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aurora97
post Apr 9 2009, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 9 2009, 05:08 PM)
Imaging if all banks  ask you for a copy of income tax form before accepting FD deposits.

6  months down the road, there would be a bank crisis.

More right issues on the way.

Saying is easy, no doubt.
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errmm u referring to my comments or something else?

QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 05:15 PM)
We can open a topic debate on this. It is a long long arguement/discussion, no doubt about it.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Got smoke surely got fire, but need to pin-point the fire site (prove) before fire-fighter can go to rescue/tackle.  tongue.gif
Got smoke then straight away phone to fire department but no actual site given, then you will be accused of reporting fraud.  biggrin.gif

As said by SKY, look simple, but doing it time, not that simple.

We should back to stock market chit chat then. OT too much.
Cheers.  smile.gif
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for the record, there is no offence for any BaNK in Malaysia to report any Money Laundering Activity (regardless whetehr suspected or atempt) if reported to BNM FIC unit.

So like i emphasize before, the mechanism is there just that Banks r reluctant to cooperate for fear their precious customers may get hauled up.

Simple examples of KYC..

An office clerk whose monthly income is only RM 2500, can buy shares in a company worth millions.

Basically Money Laundering provisions captures anyone who is potentially living beyond ones means, furthermore the question is the where the source of the money is coming from can easily prove ones guilt or innocence.

Believe me if one person is charged for anti Money laundering provision, that person is in a world of hurt.

Like the recent "snatch theft" who wasnt recently convicted under the anti money laundering provision.

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This post has been edited by aurora97: Apr 9 2009, 05:28 PM
SKY 1809
post Apr 9 2009, 05:22 PM

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The law cannot apply differently to diff color of people.

otherwise it would become unjust.

Some bodies would be on top of the laws.
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post Apr 9 2009, 05:24 PM

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anyone has any thoughts on Palm OIL actually quite dumb founded, i actually thought it was going to head south... it seems day by day its gaining ground and getting stronger, what i fear most is the possibility of hitting the 3K mark.

think i will pick up some IJMP and HSP stocks just to be extra sure and avg down if need be.
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post Apr 9 2009, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 05:15 PM)
We can open a topic debate on this. It is a long long arguement/discussion, no doubt about it.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Got smoke surely got fire, but need to pin-point the fire site (prove) before fire-fighter can go to rescue/tackle.  tongue.gif
Got smoke then straight away phone to fire department but no actual site given, then you will be accused of reporting fraud.  biggrin.gif

As said by SKY, look simple, but doing it time, not that simple.

We should back to stock market chit chat then. OT too much.
Cheers.  smile.gif
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Looks like I sparked some fire on this shocking.gif
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post Apr 9 2009, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 9 2009, 05:22 PM)
The law cannot apply differently to diff color of people.

otherwise it would become unjust.

Some bodies would be on top of the laws.
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Sorry Cherroy but i think Anti Money laundering provisions needs some further explanation.. since its after market hours, i think you can let it slide abit.

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Anti Money Laws are designed specifically to target those people whom are creative enough to use any means possible to cover their criminal activities, in my own personal opinion I feel that to some extent it may be draconian but it is necessary evil.

(Same like ISA, but this is on a Civil level)

Even though the provisions are there, like i said again and again the Banks (including mine) isnt doing enough or closing a blind eye on things.




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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 9 2009, 05:16 PM)
errmm u referring to my comments or something else?
for the record, there is no offence for any BaNK in Malaysia to report any Money Laundering Activity (regardless whetehr suspected or atempt) if reported to BNM FIC unit.

So like i emphasize before, the mechanism is there just that Banks r reluctant to cooperate for fear their precious customers may get hauled up.

Simple examples of KYC..

An office clerk whose monthly income is only RM 2500, can buy shares in a company worth millions.

Basically Money Laundering provisions captures anyone who is potentially living beyond ones means, furthermore the question is the where the source of the money is coming from can easily prove ones guilt or innocence.

Believe me if one person is charged for anti Money laundering provision, that person is in a world of hurt.

Like the recent "snatch theft" who wasnt recently convicted under the anti money laundering provision.

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Anti Money Laundering Act 2001

Protection of informers and information
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Maybe office clerk strike Toto rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Apr 9 2009, 05:32 PM)
Maybe office clerk strike Toto  rclxms.gif
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obviously u can produce some sort of receipt and Toto won't be that so careless as not to record your details before letting you off with the winnings...

Anti Money Laundering a necessary evil because...

If authorities are slow to act or the criminal gets wind of authorities taking action imagine the PDRM Commercial Unit taking action, they are not only over-worked but the backlog is horrendous, the money could be half way around the world by than.

You'd be suprised the Investigating Officer normally comes from BNM and SC, they are quick nimble enough to counter launderer's moves but sometimes maybe draconian.
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ISA is created for the opposition.

I think ONLY one BN went into the jail under ISA in the history.

Why BN is losing if no one breaks the law ?

The people looked stupid in the eye of the Law, supporting those are breaking the law ?


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 9 2009, 05:39 PM)
ISA is created for the opposition.

I think ONLY one BN went into the jail under ISA in the history.

Why BN is losing if no one breaks the law ?

The people looked stupid in the eye of the Law, supporting those are breaking the law ?
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chill brother, i don't like it as much as you do what is going on behind the wayang kulit and all...

than again some ppl have to cari makan and all, close one eye and they get through life without any problems especially from their superior...



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let's get back on track with our fishy gathering
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European market is still green but awaiting for BOE.

DJIA future also green: 7,845.00 52.00
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post Apr 9 2009, 08:12 PM

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More unexpected changes likely in the coming months.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...62&sec=business


This stock Johan from 0.145 - 12 mac 09 today price
is 0.31 .. More than 100%++ jump price in less than 1 mth.. shocking.gif
Later in few mths time.. dunno how la.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/marketwatch/char...297264&p9=0.812

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As always, Mr Cherroy's posts are very insightful.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 9 2009, 05:32 PM)
Even though the provisions are there, like i said again and again the Banks (including mine) isnt doing enough or closing a blind eye on things.
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Banks has no obligation to report any million of deposit that putting in. Also they can't prejudice on it, someone bring a few million in to deposit, bank can't straight away know and suspect it is "black/dirty money", right? wink.gif what if the person is really rich one through legitimate way?

If we are talking about small community in a small village, possible as you know who is rich or doing busineses or really rich one by doing legitimate in a small community.
But now we are in million of people in KL city area. How do you know he/she is not rich or those money is not obtained through legitimate way. We don't know and having a clue on any stranger come to the bank to deposit or doing financial transaction.

Banks are just doing business, they are not authority, banks will cooperate to reveal if there is an evidence and requested by the authority. If not, they can't do much about it.
It is the job of authority to tackle it through proper set of law, rules and regulation, and action.

Also bare in mind, it is a breach of privacy if banks blatantly exposed customer deposit or banking activities.

No doubt and agree money laundering is a serious issue which need to be tackled. But it is not easy task to tackle, financial tools become more and more complex days by days.

Even ponzi scheme is rampant with internet age which ponzi scheme is run on full daylight and openly, but still it is hard to tackle. Not to mention the money laundering issue which often being done more profession way than ponzi scheme.

Cheers. smile.gif

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QUOTE(exia5733 @ Apr 9 2009, 08:17 PM)
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As always, Mr Cherroy's posts are very insightful.
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this tai-kor deserves his post as a moderator wub.gif
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Dow future 7,913.00 +120.00, veli green keep up !!

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QUOTE(Junior83 @ Apr 9 2009, 08:38 PM)
Dow future  7,913.00 +120.00, veli green keep up !!
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Last trading day for Wall Street this week, and tonight the numbers are very good for US Wells Fargo bank.
They reported unexpected rise in earnings (almost double), therefore pushing all the banks/financial stock higher.
Wells Fargo (ticker:WFC) is up 32% pre-market. biggrin.gif

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US market is in good mood for Easter holiday coming out.

Well Fargo said will be reporting 3 billion of profit, boost the market.

But there are some negativity news in between also especially stress test on banks if found they need more bail out money can be a huge negativity factor. But the stress test will only be concluded end of this month.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 09:33 PM)
US market is in good mood for Easter holiday coming out.

Well Fargo said will be reporting 3 billion of profit, boost the market.

But there are some negativity news in between also especially stress test on banks if found they need more bail out money can be a huge negativity factor. But the stress test will only be concluded end of this month.
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Is the crisis bottoming out ? If reported earnings are higher than expected, is it real or just more stimulus money doing their thing and creating smoke screen of economic health hmm.gif

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Any1 bought shares today when price retreat abit ? hmm.gif

Tomorrow maybe can make another round of profits. laugh.gif

Damn.. those high beta risk counter stocks went up alot...

icon_rolleyes.gif Cheers, icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 09:33 PM)
US market is in good mood for Easter holiday coming out.

Well Fargo said will be reporting 3 billion of profit, boost the market.

But there are some negativity news in between also especially stress test on banks if found they need more bail out money can be a huge negativity factor. But the stress test will only be concluded end of this month.
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