Yeah and Liverpool fans are delusional it seems. Apparently he's not so good with memory either. Also usage of words like "the whole world can see", "everyone knows", when no ones actually backed him are is a sign of insecurity as well, requiring the affirmation of others.

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Added on February 11, 2011, 5:04 pmApparently you must be from Kelantan just like you must be from Somalia to understand the plight of starving children. I wonder why they invented the word, "empathy" then?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 11 2011, 05:04 PM

The definition has changed again. Now it's fine to support a foreign side, just so long as they are in the Conference League. Doesn't matter I your aren't born there anymore. Hard to have a proper conversation with this one hence me resorting to kid like mannerisms.

You've missed out another key word that is "hunter" which indicates continuity or it will just be "hunt".

To address you question of having the guts to support your local side I believe ive explained on more than one occassion. Care to refute my POV? I don't expect you to understand how I feel, but I do expect a person to look at it with a degree of logic.

By your reckoning, Norwich would be a more "glorious" team since they've won a European club. So it's only fine to support less glorious clubs than your own. Clubs that have less trophies but play in a bigger league?

"glory" indicates success. "hunter" indicates a person constantly searching. Some do whilst others have stopped. How can there not be a differentiation? Again, your definition seems to be the same as yuki's. Only people who support local teams aren't glory hunters whilst the millions around the world that do, although we are so diverse in nature. See things in black & white as well? Care then to take a stab at something I asked earlier then? Why do you think the Indonesian reds I mentioned earlier did what they did for Hillsborough, an occasion not related to glory?

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Added on February 11, 2011, 6:21 pmHere then is the flaw in your argument regarding Sunday league teams. Are you saying it's better for someone to support a team they never get to watch, or read about? Where is the attachment then?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 11 2011, 06:21 PM

I have no issues with saying anything to your face. It's just I have no idea what your post has to do with mine. Since when did I talk about supporting Kelantan?

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Added on February 12, 2011, 10:36 am@arressandro

Here is where we defer then. You say that the word, "hunter" doesn't indicate continuity. Well you've just redefined the English language then. You agreed before that a smoke who stopped smoking isn't a smoke anymore. Therefore a person who stops hopping clubs, even if his stops winning titles should by that definition no longer be a hunter. Pretty straightforward if you ask me.

Just because you cannot relate to how some feel about a foreign side, doesn't meant it's impossible to feel the same or stronger than you do about your local side. Your only argument to support your local side so far is, "I was born here". When others try to articulate how they feel about their foreign side, you deflect it without even explaining why you think it's impossible.

About your suggestion that "foreigners" who mourn for Hillsborough do so because it is part of glory hunting, I am both surprised and apalled that you doubt the sincerity in their hearts. I am disgusted that you think those who make the trip to Anfield each year from verious countries like Greece and Germany do so because they want the glamour.

You've heard why some of us support the foreign side of our choice. Can you enlighten us and tell us why you support your local side. This isn't a contest because each has just an important reason of his own. If you feel an affinity to your home team, good but you cannot force others to feel the same way especially if they have a strong enough reason not to, whether you agree or not.

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Added on February 12, 2011, 11:15 am@cityblueprint

Yes a rapist will always be a rapist just as how a murderer will always be a murderer. Yes sides like Liverpool and Man Utd are seeking our 19th league title but how is this any different from any other club? Are you saying that clubs don't want to win titles and fans don't want to see their teams victorious?



This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 12 2011, 11:15 AM

Thing is I see merits behind your arguments. Liverpool was the first English side I remember watching. Think it was on Road to Wembley. Although I started watching them in the late 80's coverage was severely limited without TV or the internet. I frequently purchase SHOOT or MATCH magazines to see how they were doing in the league. My favorite section was the end bit where you got to see the statistics from each game and how many points each player got. I can't say I watched each game simply because there was none. I had no one to talk to about Liverpool because none of my friends were fans of football. I had my magazines, Road to Wembley and a 1 hr, 2 week old highlights programme, that was it. In hindsight I could just as easily have been a fan of Everton, Leeds Utd, Man Utd, Spurs or Arsenal. These were the only sides featured regularly on Telly. Hard to have been a fan of Wolves, Luton, Oldham or QPR as I hardly got to watch them and without the Internet, information was severely limited.

To be honest I never even heard of Shankly prior to the Internet. After reading his biography and hearing about him and how he transformed the club, I was smitten. Now I do what I can to ensure I learn more by reading biographies of former players like Tommy Smith, Phil Thompson, Robbie Fowler, and current players like Carra and Gerrard. I've met Phil Neal once and he shared tales about Bob Paisley. Didn't have much else to hold on to at the point with the club winning 3 trophies, 2 of which were relatively small ones being the Charity Shield and League Cup I. A span of 8 years. Souness made sure of that.

Suffice to say, I remain a Liverpool supporter because of all I've read. To say that all of this is irrelevant is in my opinion, naive. The day I went to Anfield was one of the best days in my life. After almost 20 years I finally got to realize my dream of seeing the team play in the flesh.

I post this because of what someone said earlier, that what's most important isnt what people say, it's about what you think of yourself. Now I'm sure some posters wont bother reading since they've already labeled me but I am not insecure.

Don't think this argument will ever end simple because opinions are so diverse. Like arressandro said earlier, I don't agree with your label and I accept your opinion.

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Added on February 12, 2011, 11:58 amYuki, the adults are talking. You've done enough to prove you're an imbecile. You don't even understand why I posed that question to arresandro you nimrod. I'm not questioning his loyalty. I'm pointing out that some people feel the same about foreign sides. You're like the stupid little kid that needs each joke explained to him.

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Added on February 12, 2011, 12:03 pmPS: my posts are long because I've a lot to say. If you find it hard to articulate your thoughts, that's your problem, not mine.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 12 2011, 12:03 PM

Yes, you avoid questions, label them unimportant, continue to use words like "butthurt", "glory hunter" and "plastics" in every post and I'm the kid.

Tell you what. Since your head hurts when I feed you too much information at one go, let me keep my questions short and see if you participate in a matured discussion. Incidentally, this is a forum, not a chat room and the former promotes discussions, long or otherwise.

1) What does supporting a Premiership team have to do with anyone supporting Swansea?
2) Are you saying it makes more sense to support a team you never get to see play?
3) When was Hillsborough a 2nd division side?

I'm not supporting the city of Liverpool you half-wit. I'm supporting the team. I'm not a freaking tour guide of the city and you wouldn't know this, but stories of Liverpool ranging from Shankly to Hillsborough are available on books and online. Those things are not unique to the city of Liverpool. I don't pretend to understand the scouse way of like but this isn't my intention is it?

Since when did you represent teams in the world? The almighty Yukie now speaks on behalf of football clubs you know nothing about? Nope, nothing juvenile about it at all. You use words like "the whole world" and "everyone", claiming they support you. Where are they? Who are they? You have invisible friends now?

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Added on February 12, 2011, 6:14 pmI almost fell off my chair reading that statement. Reckon he pictures himself as a crusader for lesser known clubs all around the world, fighting injustice, using his keyboard to find glory hunters worldwide whilst dressed in his pink leotard.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 12 2011, 06:16 PM

Your English is not poor so don't shortchange yourself.

Here is one thing to consider about your analogy. You support say Yellow house because you were put in yellow house. You weren't given a choice, at least I wasn't. Your emotional attachment is to the team and not what the house represents. If you were all on the blue team, you would feel the same way.

I don't know what the others mean but given a choice, I'd like to represent an organization/club whose values, I believe in. I want to be part of something that represents what I believe in. I cannot bring myself to support an entity whose purpose I do not support or approve of.

Your English is not poor so don't shortchange yourself.

Here is one thing to consider about your analogy. You support say Yellow house because you were put in yellow house. You weren't given a choice, at least I wasn't. Your emotional attachment is to the team and not what the house represents. If you were all on the blue team, you would feel the same way.

I don't know what the others mean but given a choice, I'd like to represent an organization/club whose values, I believe in. I want to be part of something that represents what I believe in. I cannot bring myself to support an entity whose purpose I do not support or approve of.