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BENQ PERFORMANCE THREAD ( S41/42/57 ), V5 , IS REPORTING IN ~
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bobiac
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Apr 27 2009, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(HL Milk @ Apr 27 2009, 01:20 AM) The market need competition, you can see Intel have the highest priced processor because AMD does not have the strength to provide the highest end processor. Just like so many years ago, we pay a very high price for Pentium 3. but years later even amd is cheap its still more powerfull than intel. astria izzit correct? before the dual core generation.
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astria
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Apr 27 2009, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(weiyap_tan @ Apr 27 2009, 01:19 AM) that's the prob told by my lecturer. he say there is not 100% certain choice yet...so he say have to depend on our luck also, hopefully by the time i finish my master 5 years from now, the economy cycle will turn to the top again Memory makers have been making losses for the past 18 quarters... long before the current credit crunch sets in... not to scare u... but yeah, that's reality
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HL Milk
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Apr 27 2009, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(weiyap_tan @ Apr 27 2009, 01:19 AM) that's the prob told by my lecturer. he say there is not 100% certain choice yet...so he say have to depend on our luck also, hopefully by the time i finish my master 5 years from now, the economy cycle will turn to the top again Usually is a 10 year cycle, so you should be safe at that time. But this time the economic down turn has change the way consumer spending the money.
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astria
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Apr 27 2009, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(bobiac @ Apr 27 2009, 01:21 AM) but years later even amd is cheap its still more powerfull than intel. astria izzit correct? before the dual core generation. oh, u mean Athlon64??? yeah, that was a nice game from AMD... but think another way, without Athlon64, we might not ve Core 2, and at such prices... and that prompted AMD to make Phenom and perfect it to Phenom II... so yeah, competition is good...
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bobiac
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Apr 27 2009, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(HL Milk @ Apr 27 2009, 01:21 AM) Usually is a 10 year cycle, so you should be safe at that time. But this time the economic down turn has change the way consumer spending the money. yeap usually a 10 year cycle lol.
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weiyap_tan
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Apr 27 2009, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:21 AM) Memory makers have been making losses for the past 18 quarters... long before the current credit crunch sets in... not to scare u... but yeah, that's reality my gosh....maybe i have to make a change in the world...poison even more ppl to change the world? hahaha Added on April 27, 2009, 1:24 amQUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:23 AM) oh, u mean Athlon64??? yeah, that was a nice game from AMD... but think another way, without Athlon64, we might not ve Core 2, and at such prices... and that prompted AMD to make Phenom and perfect it to Phenom II... so yeah, competition is good... they actually came out with very nice stuff, just need some time to build up their reputation again This post has been edited by weiyap_tan: Apr 27 2009, 01:24 AM
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bobiac
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Apr 27 2009, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:23 AM) oh, u mean Athlon64??? yeah, that was a nice game from AMD... but think another way, without Athlon64, we might not ve Core 2, and at such prices... and that prompted AMD to make Phenom and perfect it to Phenom II... so yeah, competition is good... yeap. i still have one piece here. memories. 1st time i can beat intel lol.
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HL Milk
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Apr 27 2009, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(bobiac @ Apr 27 2009, 01:21 AM) but years later even amd is cheap its still more powerfull than intel. astria izzit correct? before the dual core generation. If the market left AMD, it is not a healthy sign. You can see in Malaysia, a lot of monopoly don't yield competitiveness of the company. If the graphic market left Intel only, we gonna get crappy word capable gpu. If Nvidia is the only gpu maker, we will not get 9800GTX+ priced at current market price. AMD and ATI creating competitive market that benefit the consumer.
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astria
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Apr 27 2009, 01:26 AM
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for AMD's cse it's sort of viscious cycle...
CPU not appealing, less demand
less demand, lower price to stimulate it
lower prices = less profit
less profit = less money for R&D
less R&D = not so good CPU
so yeah..
till now they still having quite a lot of debt...
hopefully once The Foundry is setup, things will get better for them...
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bobiac
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Apr 27 2009, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE(HL Milk @ Apr 27 2009, 01:26 AM) If the market left AMD, it is not a healthy sign. You can see in Malaysia, a lot of monopoly don't yield competitiveness of the company. If the graphic market left Intel only, we gonna get crappy word capable gpu. If Nvidia is the only gpu maker, we will not get 9800GTX+ priced at current market price. AMD and ATI creating competitive market that benefit the consumer. yeap. if there is no competition i think the price will be crazy. even p4 is rm 3k T.T
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astria
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Apr 27 2009, 01:28 AM
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actually, if Intel really want to kill AMD, it's very easy...
they juz need to tear the contract that authorizes AMD to make x86 CPU...
but of course, they "can't" do that becuz of all the anti-monopoly laws...
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weiyap_tan
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Apr 27 2009, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:26 AM) for AMD's cse it's sort of viscious cycle... CPU not appealing, less demand less demand, lower price to stimulate it lower prices = less profit less profit = less money for R&D less R&D = not so good CPU so yeah.. till now they still having quite a lot of debt... hopefully once The Foundry is setup, things will get better for them... haha, this will depends on how the company manage their capital di,
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HL Milk
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Apr 27 2009, 01:29 AM
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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:26 AM) for AMD's cse it's sort of viscious cycle... CPU not appealing, less demand less demand, lower price to stimulate it lower prices = less profit less profit = less money for R&D less R&D = not so good CPU so yeah.. till now they still having quite a lot of debt... hopefully once The Foundry is setup, things will get better for them... At least AMD lose less amount compare to the last quarter, hope they can turn profit this year. Then Intel will start waking up.
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weiyap_tan
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Apr 27 2009, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:28 AM) actually, if Intel really want to kill AMD, it's very easy... they juz need to tear the contract that authorizes AMD to make x86 CPU... but of course, they "can't" do that becuz of all the anti-monopoly laws... yes, this lawis very useful, at least can protect customers from being manipulated by those big company. If not, we won't have linux and mac OS now
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astria
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Apr 27 2009, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(weiyap_tan @ Apr 27 2009, 01:28 AM) haha, this will depends on how the company manage their capital di, for AMD, it's mainly becuz of the K10 CPU (aka Phenom I) delayed again and again... by the time it hit market, C2D was already everywhere... Added on April 27, 2009, 1:31 amQUOTE(HL Milk @ Apr 27 2009, 01:29 AM) At least AMD lose less amount compare to the last quarter, hope they can turn profit this year. Then Intel will start waking up. Intel is not slow la... the upcoming Lynnfield is pretty promising... especially the Turbo Boost technique, can oc quite a lot leh... This post has been edited by astria: Apr 27 2009, 01:31 AM
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weiyap_tan
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Apr 27 2009, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:30 AM) for AMD, it's mainly becuz of the K10 CPU (aka Phenom I) delayed again and again... by the time it hit market, C2D was already everywhere... hmmm, nvm, they still have chance to come out with some brilliant idea
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HL Milk
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Apr 27 2009, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE(weiyap_tan @ Apr 27 2009, 01:30 AM) yes, this lawis very useful, at least can protect customers from being manipulated by those big company. If not, we won't have linux and mac OS now They cannot tear that agreement, since the current x64 is from AMD own creation, Intel will lose all the 64bit processor, AMD cannot make any x86 base processor. The processor market will collapse. Therefore, definitely the government will come in and stop such dispute.
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astria
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Apr 27 2009, 01:33 AM
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QUOTE(weiyap_tan @ Apr 27 2009, 01:31 AM) hmmm, nvm, they still have chance to come out with some brilliant idea they will need to bank on Phenom II... at least it can attract overclckers... the new Phenom II x4 955BE reportedly can hit 7GHz on liquid nitrogen... Added on April 27, 2009, 1:34 amQUOTE(HL Milk @ Apr 27 2009, 01:32 AM) They cannot tear that agreement, since the current x64 is from AMD own creation, Intel will lose all the 64bit processor, AMD cannot make any x86 base processor. The processor market will collapse. Therefore, definitely the government will come in and stop such dispute. i think more like catastrophic... considering all desktops and laptops are using x86 CPU... This post has been edited by astria: Apr 27 2009, 01:34 AM
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weiyap_tan
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Apr 27 2009, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:33 AM) they will need to bank on Phenom II... at least it can attract overclckers... the new Phenom II x4 955BE reportedly can hit 7GHz on liquid nitrogen... liquid nitrogen? -170C...wah...how r we going to put that in our house....hmm, if they can make it into laptop gpu, then outting in even more hardcore gpu is not going to be a prob
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HL Milk
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Apr 27 2009, 01:35 AM
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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 27 2009, 01:33 AM) they will need to bank on Phenom II... at least it can attract overclckers... the new Phenom II x4 955BE reportedly can hit 7GHz on liquid nitrogen... Overclocker is a small market, but their platform provide upgrade path for current AM2+ user is a plus. Not like Intel tick-tock model, you have to change everything.
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