59 PM

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coz my previous posts had been deleted on how to obtain dev certs
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post May 14 2009, 11:13 PM

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But from what I know, Zitron does not allow hacking. Maybe rumors, but last time when I sent in for warranty, (fully hacked), not prob at all..
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QUOTE(shaun3230 @ May 14 2009, 11:13 PM)
But from what I know, Zitron does not allow hacking. Maybe rumors, but last time when I sent in for warranty, (fully hacked), not prob at all..
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thats pure BS.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 15 2009, 11:34 AM)
thats pure BS.
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Didnt I say maybe it was just rumors by some? Thorugh my experience, they didnt mind
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post May 26 2009, 10:47 PM

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We all know where to get it. Its not something new

The way u get your cert is not illegal. But most application requires signing are crack application.

Its like u telling me developer creates software so ppl can find ways to hack it is it without paying? Like that GAMELOFT, EA Games all those companies close down over night.


THe click here link u given is illegal because the site is full of illegal application not the way u get your cert.

2ndly its like u redirect ppl to an illegal site. Reported anyway

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post May 26 2009, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ May 26 2009, 10:47 PM)
We all know where to get it. Its not something new

The way u get your cert is not illegal. But most application requires signing are crack application.

Its like u telling me developer creates software so ppl can find ways to hack it is it without paying? Like that GAMELOFT, EA Games all those companies close down over night.
THe click here  link u given is illegal because the site is full of illegal application not the way u get your cert.

2ndly its like u redirect ppl to an illegal site. Reported anyway
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you knowing where to get it does not mean everyone else does. just as you not having a particular problem does not mean everyone else should not. i have seen many posts of ppl who dont know what is signing or stuck with problems when their apps are unsigned. dont act as though u are blind.

from your arguement, i can see that u are not able to differentiate between signing and hacking. Pls realize theres a distinction between those 2.

its like you telling me everyone who buys a parang is going to slash someone with it, is it true? When something has both bad and good uses to it, its not fair to assume people are doing something bad

illegal site? well, fair enough.
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post May 26 2009, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(SerioseCat @ May 26 2009, 11:29 PM)
you knowing where to get it does not mean everyone else does.  just as you not having a particular problem does not mean everyone else should not.  i have seen many posts of ppl who dont know what is signing or stuck with problems when their apps are unsigned.  dont act as though u are blind.

from your arguement, i can see that u are not able to differentiate between signing and hacking.  Pls realize theres a distinction between those 2.

its like you telling me everyone who buys a parang is going to slash someone with it, is it true?  When something has both bad and good uses to it, its not fair to assume people are doing something bad

illegal site? well, fair enough.
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i agree with aspire2oo6 in this thing

lol.. relax.. as i know the signing method is use to hack..[HelloOX is unsigned...so need to signed first]
bcoz the way to get the cert is illegal..
there are no such unsigned/cerificate error if the software is legal[shareware]..

if they stuck at signing software.. thats mean they download the software[maybe illegally]

if the software is legal..
the one method to signed the software is at http://www.symbiansigned.com

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p/s: symbiansigned wont sign the illegal software..such as HelloOX,and others..

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QUOTE(kae7 @ May 26 2009, 11:43 PM)
i agree with aspire2oo6 in this thing

lol.. relax.. as i know the signing method is use to hack..[HelloOX is unsigned...so need to signed first]
bcoz the way to get the cert is illegal..
there are no such unsigned/cerificate error if the software is legal[shareware]..

if they stuck at signing software.. thats mean they download the software[maybe illegally]

if the software is legal..
the one method to signed the software is at http://www.symbiansigned.com

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p/s: symbiansigned wont sign the illegal software..such as HelloOX,and others..
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killme
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the above are freeware, no? yet they are unsigned.

if u buy a pirated DVD, u are infringing on copyright of the movie company
if u download a cracked software, u will again infringe copyright
buy a clone Adidas shoe means illegal against Adidas

but u apply for a dev cert for your phone, whose intellectual property are u infringing, or from whom are u stealing?

Is it from symbian? is it Nokia's? or is it Gameloft etc?

Who got wronged? rolleyes.gif


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post May 27 2009, 12:02 AM

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then why dont u call NOKIA and ask why must create certification for developers only? Why dont make certification public?


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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ May 27 2009, 12:02 AM)
then why dont u call NOKIA and ask why must create certification for developers only? Why dont make certification public?
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duh, why dont u call them? and while youre at it try asking them whether its illegal or not for us to have certificates.

youre not contributing to the arguement.
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from logic i know the answer. You are uncertain so you should call and make yourself certain about it.
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post May 27 2009, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ May 27 2009, 12:28 AM)
from logic i know the answer. You are uncertain so you should call and make yourself certain about it.
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so whats the answer?

your logic not necessarily same as Nokia logic. Wait, u said Nokia right?

Certificate system questions should be asked to Symbian, not Nokia. Symbian provides its OS to other company too, such as SE. The website name is Symbian signed, not NokiaSigned btw.

So good luck on your "call Nokia" abt certificate
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i have the answer u create this post because ure not sure and do not know. If ure still uncertain please call Nokia hope they will answer you. All of us know the answer so we dont direct ppl to warez site and create this thread regarding certification. So get your facts right SIR. Have a great day ahead and 1 more we dont spend our entire day on kopitiam spamming too sleep tight.

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let me clear up somethings here first.

Signed certs are designed specifically for the Symbian OS/platform, not for Nokia phones.
Any developer can write and release a software for the Symbian platform/phones, and it'll run on any Symbian device, in this case Nokia S60 phones. However, the Symbian OS only allows application that has been "signed" to run on the Symbian OS, or in this case, Nokia phones for "security" purposes. Nokia enforces this so that unsigned applications don't cause instability on the phone which they have to spend time and money to warranty and fix.

Read the FAQ below, sounds logical but what actually Symbian wants is to get payment for every application that the developer release and also for "quality control" so that bad developer don't tarnish the Symbian platform with unstable software. So if you're a poor or small developer and cannot fork out the money to have Symbian sign your application, you release it as an unsigned application. Besides that, because every signed application needs to go through Symbian, they will also screen through application and deny signing any application that will jeopardize their rice bowl, or cause security issues.

Also, it state that there is nothing wrong about self-signing you applications, but they strongly advise developers to go through the proper signing process to gain credibility and "faster route to market"

I strongly feel that finding out ways how to obtain developer certificate is valid and should be discussed as long as it does not involve any hacking elements. Instead it's something that spurs and develop the local Symbian developer community which is clearly lacking in Malaysia. Anyway, don't be mad if this topic is not allowed to discuss in LYN forums, as I believe that specific developer/technical forums would benefit developers more, but it'll be sad that other people will not be able contribute or learn in this matter. Also I feel that getting Opda certs is still within the threshold and not considered as hacking.


Q. Why has Symbian launched Symbian Signed?

A. Symbian Signed is designed to promote best practice in Symbian OS applications. Although existing signing schemes exist (for example, ones run by Operators, application publishers and phone manufacturers), Symbian has worked to produce a unified, standard program backed by the major players in the industry. Multiple programs result in fragmentation which in turn results in extra costs for the industry and a more complex and expensive route to market for software developers. The single Symbian Signed scheme is a credible alternative to multiple individual schemes, reducing the cost and complexity of getting applications to market.


Q. How much does it cost to get an application signed?

A. You will need to buy an Publisher ID from VeriSign (which costs $350) or from Trust Center (which costs $200). This will identify you as the source of an application and you will need this to sign any applications that you submit for testing. This allows the Test House to verify the application is (a) from you, and (b) has not been tampered with before it reaches them. Your own Publisher ID can be used to sign an unlimited number of applications, though you will need to renew it on annual basis.


So read up more here
https://www.symbiansigned.com/app/page/overview/faq


Q. What is application signing?

A. Application signing is a way of adding a tamper-proof "digital signature" to a software application. It is an industry-standard technique and is used in phones containing Symbian OS to ensure that when an application is installed into the phone it is unchanged from when it was signed, proving that it has not been 'hacked' or maliciously altered. For Symbian Signed, a further condition of signing is that the originator's identity has been verified so signed applications can be tracked back to their source.

Q. What is Symbian Signed?

A. Symbian Signed is an industry-backed scheme allowing Symbian OS software developers to obtain a digital signature for their applications. In order to obtain such a signature, the company or individual responsible for the development of the application must be clearly identified and the application must pass certain tests. This allows the originator of the application to be traced should any problems occur in the future and ensures that the signed applications meet certain minimum standards.

Q. Do all Symbian OS applications need to go through Symbian Signed before they can be deployed to a phone?

A. Today, unsigned applications can also be installed on Symbian OS phones. However, some operators and distribution channels have indicated they will increasingly only distribute applications that have been Symbian Signed. As signing becomes easier and even more cost-effective, we expect that the market will move progressively to a model in which application signing is a normal part of the development process.

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@kayz

thanks for contributing so much on this issue

unlike some who claim 'everybody knows' yet asks me to call Nokia for certificate issues
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this topic is useful one..
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more information needed too
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post May 31 2009, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ May 26 2009, 10:47 PM)
We all know where to get it. Its not something new

The way u get your cert is not illegal. But most application requires signing are crack application.

Its like u telling me developer creates software so ppl can find ways to hack it is it without paying? Like that GAMELOFT, EA Games all those companies close down over night.
THe click here  link u given is illegal because the site is full of illegal application not the way u get your cert.

2ndly its like u redirect ppl to an illegal site. Reported anyway
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Yes, but there are some freewares that are unsigned, Symbian Plus, CPU Monitor and a whole lot more...

But I agree that say 99% of unsigned apps are cracked ones


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post Jun 15 2009, 11:39 AM

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Hi there..My advise to all my fren,please don't buying a certificate from
https://www.symbiansigned.com
I already paid for US$200 (about RM700) to get illegal certificate from this site,but until now,I got nothing. Already contacted them,but waiting...waiting..waiting and waiting...still got no answer. Lastly,I contacted PayPal to open disputed report to get back my money. So, for all LowYat member's,if you really wanna certificate just go to OPDA http://www.opda.net.cn and after 24hours you will get your certificate to sign your favourite software. It's really easy,free and fast. Just ignore symbiansigned...they're s**k..

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