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 Ayn Rand sucks ass, Do not read Atlas Shrugged!

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Kidicarus
post Apr 29 2009, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(ahjames @ Apr 28 2009, 09:57 AM)
I'm curiose that someone who can come up with the line above is incapable of a better Topic Title than "Ayn Rand sucks ass".
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Because he didn't... google is amazing and:

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In the book, there is a certain irony in Ayn Rand's philosophy in that she held "reason", which she defined roughly as "an objective view of reality," as the ultimate goal of life, and yet psychological studies prove time and again that people, when viewed objectively and scientifically, are fundamentally irrational. Animal training, conditioning with rewards and punishments, is a far more accurate model and effective guide to molding human behavior than any of her nonsense.

Rather than providing a guide for improvement, Rand's philosophy has served mostly as (ironically) a rationalization for discrimination ("if they're poor it's their own fault", "black people are incapable of the same kind of civilized reason that white people are", "women can't be trusted with anything important because they're too emotional", etc.), and consequently a blinder to the inadequacies of capitalism and free markets that arise from humanity's basically impulse-driven nature.

In conclusion, Ayn Rand is a nothing more than just a proto-NeoConservative who thinks that human superiority is above charity. You suck, Ayn Rand.


is from http://digg.com/celebrity/A_1964_Interview...layboy_Magazine

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I can agree that Rand's novels are terrible by the traditional standards of literature. I can also agree that as a philosophy, Objectivism isn't terribly sound either. (Going into further depth on either of these points would require more energy than I'm willing to muster at the moment.)


I'll help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

why explain when you can link tongue.gif

edit: tbh this objectivism sounds an awful lot like mazlow's hierarchy of needs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs


This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Apr 29 2009, 04:10 PM
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post Apr 29 2009, 05:24 PM

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I have no idea what you mean by traditional morality. I too consider myself a libertarian but i tend to subscribe to an undeveloped form of liberty as espoused by Mills, although I would say that there is a place for utilitarian values in an ethics model.

The reason i linked the Mazlow chart, which you see in just about every management 101 book out there, is your reference to enlightened self-interest which appears to be on the top tier pyramid. Objectivism cannot work as an everyman philosophy simply because not everyone is capable or has met his lower needs.

Marxism was attractive because it gave something to the proleteriat.

Anyway, the reason i posted above wasn't to contribute to this debate. I merely wanted to highlight the act of forum post plagiarism which i was quite chuffed at having discovered.
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post May 6 2009, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(lovely_named @ May 5 2009, 01:46 PM)
Oh, you guys have fell for this western media parrot.

He basically views anything from the west as superior and parrots it as his own. He's everything non mainstream.

http://digg.com/celebrity/A_1964_Interview...layboy_Magazine

Search for halcyonic. I doubt it's him, his history has a lot of "Oh, Jesus Christ."
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Sorry, already posted above that he copied his opinion/forum post from that link in post 9 above. At least it has resulted in a few paragraphs of pseudo intellectual discourse.

While what he did was lame, posting in these forums just to attack him as a pro-west parrot is even lamer.

 

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