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post Aug 9 2011, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(sue.chan @ Aug 9 2011, 11:06 AM)
ppl who have had bad experience will definitely tread more carefully. no one needs to feel stressed or offended at all. after all, forums are created to share knowledge and experience.

for lowlowc, I wouldn't consider your KC at all. There are many KC makers out there who's willing to take measurement and give u a quotation without obligation.

I was at the M'sian Furniture and Furnishing Exhibition at KLCC over the weekend and came across one KC who requires 50% upon confirmation and the other 50% BEFORE installation. He kept telling me his price is very low as he's giving FREE granite top !! Then I asked if I have paid the full amt even b4 installation, what will happen if something is not right during/after installation ? His face immediately turned sour, never replied me and I just said thank you and walked off.

He was so friendly initially and this is what I meant in my earlier post. funny how some ppl are...maybe i looked like a dumbo who'll agree to terms like that without questions. hahaha....
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urs is exception case, for the EXIBITION sales what they need is SALES yeah i means a lots of sales in that few days time. u can imagine how many ppl will visit their booth in that 3-4days? can be 500 ppl or more (never do statistics on this) how can they let u put ur contact number in the database and call to visit one by one???? so what is the estimated costs for setting up a booth at the EXPO? only the venue itself for 2 booth (location depended) can go to around 20K without the cabinets and the labours and transportation was not even calculated, so how can they afford without asking u to place RM 500 for the deposits/lock-in price? To be fair to the exibitors too, RM 500 is reasonable lahhh.......
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post Aug 9 2011, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(sue.chan @ Aug 9 2011, 04:02 PM)
good guess...u've done your homework too. in fact, that fella kept pestering me to pay a deposit b4 i had a chance to ask abt pymt terms. i asked how much. he said any amt. I went like "what ???". what do u mean by "any" amt ? Can i pay RM10 then ? To which he then said RM500 or RM300, up to u la. funny right how some companies train their sales ppl ?

lowlowc, i always thought measurement is free. No ? Coz none of those i've asked to come for measurement actually told me it's chargeable. so i take it as FREE and WITHOUT OBLIGATION.
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yupp ur case is little funny lousy sales person not professional at all, he was very desperate for the money ? any amount will do? he scare u dun have money to pay so ask for any amount so that as long as cash ....... doh.gif Quotations is always FREE (if they provide u the floor plan) how can they charge u for a piece of paper with some typing efforts???
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(lowlowc @ Aug 10 2011, 10:00 AM)
My colleague got her deal in balakong area, I donno how she got her deal but they proceed the work very very fast! 9 am already waiting at her house on the installaton day and finished within that day. But her project is smaller and simpler.

For my case, I'm concerned because i'll be paying 10% without getting a single thing that can safeguard myself. I read a post in anither topic here, a forummer kena after paying more than 1 k booking fees, kc raised their price significantly. I think i'll stick to no paying before getting measurement, final quotation and 3d. At most i'll pay rm50 considering they travel to my house to measure. 50% before getting a single piece of wood install in my house, do they really need that much? I know placing rm50 from start till end is not good lah, but say if I gave rm500 when confirming?
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yeah u have ur every right to not paying money before measurement, since the markets got a lots of type of player ...... some may insists u to pay, some may even no need to pay until u satisfy with what u take. 40-50% is really the standard in the market for downpayment.... if ur total costs of goods is 1.5k i think 500 shud be not a problem for them to accept but if the amount was up to 10k would u think 500 will be enough for them to proceed the fabrication work? or put it this way if u're the boss and u're selling KC would u accept an order of 10k with 500 deposits? i bet u will said NO NO NO cause once u said u dunwan the KC already so the BOSS can sell the KC to others consumers? NO NO again coz this is customs made for u, it might not suite the size and the taste of the consumer!!! Of course dun simply place 40% deposit to whoever said they are doing KC, u need to survey their reputation mah. it's ur money, u made the choice......... nod.gif
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post Aug 11 2011, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Evon Chan @ Aug 11 2011, 11:31 AM)
Melamine not good... especially for KC. heard complain by so many of my frens b4. melamine is actually chipboard..


Added on August 11, 2011, 11:47 am
[COLOR=blue]1st - workmanship/ quality of product2nd- after sales service
3rd-honesty
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I do agree that most of company out there like to cheat us by lots diff kind of materials.
melamine, chipboard, compressed wood... they're all same....  rclxub.gif
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post Aug 12 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(Evon Chan @ Aug 12 2011, 09:34 AM)
YES, Seriously. If You're from seremban. out of seremban. i think they'll charge for transport if u only do a KC.
actually Seremban price is much cheaper. If you do alot of works. it will be worth.
but, anything u can nego with tht person lah.
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post Aug 15 2011, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(lowlowc @ Aug 14 2011, 01:52 AM)
Need a little clarification here. The KC we went before, told me high gloss and acrylic are different stuff. I was shown 2 units of kitchen cabinet which showed the difference between these two; acrylic has smoother 'glow/reflection' while hi gloss's 'glow' is a little blur/shadowy.

But the second KC I went yesterday, showed me an acrylic kitchen cabinet display but it looked to me like hi gloss. On asking, he said acrylic and hi gloss are the same.

Can anyone clarify on this?
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seems like nobody answer your questions, maybe i can help ....

High-gloss: is using MDF board as the base material and after spray painted it will give u a glossy finishing. but MDF board is very sensitive to water which is also its main disadvantage beside this it will be very hard to maintain in the longer run coz will scratch very easily and very troublesome to touch up once scratch.

Arcylic: is another type of material which made from plastics materials but higher grade type (dunno the scientificaly name) which can use many types of base materials to produce like aluminum frame, plywood, melamine board aka chipboard, and even mdf but this is rare due to the above issues icon_idea.gif

So conclusion Arcylic and High-gloss is not the same product !!!!

Anyone can guess Solid wood and solid board is the same??? anyone wanna try to answer this? whistling.gif
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post Aug 16 2011, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Aug 15 2011, 08:48 PM)
But we also will have fillet like this if the cabinet is attach to a wall. Normally is only 5cm. But if the room have cornice or skirting. If might be slightly bigger. Even my showroom cabinet have this fillet. smile.gif
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post Aug 17 2011, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(wrb7878 @ Aug 16 2011, 04:16 PM)
All the while we hear so many good feedback on UD, and now we have bad feedback ... 1 out of 10 case.
but at least it can prove that THIS forum is where we can see the actual story.
if every 1 of us come back only with good feedback, the forum reader may  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
so bad feedback means there is a GAP for UD to improve!


Added on August 16, 2011, 4:19 pm
AGREE! Sometimes the ppl have make the mistake but they will NOT admit it!
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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 16 2011, 04:20 PM)
I give respect to people acknowledge their problem, apology, and look for solution. Nothing is perfect in this world.
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QUOTE(nivlaccat @ Aug 16 2011, 11:54 PM)
I think u should go direct to their boss as salesman & installer always give you all the rubbish excuses(nobody would tell his fault)...How can you accept a senget wardrobe door and extra panel to cover 3 inches space?
I think you should ask them to remake it as what's suppose on agreement.

Let's us know what's your outcome? DOn't let's other become a victim
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i think there is nothing to scared, afterall we are just human errors is unavoidable ...... yes admit it and rectify it will be the better solutions dun drag until there's no turning points both side also at the loser's side. Technical things have to ask technical ppl, if technical ppl also cannot solved it go one rank higher. Mosts of the drawings on paper will not give u the issues u have in physical cabinets, this for sure ....... Bad or good comments is just meant for sharing and it's healthy too, one cannot expect them to do perfectly all the time. Respects to those admit and rectify the issues raise as soonest the possible time....... wink.gif
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post Aug 19 2011, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(lowlowc @ Aug 18 2011, 10:17 PM)
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Thanks for clarifying. No wonder the reflection is so different from the acrylic I saw in another kc, bcos they're hi gloss not acrylic! Sien.. Still waiting for quotation from 2 kc.

Ikea selling their solid top (germany) at rm290 per ft run. This is about the same with lg brand, right?
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not into IKEA stuff so no comment on the solid top but as long as artificial top it's about the same but only the arcylic contents will be different from each others products. but above 240/ft run will consider higher range solid top and always comes with min 5-10 years limited warranty (read the meaning of LIMITED WARRANTY before buying) wink.gif
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Sep 9 2011, 07:55 AM)
just wanna confirm whether this is true...

I got a customer who originally bought a top mount sink but later changed to an undermount sink. The KC company want to charge her RM 500 to open the hole for granite if she wants to change to undermount sink, for top mount is free. Is this reasonable or there shouldnt b any extra charges?
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undermount Stainless Steel sink at most is RM100 only smile.gif, but urs situation is most likely include the solid surface double bowls sink and workmanship ..... so if this is the case then RM 500 is reasonable .... nod.gif nod.gif
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post Dec 26 2011, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Erny_Looi @ Dec 21 2011, 10:10 AM)
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That's concrete table top with 2x2 tiles. Black tiles easier to take care.  smile.gif


Added on December 21, 2011, 10:15 amLong time never take photo for wooden concept cabinet, let's share with you all~ cheers!

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Hey bro, when your turn to install the cabinet?
By the way thanks a lot for your support! We will try our best to serve you~ wish to see you soon, thanks and best regards.
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wow, so huge the KC. used wide lense really looks better smile.gif y not use spoiler to reduce the total space used?
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QUOTE(neveready @ Apr 10 2012, 11:18 AM)
I plan to do kitchen cabinet with wet+dry combined. L-shape 19x6 feet, hanging cabinet total 11 feet (exclude hood), a tall unit 8x2 feet.

If I choose granite top & glass door, how much roughly it will cost me? Thanks.
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below 14K is reasonable ...... but the wall units may not up to ceiling i assume ....
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QUOTE(Yunnie86 @ Apr 11 2012, 01:33 PM)
Yes. 9ft long base unit rm1800 solid wood cum blum softclose. Wall unit 9 ft long rm1170 solid wood cum blum soft close. Carcase solid wood all
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it's FREAKING CHEAP ...... pls check ur pricing accurate or not. are u manufacturer btw?


solid wood and solid board is totally different material (do you know it?) shakehead.gif
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post Apr 13 2012, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Apr 12 2012, 12:10 AM)
But... is not really look like "solid wood" hmm.gif
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the doors is arcylic but the internal carcass no idea cannot be seen

QUOTE(Yunnie86 @ Apr 12 2012, 12:37 AM)
i donno what is the wood call but not chipboard and seem like ply but not empty, is a laminate board waterproof
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laminated board, hard board, compressed board, melamine board = chips board (i did post something related in the past in this thread refer back if needed explanation)

QUOTE(Yunnie86 @ Apr 12 2012, 01:19 AM)
is tat expensive then chipboard ?
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yupp block board is more expensive than ur laminate board

QUOTE(wrb7878 @ Apr 12 2012, 09:43 AM)
I think maybe is high gloss paint or acrylic? i did ask few KC outsider, some quote cheaper than laminate and some quote higher a bit than laminate.....all talk diff material ...but this type easy to scratch.
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laminate or can be call formica to be precise, wood base or finished products of cabinet is not controlled price so which is higher which is lower is no issue at least for the materials concerns. Comp A doing Chipboard for the same size same materials charge u 10K for kitchen cabinet but comp B charge u only 6K, y? coz comp A cater for the upper market like (Sigxxxxre) Comp B can be ahemm (u name it) coz they put efforts to advertised their products (Magazine, papers, onlines, exibitions) they market their products at shopping malls so what is the different? the Cost of Sales is different.

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QUOTE(siauann @ Apr 12 2012, 08:42 AM)
hi all
im planning to do my kitchen cabinet soon. my new house is under construction. at this moment, the kitchen counter top is yet to construct. i need feedback from everyone here:-

1. I have get several carpenter to quote on the cabinet. Majority mention that since i have not construct the concrete top it is better for them to built the whole cabinet. If i have done the concrete top, it is limited for them to built the cabinet for friendly usage. How true is this?

2. What kitchen top is good?
i) those from developer concrete tiles top?
ii) granite/marble/quartz top?
iii) solid surface (sort of similar to granite but it is human made)?
iv) HPL worktop?

i need urgent feedback from everyone here before they start constructing my kitchen. thanks! smile.gif
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before that u need to know ur budget and your preference like durability or beauty?

if budget was not a concern:
-durability go for concrete top but forget about beauty, if combined two then go for concrete top + granite (the cost is HUGE shocking.gif )

nowadays lesser ppl go for HPL already, so called outdated liau lah ..... normal one also used solid surface. solid surface price can be vary from RM 90- RM 300pfr also got but need to be careful on this S/Surface coz the cheaper versions is imported from china one u knowlah hah .....too technical to tell but basically is low standards.

Granite depends on the type of stones, do have quality/grade also ..... ask relliable stone shops they can tell the different.

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QUOTE(Yunnie86 @ Apr 13 2012, 01:24 AM)
block board ! yes is block board
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even block board carcass with arcylic doors (from the photo) also FREAKING cheap mah RM200pfr for base RM130pfr for walls unit !!!! u got the FREAKING good deal lah ...... dun think too much loh ..... can seals the deals, NO JOKEs rclxms.gif

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wah the detective topic still going on one kah? time to move on for sharing is caring whistling.gif
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QUOTE(KaiCai @ Apr 13 2012, 01:46 PM)
Hi all,
My contractor advised to build a concrete floor with height around 3" as a base for KC. The purpose is to prevent the wood being spoiled when mopping the floor, etc. Btw, I m not building concrete top for the KC. It is advisable to do so?
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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Apr 13 2012, 02:33 PM)
It will depend on your usage. If you do your chopping (I mean chicken, etc) on top of the KC, then better to concrete top for the KC. Solid surface looks nice and also the joints are not visible. But not able to withstand heavy chopping, etc.
As for the 3" plinth at the base, do that if you are having a concrete top. Else if you are having solid surface, the KC supplier will be able to provide the necessary "water resistance board (non timber)" which also serves the same purpose against the dampness from mopping.
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the question is the base as for the kitchen cabinet to sit on it ......... even the answer is irrelevent as to the questions, but it's true for ur comments on concrete top vs S/surface nod.gif nod.gif
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QUOTE(neveready @ Apr 13 2012, 07:30 PM)
Thanks wrb7878 & cwhong for your feedback...

I've gone thru the reno journey of adrian, phoenix, weikee, it seems like they all build concrete kitchen top with tiles. Besides cheaper, is there any particular reason to choose tiles?
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ur tiles means concrete top with tiles? it's obviously more durable maybe as long as u no renovate the kitchen the concrete top will be the to serve u smile.gif it will save ur $$$ in the long run maybe u can retiles back without have to dismantle the concrete top..... only change tiles also can, u knowlah out of trend liau mah ..... nod.gif kids may not like it ..... u can even install granite on top of ur tiles if u feels is outdated already after few years ..... see? very flexible right?

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