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TSmofonyx
post Apr 14 2009, 03:51 AM, updated 17y ago

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So I thought I'd post a thread about what I've been reading about.

Cardio is good for you, bulking or cutting.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/satter2.htm

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So to bring this to a close, doing cardio during a "bulking" phase to stay lean or lose some extra fat will only magnify your efforts in the gym. Cardio increases your ability to store glycogen with less carbs and calories, it conditions our body to suppers catabolic hormones for longer periods of time and it not only sets the muscle building stage buy producing an abundance of anabolic hormone, but it keeps
the process going at a high rate 24/7.


Extra reading from the same author : http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/satter3.htm

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Alan Aragon on HIIT, LISS and fed vs fasted cardio: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=747976

In summary, fasted cardio is a bad idea.

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• At low intensities (25-50% VO2 max), carbs during exercise reduce fat oxidation compared to fasted trainees.
• At moderate intensities (63-68% VO2 max) carbs during exercise may reduce fat oxidation in untrained subjects, but do not reduce fat oxidation in trained subjects for at least the first 80-120 minutes of exercise.
• Carbohydrate during exercise spares liver glycogen, which is among the most critical factors for anticatabolism during hypocaloric & other conditions of metabolic stress. This protective hepatic effect is absent in fasted cardio.
• At the established intensity level of peak fat oxidation (~63% VO2 max), carbohydrate increases performance without any suppression of fat oxidation in trained subjects.


LISS or HIIT? Doesn't matter. As long as you're doing it. Personally I'd pick HIIT.

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If you're pressed for time, and you can do HIIT without any delayed onset muscle soreness overlap (by virtue of doing a low frequency of HIIT), and you can tolerate it joint-wise & heart-wise, and you hate spending time doing cardio to begin with, then do HIIT. On the other hand, if you have the time to allot for low-intensity steady state (LISS), and you do a particularly high volume & magnitude of resistance training which raises potential recovery conflicts posed by a high frequency of HIIT, then do LISS. If you're somewhere in between the aforementioned 2 camps and you don't have a specific preference or tolerance limit, do both types on either a cyclical, rotational, or even combined basis. Also, it can't be overstated that unless you undergo a very gradual progression towards the the musculoskeletal tolerance for something like sprinting, you can get hurt pretty bad & there goes your productive training for several weeks.


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Great thread with many good responses by Layne Norton about fed-state cardio, pyramiding cardio here: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=99420

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Roundtable about Cardio in general : http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...rdio_roundtable

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To sum it up: Do your cardio. It doesn't matter if you prefer LISS or HIIT. What matters is that you're willing to do it. It's not gonna work if you hate what you do. Feed yourself before going. It's like any other workout.

Feel free to comment if you disagree. smile.gif

This post has been edited by mofonyx: Apr 14 2009, 05:54 PM
TSmofonyx
post Apr 14 2009, 05:12 PM

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Jeez, fuzzy morning.

Anyway, you shouldn't do HIIT on lifting days.

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post Apr 14 2009, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(tineagle @ Apr 14 2009, 06:11 PM)
Why is that so?
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It's generally _not_ recommended to do HIIT on the same day as the lift. You can find this info on the thread.

Why is this so? Well using common sense, HIIT is a workout on it's own. It's very strenous and taxing on the body. So are your lifts. If you perform HIIT before your lift you would deplete all your energy and have none left for the lift. Which can be potentially damaging (muscle wise and form wise). This is a deduction coming from the requirement of feeding your HIIT like any other workout. A pre/post-workout shake with HIIT ensures that you're not shredding away muscle when really what you want to get rid of is the fat, + all that hormonal benefit.

Doing HIIT post-workout, one can only imagine how that would be after a hard day of squatting it out! You'd probably be a bit catabolic by then. You would require pre-workout nutrition is so great (hard to imagine) that it can sustain a day of heavy squats following that, HIIT! Having a HIIT session post-lifting would be akin to doing HIIT fasted state, which is bad. There are people that suggest taking a shake after workouts to supplement the post-workout HIIT. But after that, another shake to feed HIIT? Sounds a bit over the top to me.

So that's my opinion on the matter. If you feel that you're benefiting doing HIIT on your lifting days then go ahead. You know what's best for your body. However, I strongly suggest otherwise.

This post has been edited by mofonyx: Apr 14 2009, 06:49 PM

 

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