Stock Market VERSION 26, Baby bull @ Baby bear ?
Stock Market VERSION 26, Baby bull @ Baby bear ?
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May 15 2009, 12:24 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
Haha, I bought LIONIND again at RM1.26....... kiasu....
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May 15 2009, 02:42 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
Small caps sell off today......
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May 15 2009, 03:58 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
I think Genting & Resort will be hit by the H1N1 news......
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May 15 2009, 04:22 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
Dumped my long-term friend LCL for peanuts...... dunno why construction going down........
Hope to pick up when it is lower...... |
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May 15 2009, 06:36 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(virtualgay @ May 15 2009, 04:24 PM) Dunno whether it is a good buy at current price. OSK recommend a "sell" : http://sensecents.blogspot.com/2009/05/ste...update-osk.htmlQUOTE(simplesmile @ May 15 2009, 05:57 PM) Die la... I think this time i kena shark trap already. I think UBS goreng E&O stock until very high before 14 May. Then on 14 May, it convert the ICULS into shares and sell to the ikan bilis. Sad la... I kena makan already. closing price is RM0.775 I think the first thing you have to evaluate is whether the company is fundamentally good or not and whether it gives good dividend if you need to hold for long-term. If you're not confident with the company, or you were just "gorenging", then it might be a good idea to sell at a loss.Now I want to get advice from the experienced traders. Please share your experience with me. No right or wrong. Final decision and responsibility still rest with me. I just want to know what you would do if you're in my shoes. 1. Do I now average down this stock, cut loss, or just hold and wait? 2. If I average down, then what strategy do I use? My original investment is 20,000 shares @ RM0.86 = RM17,200 a) Buy 20,000 units every time it drops by 10%? So my next level down is RM0.77? After that, my next price is RM0.69? b) Instead of buying every time it drops by 10%, what percentage do you prefer? 15%? 20%? c) Instead of buying 20,000 units every time to average down, should I be buying RM17,200 @ RM0.77 = 22,337 shares? If you are confident with the company, then, you may hold it and consider the next step of whether you should average down. How much it drops before you average down would then depend on how much capital you have. If you have enough capital, then I guess a 5-10% drop would be the general rule. If not enough capital, then maybe a 15-20% drop. Whatever it is, if you decide to hold, you also have to expect to hold it for long-term as a fundamentally sound company will definitely go up one day. May be months or may be years..... However, if you need some cash soon from this investment, then holding it might not be a good idea either.... I guess I can relate to your predicament as the same thing happen to me when I bought LCL at 77 cents. Dropped to 30+ cents. Almost pengsan. Average down to 62 cents. After much rally, and drop, decided to sell today at 64 cents...... My 0.0002 noob 6-months experience.... This post has been edited by kmarc: May 15 2009, 06:36 PM |
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May 15 2009, 08:07 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(simplesmile @ May 15 2009, 06:55 PM) Thanks for sharing. As for whether this is a fundamentally good company or not, I can only find the following from their quarterly report. Where else can I find the info on their current and future projects? The info on their website seems outdated. Also, can someone help calculate for me what is the new Net Assets Per Share after the ICULS conversion on 14/5/2009? Better yet guide me how to calculate. Is it RM880,027,000 divide 598,303,331 shares = RM1.47 NAPS? If I'm not mistaken, I have an article from The Edge magazine about E&O. Will post up the details of the article later.... |
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May 15 2009, 10:40 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
When I started stock trading, my first rule was to play safe and not be greedy i.e. no sai lang business. Because of this, since starting trading, I have not lost any of my trades yet. Of course, I entered the market when it crashed so I was very lucky. To reduce my risk, I usually wait for the market to fall, then start buying in small amounts. If the counter drops further, I will average down. Eventually, the counter will go up above my ABP (unless the company goes bankrupt).
So far, my realized profits is around 15% of my capital and came from trades as below: Zelan x2 Gamuda x2 KNM x2 Scomi Lionind WCT Resorts Kinstel LCL Now I'm holding on to the following counters, all of which has paper gain except for Hektar (slow snail counter for dividend only): Uchitec Lionind MRCB Kinstel Many people try to use their small knife to cut big tree. However, lots of time, the big tree will fall on you!!! Stocks trading is risky business. Chance to become rich.... of course.... but you also have a chance to lose all you money.... As cherroy has said - if you keeping jumping from one counter to the other (while make profits), you'll eventually jump into a wrong boat and lose....... Trade safely. Less profit is better than losing your money right? Edit : Oh ya, I only use cash account. No margin business for me. This post has been edited by kmarc: May 15 2009, 10:57 PM |
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May 15 2009, 11:06 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(virtualgay @ May 15 2009, 10:59 PM) I also need to learn how to trade from you... now i have around 55% cash and 45% on pure TM shares... Errr.... I'm a noob in stocks trading myself and is not qualified to teach you la.... just that I apply some simple principles to lower my risk in this risky stock market....... today make a quick KINSTELL profit but not much! |
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May 15 2009, 11:10 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
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May 16 2009, 08:10 PM
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Elite
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QUOTE(alanaw @ May 16 2009, 07:14 PM) Now i have the thinking of lending money from bank to pump into stock market. However, i m juz a fresh graduate with 4 month of working experience. Does not have any asset for mortgage. But i do have a steady income of 3.4k every month. So am i eligible to lend about 50k from bank? Do you have any savings at all? Lending money to play stocks is very dangerous. Unless you can be 100% you'll earn money from stocks, it is better not to do it. What happens if you lose money?Any banker or anyone with financial background to clarify my question? I'm not in the financial business though... just giving some advice.... |
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May 17 2009, 03:02 PM
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Elite
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ May 17 2009, 01:59 PM) Hi omores, regards my E&O. I've more or less decided to cut loss on this counter. And buy back when it reaches 0.60 or 0.5x. After that, will wait for UBS to gorent this stock again to make back my losses. Found the article on E&O in "The Edge" weekly dated April 20, 2009.Very long article with lots of information but the end summary is this: QUOTE Whether E&O's strategy will pay off will hinge on the timing of the economic recovery. If property sales pick up by the time the company launches its two key projects, E&O could position itself for the next upcycle. But if the economy does not recover, the company may get stuck as high-end developments are usually the hardest hit in a slowdown and the last segment in the property sector to recover I guess that means that for E&O, it could go either way....... |
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May 18 2009, 10:29 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(simplesmile @ May 18 2009, 10:16 PM) You know what? I've been trading buy and sell and I've made lots of losses. So,... now I'm going to do the opposite of what my mind tells me. If my brain tells me to sell, then I'll buy. If my brain tells me to buy, then I'll sell. If I trade like this, then maybe I can make gains? Hmmm... How about thinking long-term?I'm thinking of going long-term after the next dip. Buy bit by bit if the prices drop then hold for long-term.... The only problem is when should I start buying?!?!! |
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May 18 2009, 11:14 PM
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Elite
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 18 2009, 11:11 PM) From Alliance Research Thx for the link. Was thinking of what to goreng tomorrow.KLCI Resistance Level: 1026 - 1035 KLCI Immediate Support: 1010 - 997 Daily Trading Pick: Sapcres Take Profits on MRCB & PARKSON Ler, ask to take profit on MRCB when it is dropping like wat..... |
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