that's the problem - selling off the vehicle in a short period the depreciation loss is high especially for Korean Cars.
I am aiming for this car as well but something is bothering me:

- Service would it be expensive ? It must be done by Authorize center. This is also to make sure the 3 year warranty still valid
- After sales service is it good, and warranty claim as well is it smooth ?? Current owner of Kia vehicle please enlighten us
- after Warranty period for any change of parts is there alot of OEM parts ?
- 2nd hand value (but this one doesn't concern me much, as once buy gonna use it for long 5 years above)
- reliability of Korean cars ... due to the history is still short and we can't really compare with other country as their car tenure is shorter compare to Malaysia, in other words cars are cheap to buy in other country (Euro, US .... ) can be easily change.

The reason above made me abit hesitate so far Korean car are doing well all around the world (US, Europe even singapore) they are increasing share market. FYI Toyota and Honda ori parts doesn't come cheap as well, what makes the maintenance cheap is the OEM parts which is available thought out the market, and there's alot of common parts so most Jap (Ring , seal, filter..... etc)

The Forte made me well because of:
- Design
- The price Tag (less than 70 k can get such a car comparable to Civic , Mazda3 , Altis !! where these cars still cost around 100k if fitted with a 1.6/5 engine)
- ANCAP 4 star rating (Waja only 3 star - after crash door cannot open)

forget about the fuel consumption thingy so far the comparison given by users it sounds okay (10-15 km/l -), don't la go compare with your SLK (small little kancil) or any other 1000/13000 cc cars > lighter smaller engine capacity

Oct .....

In my opinion if the stock for spectra is low they should launch Forte first, then give Spectra an unofficial discount this way they will get to boost sales figure up rather than wait.

what do you mean by retune?
probably can you provide the differences

Tired of waiting going for City Instead ... what the diff if I wait for City compare to this Forte which we gonna get a 2009 car and is laying around the warehouse for quite some time

Resell value actually more of a demand & supply story....

IF and only if this FORTE really did sell well , eventually NAZA stocks will run low they don't need to slash discount just to clear old stock. Then slowly the value will have a better position.

IF the out come is buyer are still in favor of other brands, but Naza have stock up because they need to meet Annual Order from Kia, just to keep his dealership on contract. Then when warehouse quite pack d they will just throw price.....

The only chance I see Honda & Toyota will throw price is when they launch a new model I wouldn't say throw but was quite a big discount, I was offer the old city with up to 5k discount when the new one was launched.

When there's more of a typical model on the road eventually there will be ppl bring in more parts, bigger quantity cheaper price ......

Do you know for a 2nd hand Merc is easier to maintain compare to BMW ? because the numbers of Merc on the road and the year of dominance of market in that category. Well this info was given by Seniors who like to purchase or trade 2nd hand car..... either way a 2nd hand Merc is quite worthwhile to buy because of the body built, engine, and 2nd hand depreciation % is lower for car which are pre-owned compare to fresh new ..... but you must be able to maintain it.

I think I took it too far lets come back to KIA FORTE !!!
I really do look forward for this but currently I am having a Forte vs City thingy going on, very much the decision will be made after the AFTA announcement, with condition of getting a 2010 car by 1st quarter 2010.

Most ppl are guessing that Naza will Launch it after AFTA, with a firm price segment but be caution as insider news are out saying that new buyer might be having a car which is manufactured / delivered to Malaysia on the 1st or 2nd quarter 2009.

at this price ..... hrmmm not very attractive , test drive to determine would be best .... push button - useful meh ?
as burger lim said shiftronic on 4 gears ->apa la !!
btw is there manual transmission being offered ?

The reason why Malaysian staying away from Kia is very much because the after sales support is not up to par

How come they say is a B-segment car ? want to fight a diff market ?
both Bernama & Cosmo reported the same
Bername - http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=446696

Cosmo - http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?...ra&pg=ne_11.htm

It gonna be NAZA Force ? Naza badge wei ..... how come the tag is around 82 k ?!

This post has been edited by titarium: Oct 14 2009, 09:38 AM

probably because engine size 1.6 so put to b segment ?

2.0 then put to a c-segment ?

Well to be honest I am in between City vs Forte

Forte Pro:
Price Cheaper > but at the rumor 82k I don't think it is attractive
Higher Segment
better Spec

Naza Force/Forte Cons:
Customer sales satisfaction is below Industrial average for sales & after sales -
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles...2082/page_m.asp
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles...2043/page_m.asp
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles...cle_1039/c1.JPG

Parts are uncommon


*Jimmy it is only 4 Star and it is tested on a 6 air-bag vehicle - Honda City have the G-Con technology going against it in the end both are only 2 air-bags


My personnel opinion to over come such a big CONS it must have a attractive price tag to attract buyer like me to go, going for a forte/naza force is like a gamble for me alot of doubts, if the risks (value) is too high there goes my risk assessment, If Naza doesn't place a good price tag on this alot of ppl will still go back to the common brand Toyota, Honda or Nissan - just for a piece of mind, even by paying 5-10k more.

Naza still not to par in many aspect , but they are improving just that is it improving enough ?

Customer sales satisfaction is below Industrial average for sales & after sales -
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles...2082/page_m.asp
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles...2043/page_m.asp
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles...cle_1039/c1.JPG

Guy do you remember last time back in those olden days the famous cars are like Datsun , Nissan Sunny, Ford Focus, Old Corolla ..... Honda wasn't in most ppl mind yet .....

Currently brand reputation play a major role in their car price , how they got their reputation is very much because of Product , Pre-sales, Sales , After sales service, proven reliability in the long run ....

In this case Kia/Naza got a very good product here, just that things like Pre-sales, sales especially after sales service overall isn't up to T&H level

Proven reliability still not having a very good record things like FC high (engine technology), Expensive spare parts (due to insufficient demand) .
So there's alot of factor to look into , in general we can say Kia Forte/Naza Force spec higher than City/Vios so is a good buy, anyone complain are just H&T fan (thou there is). But look into it deeper there's so much to prove right here to position this product at a right price so it could bring themselves close enough to fight H&T.

This round Naza/Kia is spot on for the product , next is more of their pre-sales>sales>post sales to bring on the foot-step, if their strategy is successful don't be amaze the next coming model or face lift can easily price more than 100k for 2.0, but this round if one portion fail such as post sales (service lousy, hard to find SC etc) or long term reliability lousy then we will see another round of price throwing like Spectra 5.

Comparing P1 & P2 why , MyVi most of the time outsell Saga thou I personally prefer Saga better due to Boot space and the driving experience is better as well, MyVi is more to a convenient Kei Car.... the reason here is simple both product is good, proton lost out because presales (my friend just change a SC because that idiot drag his 5k voucher close to 2 months), post sales & brand reliability(when Myvi was launch my family got a Myvi and a Waja around the same time, thou waja is a higher CC car better build but it has so many its y bits y problem eg. front drawer can't close properly need to bang it in - such a simple thing also can go wrong) ...

So back to Kia/Naza's story again ..... we must see with the current reputation Naza/Kia must really position it well to a wanted sales target, with the rumor price I think the buyer percentage drop quiet alot (they rather not pay so much to risk the reliability part), while when it is rumor at 65k the buying percentage is higher (they are prepare to pay cause the risk is lower) .... so guys I think I babel too much again

1.6 vs 2.0

Pro:
Cheaper Road Tax
Cheaper Insurance
Lesser Fuel consumption
Higher maintenance cost in the long run

Cons:
lesser safety feature (6 air bags which can't be install later)
lesser HP
Gamma Engine compare to Theta II engine

so is the additional 5-8k worth it ? hrmmm anymore to add ?

I am concern about Forte 2.0 ..... with the announcement of new petrol Mycard program would it be a disadvantage for 2.0 cars in the long run , is it under luxury or large CC segment where the subsidy is lesser ?

Considering City vs Forte 2.0(if and only if the price is around 90k)

yerp spec wise definitely Forte win , but reliability still Honda having a better score.
So what I have in mind is City E-spec is the minimum anything extra are bonus more bonus at the same price then this is what I call attraction. Down to earth both is a 4 wheel vehicle with standard safety feature price around 90k rite?

I am worried about long run maintenance cost, 1.5 vs 2.0 definitely we know 1.5 is much cheaper (eg. road tax, fuel consumption... blah blah blah), if and only if the Mycard thingy implemented like the credit card RM 50 charge for all cards, (you know lar nowdays abit siao in the implementation) then is like 2.0 above all lesser subsidy then is another big minus point again to get a 2.0 car - well I am speculating nothing is solid regarding this, but this is a unwanted extra expenses.

C lar just announce no more 2nd parts important starting from 2011.... sigh

back to basic demand high price also high , demand low to sell price sure need to lower lor ...

demand low cannot supply too much else warehouse explode then throw price again hahaha ....

so demand and supply thingy again ...... this time naza have a nice product they better do a good job on sales, after sales and good service else we will see demand drop ......

btw through this thread looks hot ... but only those few ppl are posting ... so Naza = better do your homework yah not many are convince yet your potential is still floating not lock to a certain solid percentage

Bingo about the nanyang news ... seems like my guts gave me that feeling !

Hyundai Avante Free 3 years service ! Oil , Filter & workmanship all inclusive

went in to the show room at Jln 223 , it seems like this offer valid only for this model and reg of this car from now till March next year !

Elantra is currently having free service for 3 years !!

which include oil , filter, workmanship .. can say everything that normal service will incur is in !

if there's a bulk order let me know as well