I dont want to sound offensive but telling 10Mbps with the overabused "best-effort basis" while on the reality its only 1/10th of the actual promotion is a blatant lie. Its like im selling you a 100 blank dvdrs for a 20 buck and say "hey there's a few of it is unreadable" while actually only 10 can be used.

i also believe that P1 have room for improvement but starting with a lie will never work out. Remember, the customer here in Malaysia have a loong history of being fvcked by ISP and starting a business by screwing them over is a straight no-no. If they are promoting by even using 2mb - 3 (pick any number before reaching 10) and still be able to deliver then it makes us the customer happy. But by parading 10Mbps at a pc fair? damn.

Heh tell the last line at ts and i think you'll get punched. if we wait and no need to pay ok lar. Yeah tell that to those who subscribed during the pc-fair also too. I am willing to bet that you'll get "P1"-ed too.

IMHO this whole hoopla are started from management. This cluster fvck starts from high up in the management so high that they actually need a miracle to fix it.

I thinks here's hows their meeting goes.

Managment team : we need more capital in order to cover wider area (translation : moar moolah for ussss)

Sales team : sure. lets say we can provide 50MBps for anyone and we'll look like a champion of ISP.

Techincal team : Wtf. that's crazy. you do know we're already overselling as it is already. Promoting that kind of shits is a lawsuit in the making.

* silent from the management and sales team.

Management team : Look, you either one of us or gtfo-ed gg from here.

Techincal team : sigh sure. Tone it down to 10Mbps and dont fvcking forget to put the "best-effort basis". We are training monkeys downstairs just to say that and hang up the phone.


I kid you not.

This post has been edited by Uzumaki NaruTo: Apr 12 2009, 12:45 AM

Thats their main problem. But its a sad thing to see that you're fighting this fight alone. Lowyat's "Tech Enthusiasts" has downgraded to bunch of mob mentality ; blog whores who blindly praising to high heaven waiting for swag and promotions to be shoved down their throat. We need more people like to you in this community because our level of tech awareness are different from the regular joe-s.

Allowing the company to screw you and the customers just for the sake of goodies and even to protect their misleading adverts are the new kind low for lowyat.I really thought that lowyatians are a bunch of neutral geeks how fight for a good fight and protect each other. Black is black and white is white. But then again this is Malaysia, where the mobs and "TAK APA LAH" mentality flourish.

True but as TS noted before do we have to go to such length as to camp near the towers just for the sake to get the advertised speed? This whole hoopla started when they need to get more income and thus the number 10 comes in play. Why not put 3? If they can deliver at that kind of speed the customers are already happy with it.

Its the corporation greed that moves the number from 3 to 10. Any regular joe-s will definitely flock to that kind of misleading advertisement and few days later found out that they has been screwed royally.

Thats another thing. If you follow TS's gripe is the window to return back are limited to 7 days. If they are extending the return back policy up to 2 month and with rebates when they fail to deliver on "the best effort basis" i am pretty sure ts will awaits happily.

So in the end they will never get the "real" feedback and those who come to the event are just probably a bunch blogger who has been praising them and automatically become a catalyst for more misleading customers by so called reviews/events specials entries. To sum it up, the whole event of getting feedback of performance has become nothing more than swags shoving,back petting,huha event.

So in the end this is how i can see the next P1's advertistment.

Fastest. Wireless. 10Mbps next to the towers
1. You must have a terminal that is capable of going up to 10Mbps as the network is fixed but this is the variable. Checked as tech specs say 30Mbps (with MIMO).
2. You have to have strong signal (RSSI) so that the air interface can use higher modulation such as 64QAM. This can be done by being near to the tower. My personal experience tells me you have to be within 200m with the tower and there's line-of-sight (LOS).
3. You must also have low interference (CINR). This cannot be controlled solely by you. Interference comes from all angles, it would take me too long to explain all of them and how to solve them.
4. The base station that is serving you is not loaded. Typical WiMAX base station can support 45Mbps (even Clearwire, US is giving this figure). This 45Mbps should not be confused with "are you saying that only if 4 person is using the base station then only I can get 10Mbps?". There are calculations to determine how many actual subs can enjoy 10Mbps depending on over-subscription/over-booking/contention ratio. Complex calculation aside, I would say about with 100 subscriber (active+idle) using it the same time, 10Mbps is achievable.
5. The backhaul needs to have sufficient capacity. P1 have to make sure that they have sufficient backhaul to satisfy the data hungry WiMAX access.
6. 10Mbps from where is a big issue. There can be more than 15 hops before you reach your source. Any hops that cannot satisfy your 10Mbps requirement will be a bottleneck.This is not P1's fault.
If your environment can satisfy 1 to 6, then you can enjoy your 10Mbps.


Sigh we already know that the signal strength goes weaker as it is bugged with inteference / physical limitation but why oh why people still want to say "hey its ok to put 10Mbps as long as you're camping under the tower"

String, I'll bring extra marshmallow and we all can camp under the P1 tower.

Meh,even if i start a new thread on how marketing works (in relation with P1) any sensible admin/staffs/mods will definitely merge with this one since it is about marketing and advertisement.

Well its good that the P1 staff are monitoring the threads here. At least it'll teach them on how to do a proper,ethical marketing strategy.